Lurker > ctesjbuvf

I firmly believe this is good for the game either way, the 100% town confirmation would also be really great and I get removed as a mislynch option.

But I believe Blade is trying to get my shot away from him by saying he would do something he knows I would disagree heavily with, going after Ulti. Blade should know Ulti is town at this point, it doesn't make sense with how he caught Ben on a night like that, even with a role scan he couldn't know he was guilty specifically then, and then he also nailed IGCD. I don't think Blade completely switches opinion about Ulti based on something like suggesting this. Why would he think scum Ulti would confirm him town?

Also everyone has reason to me town to some extend, so kudos to whoever, but Blade was against a Knightz lynch (whom he later called obvious scum) and an IGCD lynch when they were dead to rights. Then he was after me for days until now. So he can say terrible scum game so many times, but I also think this would not have been the best town game. Night actions never make full sense to me no matter who I consider, but the other actions are confirmed to exist. Based on play, I just believe in this the most.

If I am wrong, so be it, I don't mind and you can trash talk me all you want. Ben said in neighbor chat with me he thought everyone left looked town, he was probably honest and I agree. Anyway, my plan in this case would be to never lynch Ulti or Kirby and you should still be golden as I see it. I would lynch chang, then FD if game isn't over. But either order works I suppose.

Also again, if I'm wrong, thanks for playing, frustrations happen, but it's been a pleasure.

##kill: Blade

STOP

Kirby, I trust you enough that you will consider my thoughts if I die and you are not around before then (also those I gave when I believed I would kill myself the next night but you blocked me, right before we lynched Ben). We disagreed heavily about my role, but otherwise we have been on the same page I think. FD isn't lying about the block obviously. I'm sure you did it to confirm him if a kill happened, it's fine, nothing about most nights make sense to me anyway.

Honestly, this no kill thing. I can't think of any scenario where it makes sense.

I think Kirby brought it up first.

Lopen is a candidate too yeah. If anyone wants, you can probably to check if IGCD ever mentioned 3rd party stuff (maybe Wallz too, but he didn't live that long so else chance). If it seems like they were looking for it, low chance it was Lopen. I would not worry much though.

changmas posted...

i mean here's a stupid question. does ctes vig shot bypass godfather

Yes

The thing is, everyone left has some great reason to be town in my eyes. But someone has to not be.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

according to ctes his shot will kill scum OR 3p, and only won't kill town.

Though now I'm curious what would happen if he targets a 3p who is bulletproof.

Yeah the statement is that I die if I hit town.

I have not asked about bulletproof, but I would assume both Ben and I would survive if I shot him.

I don't follow the line of thinking Kirby should ever roleblock Ulti. It doesn't matter what Ulti suggests and what you think of the ideas, he cannot be anything else but town cop.

Meow1000 posted...

It's completely disingenuous. By suddenly swapping to Chang being town, it serves only as a mechanism to force the shot onto me.

"I still think Chang is scum but I want to make sure. Makes sense. That's not what he said.

But you would not die from the shot if you are town.

You say that, but I know nothing about the flavor.

Meow1000 posted...

Suddenly calling Chang town feels like blatantly attempting to bait Ctes into me though.

Is that a bad thing?

I know Kirby can actually roleblock though, so in that sense it doesn't work as well.

Was kinda hoping Kirby would show up sooner.

Yeah I will aim for scum of course. But I just needed to make clear that the person I shoot is town confirmed if they survive and I die.

The order really doesn't matter. We win in any case. In this case, if Blade is town, you just lynch one of FD and Chang and if game doesn't end you lynch the other one tomorrow.

Like I could try to reread using IGCD's flip or whatever but I really don't see it making a big difference other than personal glory of hitting right.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im at a loss what happened on the night IGCD was saved, or whatever it was.

I'm guessing they gambled on a prediction that IGCD would draw protection and could have him shoot the jailed person without looking bad.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oooohkay. I see.

Now what happens if you target scum? You die, we lynch them?

Then they die and I live. A gamble my life shooting.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

that wasn't an answer to the question i asked.

