Board 8 > Simpsons Mafia Topic 8 Buzzed in Buzz Cola.

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I do like Wallz' role btw since it catches scum who are blatantly begging to be scanned by cops.

I couldn't really join in on the memes this game being the Simpsons virgin that I am. ):

Next game I join is Community mafia

PunishedBen posted...

I couldn't really join in on the memes this game being the Simpsons virgin that I am. ):

Next game I join is Community mafia

I'll need to work on this. I'll also have to see if @Enchantress wants to come back lol

I dunno I'm pretty unreliable

I think Wallz role should be changed in some way. he definitely played it well, but its essentially a role where you have to lie to some degree to get the most out of it.

a one-use Neighborizer by itself is far too weak, and using it literally requires you to go public with your claim. But claiming the full tracker part undermines its own use

Obellisk posted...

not entirely true. I attempt to rule you out early every game. There's a difference.

Ulti is flawless scum and the only people who detect him are just voting him every game except for the games they don't vote him

Its pretty crazy how good town has to play to win. Its like this every game, not just this one. So Im not criticizing or anything. Its just a thin margin for error.

I generally agree, and the statistics here support it, but I don't think this was one of those games. I thought Ulti was by far the scummiest based on play, but he was scanned innocent and tracked nowhere. I think it's generally prudent to not godfather hunt first or assume that the entire scum team almost got lynched D1, even if both didn't pan out in this scenario. I really lost the crowd by playing like a gold bricker, a layabout, a slugbed, and yeah sure five minutes of effort made me go "it's obviously Death and Ulti", but town was in such a dominant position after D1 and limited interaction available from scum made it very town favoured. The scans hurt more than they helped, which is a positive sign for town equity.

I hear you Lea, but. 4/16 scum = 25% of players. If we mislynch sbell on d4 we lynched two scum in four days which is 50% success on lynches. The next day would STILL be mylo. To be fair, this is with red dayvigging town. That seems a bit unforgiving to get scum half the time and its still not good enough. I realize a lot of games are swingy and if death were the d1 lynch scum is in a horrible spot.

Also, glad you played Lea and kept the Simpsons memes flowing (along with chang). Really fun game, sultan.

It also doesnt hurt town that Ben is right about me being scum 50 % of the time
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Literally the exact same thing. The reason Im 4-19 in my last 23 games is because when Im town, people will mislynch me and lose every game in hopes Im scum when they tunnel me. Then in the games I am scum it magically turns into wow was Ulti obvious the entire time.

The fourth alignment is not a meme. Its statistics. FD this game finally stopped doing it, and his play got massively better for it. Shocker I know.

Edit: I absolutely guarantee towns win closer to 50% like theyre supposed to if people pretend I dont exist until night 1.

It may help to not claim P1P1 "I'm a godfather trying to become a ninja too" or similar fake claims to avoid early attention. Happy belated birthday btw

htaeD posted...

It also doesnt hurt town that Ben is right about me being scum 50 % of the time
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If he was completely unable to read you he'd only be right 33% of the time, not terrible.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Literally the exact same thing. The reason Im 4-19 in my last 23 games is because when Im town, people will mislynch me and lose every game in hopes Im scum when they tunnel me. Then in the games I am scum it magically turns into wow was Ulti obvious the entire time.

The fourth alignment is not a meme. Its statistics. FD this game finally stopped doing it, and his play got massively better for it. Shocker I know.

Edit: I absolutely guarantee towns win closer to 50% like theyre supposed to if people pretend I dont exist until night 1.

you might want to consider that it's your play causing this and try to play more pro-town

like even if it bugs me at times I can admit that getting suspected for being inactive is my own fault. I give Lea a hard time about always trying to kill me, but I understand the logic at least

Enchantress posted...

