Got another mass shooting

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/dayton-ohio-active-shooter-shooting/

This time in Ohio. Who wants to bet on who this person supports politically?

We may as well start playing bingo at this point.

As much as I dislike Trump, you act like this country hasnt had mass shooters before him and even while its occuring you think theres a political motive?

Cacciato posted...

As much as I dislike Trump, you act like this country hasnt had mass shooters before him and even while its occuring you think theres a political motive?

Well given the track record is it that hard to believe?

Cacciato posted...

As much as I dislike Trump, you act like this country hasnt had mass shooters before him and even while its occuring you think theres a political motive?

There could be. Nobody knows what these shooters are thinking. Oh wait, I know. They're just evil bastards who like killing people just for the hell of it. That's what they are.

Cacciato posted...

As much as I dislike Trump, you act like this country hasnt had mass shooters before him and even while its occuring you think theres a political motive?

How can there still be so many people who don't understand what is happening?

Trump is a rallying point, not the sole cause, but yes, this is almost certainly political.

Edit:
So, what a lot of people don't seem to know about this (I thought it was common knowledge but apparently not) is that these public shootings are being fueled by an online stochastic terrorist network in which neo-nazis encourage each other to commit violent acts against the general population. They are generally not encouraged to make manifestos, by the way, as those tend to backfire hard. The violence in and of itself is an attempt to destabilize the country. They are hoping to provoke homicidal retaliation from the public, and some of them believe that if tensions escalate, they can use their stocked up weaponry and seize control of the nation through violence (this is on the assumption that the Trump administration will choose to crack down on their opposition rather than the fascists themselves, and this is not unfounded, I suppose). Most, if not all of them, believe that these acts of targeting areas where people congregate will help damage any efforts for the general population to organize and resist them when tensions escalate.

Regardless of how individuals expect things to play out, their end game is obvious enough. They want to kill minorities and any political opponents who might try to stop them. They're not even subtle about it.

Edit: Forgot to mention. Now's a good time to start supporting antifascist action in public discourse even if you don't practice it yourself. These guys love it whenever someone equates their bullet hail to Antifa's freaking milkshakes. This is also why reading their manifestos is important. If you understand what they're trying to do, you inhibit their ability to recruit more people into their network.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Cacciato posted...

As much as I dislike Trump, you act like this country hasnt had mass shooters before him and even while its occuring you think theres a political motive?

Well given the track record is it that hard to believe?

100% of mass shooters in the last 20 years had access to the internet... :V

Gaawa_chan posted...

So, what a lot of people don't seem to know about this (I thought it was common knowledge but apparently not) is that these public shootings are being fueled by an online stochastic terrorist network in which neo-nazis encourage each other to commit violent acts against the general population. They are generally not encouraged to make manifestos, by the way, as those tend to backfire hard. The violence in and of itself is an attempt to destabilize the country. They are hoping to provoke homicidal retaliation from the public, and some of them believe that if tensions escalate, they can use their stocked up weaponry and seize control of the nation through violence (this is on the assumption that the Trump administration will choose to crack down on their opposition rather than the fascists themselves, and this is not unfounded, I suppose). Most, if not all of them, believe that these acts of targeting areas where people congregate will help damage any efforts for the general population to organize and resist them when tensions escalate.

Ah yes, it's the mysterious incel illuminati network. I see.

Smarkil posted...

Gaawa_chan posted...

So, what a lot of people don't seem to know about this (I thought it was common knowledge but apparently not) is that these public shootings are being fueled by an online stochastic terrorist network in which neo-nazis encourage each other to commit violent acts against the general population. They are generally not encouraged to make manifestos, by the way, as those tend to backfire hard. The violence in and of itself is an attempt to destabilize the country. They are hoping to provoke homicidal retaliation from the public, and some of them believe that if tensions escalate, they can use their stocked up weaponry and seize control of the nation through violence (this is on the assumption that the Trump administration will choose to crack down on their opposition rather than the fascists themselves, and this is not unfounded, I suppose). Most, if not all of them, believe that these acts of targeting areas where people congregate will help damage any efforts for the general population to organize and resist them when tensions escalate.

Ah yes, it's the mysterious incel illuminati network. I see.

8 Chan is real.

Wait...