Okay sorry I am a bit tired. I can use it now.

UltimaterializerX posted...

What are you talking about dude.

English.

If I shoot and I die myself. It means I shot at town. So whoever I shot at is 100% confirmed town in the event that I die.

My flip will not specify how a gambler shot works, I had to ask for those details. This is why I am telling you now.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

ctes, you can fire your shot today? or we have to wait until tonight?

I have it

Anyway, let's say I shoot chang, if I die instead of him you now know he is 100% town. If that happens, you lynch FD. If that doesn't end the game, you lynch Blade the next day.

This assumes Ulti and Kirby are 100% town of course, but if that is true we literally cannot lose.

You literally scanned me innocent

If I kill myself, the the person I tried to kill is 100% town. Not 3rd party or anything, 100% town, otherwise I would not die.

It's important that you know this because it isn't important from my flip, it only states that a gambler vig shot exists, not how it works in detail, I had to get thar specified.

I really don't think we can lose now that I won the bet so I might as well go ahead.

One option is that I kill scum, that's pretty simple. Likely ends the game too.

I suppose that's all actions in already.

I either die by my own hands today or scum dies at mine.

UltimaterializerX posted...

The entire game thinks youre third party so you dont get to direct squat.

You don't get to make the choice today unfortunately.

No reason for any votes, I will take the first step of the day. But I do want to hear the actions of course.

Alright, it's been a pleasure playing this long as town again really, it had been a while, but you really should have shot me when you had the chance, scum.

I won the bet.

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Typhlosion/Meowth
Naganadel/Swadloon
Zigzagoon/Lampent
Chien-Pao/Quilava

FF6

Chrono Cross
Dragon Age: Inquisition
BioShock Infininite
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Last one is controversial perhaps but it gets brought up often enough. Sunshine was very criticized at launch, it doesn't fit.

I'm design maybe but it's fun upgrading more times.

Robazoid posted...

I feel like these two should've done a lot better. They did worse than Gallade/Absol against what feels like weaker competition.

Yeah but Charizard probably has a few antivoters from being very popular and exposed.

Mew/Gyarados
Lechonk/Squawkabilly
Gligar/Farfetch'd
Greavard/Pelipper

If IGCD is this alleged third party then perhaps scum didn't no kill ever.

But we basically have a 1v1 between two people here whose draw of protection is the only explanation of no kills on separate nights, so it's not worth considering too much. It's just about figuring which of the two you trust more.

If IGCD is actually scum, then that Knightz discord thing on day 1 was probably TMI. Amusing.

Blade actually stayed up making some good analysis only to end on me not possibly being town. But still.

I think Lopen being this apparent other third party would be quite amusing. He honestly might be most likely to be it if one exists.

I read the whole topic again after waking up. Don't think anything has particularly changed. A deliberate no kill has used with a jailer going around, but not to this extend. FD is right that N7 is the night that makes Blade being scum least likely.

The lynch should still be IGCD, sorry if I frustrated you last night, but Ulti has way too much reason to be town for me to not trust his scan.

I think all possible theories leaves a few questions for post game about what the hell happened. But IGCD being on a team that no killed N5 isn't too weird to me. Then we work with what we have on the table tomorrow.

Why would the scan be a lie? Of course it's true.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I don't understand what you're saying here.

I am saying that your preservation sucks because you aren't going for the player contradicting you. You would be more likely to convince people if you did.

Preservation lmao. You had like one vote and someone else had one. Force your beliefs!

Except they probably don't exist and you scan guilty.

If you wanted two other players with you, why don't you pick the player that with his night action that goes against yours instead of this.

Yes, because you scanned guilty.

Blad decided to not read the game, that's what it is.

It doesn't change why you got votes.

You moved it instantly, that's not calculated, that's panic.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Why do you want him voted so fucking badly?

It doesn't make sense for you to place it elsewhere, there is no link between Ulti and me.

The vote on me is pathetic, if that's true.

Like, Blade's vote on me is stupid regardless of alignment.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I've repeatedly said they are fucking scum, read the fucking God damn fucking game

Them vote them, man!