I really lost the crowd by playing like a gold bricker, a layabout, a slugbed, and yeah sure five minutes of effort made me go "it's obviously Death and Ulti", but town was in such a dominant position

I don't think they ever were in a truly dominant position because you had scum scanned innocent and the zero effort play is to trust the scan and there was always a path to victory for Ulti by Chang -> Ben -> Sbell

Also waiting until you have to make a decision is a cop out because scum with no pressure is hard to expose. Also because if you get killed before you actually try you accomplish nothing in terms of scumhunting (ie Red)

Tl;Dr without JC in the game applying pressure I think Ulti wins so I don't know how "dominant" for town the game was.

Its still funny that poor ctes made a list of d1 lynches for the past year and then got lynched on d1

UltimaterializerX posted...

FD this game finally stopped doing it, and his play got massively better for it.

Better? I had an objectively bad game I think. I was wrong about every vote except the one that was mimicking dead Lopen.

My best benefit to town was being easily read by most as town (though not enough to spare me from the vigi who also thought I was town when he shot me). Or perhaps the compilation of information to make it accessible for other smarter town members. But I'd be putting together that info regardless of alignment so that's less an FD-Town thing and just an FD-in-the-game thing.

But I am going to continue to press you if you continue to tell pointless lies about your role. Especially when the lie crosses into someone that feels like it can't possibly be true, I'm going to get stuck on that.

wallmasterz posted...

Its still funny that poor ctes made a list of d1 lynches for the past year and then got lynched on d1

Ha, I have a pretty good memory of such things so it didn't take that long. With the meta about not being the same people, it probbaly helped. Mislynched is what I care about it though, which is hard to be as scum.

And me getting lynched early was super ideal if we had planned something with it. It would've pissed me off in a lot of games lol.

Ulti has scumtells and if you'd want I could go into detail on how I'm generally able to catch him

It has nothing to do with him lying (he always lies in mafia) or having broken logic (he always has broken logic in mafia) is what throws everyone off.

The problem is the solution to him lying or having broken logic is NOT to say "oh that Ulti I'm gonna pretend he's town now because he is making no sense and he does that as town". Probing him is necessary to actually find out if he's scum or not.

I would say why your record is so bad is NOT because you're misread or mislynched as much as your general playstyle is a distraction for town when you roll town and your endgame solving needs a lot of work because you super tilt when people suspect you while at the same time drawing suspicion due to compulsive lying and abundant logic holes due to not caring enough to read the game. It's got massive anti-synergy.

FD you did slow your tunneling of me after a couple days and I thought that was good. You were still skeptical but focused other areas and were willing to listen to me. I felt like it was an improvement over when I was Mr. T.

I was still prepared to push for your lynch as the final scum on the day that I woke up dead.

I think you dying would have pointed me back to ulti because it didn't make sense for scum to kill off one of the primary mislynch contenders, but I'll never know for sure.

wallmasterz posted...

If sbell is lynched over death + successful poison + red shoots fd like he did, its mylo with a 5/2 split.

mislynch + regular nk + poison ek after one more mislynch

not a knock on the balance when I say this, that wouldve sucked to be 50% on hitting scum through four nights, and still at mylo.

You shot wrong. You deserve it.

Corrik7 posted...

You shot wrong. You deserve it.

Fair. But only one player shot wrong, at least lynches are typically a group decision.

wallmasterz posted...

Fair. But only one player shot wrong, at least lynches are typically a group decision.

Doesn't matter. Town had overrides. A mayor and a shot. Both could have been wrong. And if so, town deserved to lose.

Sure, Im not saying its unfair. I know its normal by mafia standards (at least here). My point was town doesnt have much margin for error.

No

You used to make a lot more sense in general in mafia.

Now either because you like the thrill of being harder to figure out as scum or because you just don't care enough to actually try and digest the game and would rather just brazenly push whatever tickles your fancy you've become this 4th alignment you're so proud of.