...

were there 2 shootings today (yesterday)?

Technically I think this happened after midnight (est). But 2 mass shootings that reach national news in a span of 24 hours yes.

Smarkil posted...

Ah yes, it's the mysterious incel illuminati network. I see.

Ah yes, it's the argument from incredulity. I see. Here. Let's see what one of the shooters has to say about that in his manifesto, starting 28:50 minutes in:

Edit: God, I forgot how much this guy rambles, but he's the only one I know of who did a video like this so *shrug* Now I remember why I muted it last time.

incredulity is the best redulity.

God bless America at least we can own GUNS

Why hasn't America just banned guns already? Jesus Christ.

GenericGuy posted...

Why hasn't America just banned guns already?

Because such a thing isn't possible without the government declaring open war on the citizenry.

Well apparently dude had body armor.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Well apparently dude had body armor.

It is quite stylish - everyone should wear it.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Well apparently dude had body armor.

was is REAL body armor or just a tack vest? the criminals wearing real plat carriers tends to be exceptionally rare in these events.

i swear there was just one in a texas mall?

Guess mass shootings are just a daily occurrence now. Oh well, absolutely nothing can be done about this, right? Thoughts and prayers are in route.

Jen0125 posted...

God bless America at least we can own GUNS

But don't you dare offer us affordable healthcare and higher education!!

GanonsSpirit posted...

Guess mass shootings are just a daily occurrence now. Oh well, absolutely nothing can be done about this, right? Thoughts and prayers are in route.

no man it's okay because in reality mass shootings are incredibly rare. they only accounts for like 0.000005% of total deaths per year in this country so we shouldn't give a shit about them. statistically speaking you have a better chance of dying on an airplane so should we ban airplanes too?

that was all sarcasm and an amalgamation of the bullshit responses people have towards improving gun control or at least trying to do something in response to mass shootings.

Remember when Columbine was the only shooting to ever be talked about? Then after about 8 years Virginia Tech happened. Harris, Klebold and Cho were really the only people synonymous with mass shootings.
They were more frequent with Obama in office, and now even moreso with Trump.
Why do you think this is? Maybe it has to do with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold being perceived as heroes by many young people, and those people grew up to be mass shooters too. Maybe the changes in political climate could be a cause too.

Mad_Max posted...

But don't you dare offer us affordable healthcare and higher education!!

Hey we have the right to die not the right to live

Jen0125 posted...

Mad_Max posted...

But don't you dare offer us affordable healthcare and higher education!!

Hey we have the right to die not the right to live

We have the right to both live and die. If we didn't have the right to live, nobody wouldn't have been born and nobody would exist.

Molitheus posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Mad_Max posted...

But don't you dare offer us affordable healthcare and higher education!!

Hey we have the right to die not the right to live

We have the right to both live and die. If we didn't have the right to live, nobody wouldn't have been born and nobody would exist.

-.-

whats up with all these disgusting incel lookin motherfuckers? absolutely vile.

Who cares

8chan Is a Megaphone for Gunmen. Shut the Site Down, Says Its Creator.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/technology/8chan-shooting-manifesto.html

captpackrat posted...

8chan Is a Megaphone for Gunmen. Shut the Site Down, Says Its Creator.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/technology/8chan-shooting-manifesto.html

moot said that?

BlackScythe0 posted...

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/dayton-ohio-active-shooter-shooting/

This time in Ohio. Who wants to bet on who this person supports politically?

Apparently he's a democrat, so...

This shooting appears to be a bit different, as one of the persons killed was the shooter's sister.

What were you betting again TC?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html

Hey, I'll fully admit that I was wrong on this one. I was quite sure the second shooting was inspired by the first... but this seems more personally motivated rather than ideologically. Judging from what little information I've looked at, he seems to have been a bona fide psychopath with sexual hang-ups, though since he's dead there's no real way of knowing unless he had a therapist or something like that.

Smarkil posted...

What were you betting again TC?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html

Did you just get that information? I knew I was wrong two days ago.

Ferarri619 posted...

captpackrat posted...

8chan Is a Megaphone for Gunmen. Shut the Site Down, Says Its Creator.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/technology/8chan-shooting-manifesto.html

moot said that?

Moot created 8chan?