That's a recent thing. Back when you could solve games you actually read games and didn't make a million contradictions every game. Now you're too busy just random pushing, half the time due to something that has been outright contradicted earlier in the game, or OMGUSing or to solve much

People thinking you're suspicious is a product of how you play. To some extent I have the same problem so I mean I get it but yeah. You just need to put more effort in or gambit less and people won't go at you as much. Really that simple.

Like I have been making an effort lately. People don't like how I solve so I've been trying to like, keep suspicions below my absolute top tier in my head. And I think in this game it worked but I didn't have a lot of time to mess up either.

But like if I fully engaged we might have pushed Lea or Red day 1 (top 4 were you Lea red ctes) and given a scum an out.

You gotta try to get better. Easy to blame everyone but yourself but even if you're good you can always get better at some aspect of the game.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Theres no way youve actually read my old games.

People are also lying about me not knowing roles. I told zero lies in Smash Mafia. Not a single one. Go read it and find one.

I PLAYED in your old games dude. I was there.

I am absolutely saying that

I feel like ever since I wanna say Avengers mafia (which is like 5 years ago now) you've been chasing this high of playmaking and your ability to solve has suffered immensely as a result

But I'm not sure if it's really that or you just got older and stopped caring about actually reading the whole topics or something else.

I couldn't tell you the exact cause or time but yes you weren't always 4th alignment Ulti. You like to handwave me and say I always vote you but I think I've only screwed up once in the past few years on thinking you were scum (again I often suspect you but I usually townclear you before you're in serious trouble) I think it's remembering your play back when you were pre-Crisis Ulti that I'm able to read you better than most.

Speaking of sbell, he was 1) town 2) survived to the end 3) and won the game. Shame it was a monkeys paw situation where he was miserable the entire time.

Is solving a game fully in the final 3 really something to be that proud of when a literal coin will get it right half the time?

Not shade I just don't really think that game is worth a ton and you'd been 4th alignment Ulti for years at that point.

I don't know when that was offhand. If that was way before 2018-2019 I don't believe you though.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I had a game 100% solved this last year, in the final 3.

With all broken logic though that no one could follow to come to the same conclusion. That's the problem. Even if you have it all right, if you don't have a logical way it all makes sense you actually just backdoor lend shade to the correct solution.

Lopen posted...

I don't know when that was offhand. If that was way before 2018-2019 I don't believe you though.

I'm pretty sure i played in dark tower or at least followed it closely since cokes' flavor is the reason i gave the series a go and loved it.
So it was at least pre-2015

Ulti I'm still bummed about losing the best town game i ever played and will ever play. I get it, man. But sometimes an unlucky break is an unlucky break.

UltimaterializerX posted...

People are also lying about me not knowing roles. I told zero lies in Smash Mafia. Not a single one. Go read it and find one.

the fact that you think this is true is very telling

you lied about your role constantly, including saying you gave out cake and that you had no idea what it did

of course, it's kind of hard to go back and read it when your posts are gone from the site

wallmasterz posted...

Speaking of sbell, he was 1) town 2) survived to the end 3) and won the game. Shame it was a monkeys paw situation where he was miserable the entire time.

woe is me.

my observation as someone who generally doesn't make it to endgame is that b8 mafia gets so tired by endgame that town doesn't go back and look at gameplay as much as they should and focuses a bit too much on pure role solving

i had the adrenaline going this game tho vroom vroom

Chaeix posted...

my observation as someone who generally doesn't make it to endgame is that b8 mafia gets so tired by endgame that town doesn't go back and look at gameplay as much as they should and focuses a bit too much on pure role solving

i had the adrenaline going this game tho vroom vroom

The bigger problem is that people don't have the energy to yet are still very stubborn about their reads or just dont care to vote.

I think it only takes one or two people doing the DD to win. But those who do not need to help them. Otherwise scum just controls late game lynches with impunity.

wallmasterz posted...

Speaking of sbell, he was 1) town 2) survived to the end 3) and won the game. Shame it was a monkeys paw situation where he was miserable the entire time.

That's because I have the curse now

But the baton was never truly passed.