What makes manga so appealing to Americans?

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discussing American comic books leaves me in a ghost town but mention the latest chainsaw man chapter and suddenly people are coming out of the woodworks to talk about it online
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as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment.
Just depends on what people like at the time. A while ago, manga wasnt as well received as it is these days But manga, and other choice things, as more popular these days
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as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment.
theres This assumption that no comics exists outside Marvel/dc so If someone thinks those suck then theyll think all American comics suck because they think thats all the comics published in America
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It's true that the best comics right now are from outside the Big Two
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Metalsonic66 posted...
It's true that the best comics right now are from outside the Big Two
Theres a lot of comics released by marvel/dc though Its hard to say all of those suck some do but not all of them. Sadly people online would prefer to be angry than happy. Negativity YouTube videos on comics get more attention than positivity ones
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I like light novels and anime, and sometimes they become manga. I couldn't care less about associated media for comics outside of like Marvel vs. Capcom.
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trivialbeing posted...
as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment.

Pretty much that. Even some of the independent labels are declining (IDW *cough**cough*).

Personally I never liked Manga (always felt like it was ripping off French Bande dessine comics), but there is enough older stuff and more obscure independent stuff that I still find stuff to read.
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because the people who read comics and graphic novels are the kind of terminally online person who stays to just one specific place on the internet, much like we do here

weirdly enough it's usually bodybuilding forums in my anecdotal experience

while the terminally online who read manga are typically all over the place because they're fuckin freaks
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NightMareBunny posted...
Theres a lot of comics released by marvel/dc though Its hard to say all of those suck some do but not all of them.

The vast majority of them do. And because of how badly both companies have sucked for more than a decade now, it's hard to ever have enough faith to ever get invested in anything they do now because there's always the sneaking suspicion that even the good stuff will be ruined eventually.

2011 was pretty much the death knell for both Marvel and DC in terms of the last time either of them put out anything worth caring about.
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Manga tells stories I can relate to.
Comic books are about super heroes - something I can't at all relate to and greatly dislike.
Comic books have nothing like, 3-gatsu no Lion, Shimeji Simulation, or My Home Hero.
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Modern comics from the big 2 are convoluted for the sake of selling more comics

People don't know where to start. They think you have to start at Batman 1. There are so many titles for batman. Reading order is confusing
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Sarcasthma posted...
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Judgmenl posted...
Manga tells stories I can relate to.
Comic books are about super heroes - something I can't at all relate to and greatly dislike.
Comic books have nothing like, 3-gatsu no Lion, Shimeji Simulation, or My Home Hero.
American comic books are more than superheroes just look at image comics. They publish plenty that isnt superhero related
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
The vast majority of them do. And because of how badly both companies have sucked for more than a decade now, it's hard to ever have enough faith to ever get invested in anything they do now because there's always the sneaking suspicion that even the good stuff will be ruined eventually.

2011 was pretty much the death knell for both Marvel and DC in terms of the last time either of them put out anything worth caring about.
i read plenty of comics through the marvel unlimited app and Ive read comics after 2011 that arent dogshit such as black cat or Carnage 2015
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I_Abibde posted...
There is no Manga Cinematic Universe to kill that medium dead.
why do people keep forgetting Marvel/DC are IP farms. Its what they doother comic book publishers are different but they exist to promote outside products such as films tv shows toilet paper and toys. Most manga is not created just to sell underwear or soda pop
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Sarcasthma posted...
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yeah this is weird
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NightMareBunny posted...
Most manga is not created just to sell underwear or soda pop
quite a lot of manga (and ESPECIALLY anime- doubly especially isekai) is just made to sell the light novels these days, actually. they aren't as egregious or aggressive about it as marvel/DC are with merch, but there's definitely been a trend towards lax adaptations in the past decade or two because the goal is to be an accessory to the original

as much as I love isekai, it's polluting the waters right now big time
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NightMareBunny posted...
and Ive read comics after 2011 that arent dogshit such as black cat or Carnage 2015

It's entirely possible for people with low standards to enjoy bad things.
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I still buy a lot of the Spider books. Amazing has been going to weird places lately but the recent crossovers and Spider-Man-adjacent books have been pretty cool.

Of course, for me, collecting is the biggest part of the appeal
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
It's entirely possible for people with low standards to enjoy bad things.
Yeah no the entire output by marvel/dc isnt bad
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I'm not sure, when I see someone into manga/anime/whatever I just think to myself "fucking weeb"
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Muscles posted...
I'm not sure, when I see someone into manga/anime/whatever I just think to myself "fucking weeb"
Even the man in the mirror??
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AltOmega2 posted...
Even the man in the mirror??
I haven't heard of it

Tbf I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, just when they make it their whole personality
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Muscles posted...
I haven't heard of it

Tbf I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, just when they make it their whole personality
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AltOmega2 posted...
The man in the mirror is you!
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What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom?
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trivialbeing posted...
American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment.

NightMareBunny posted...
discussing American comic books leaves me in a ghost town but mention the latest chainsaw man chapter and suddenly people are coming out of the woodworks to talk about it online

Oh. THAT context makes more sense.

Two reasons:

First , anime has helped to establish and popularize manga in the US, in no small part because manga tends to get adapted into anime an almost 1:1 basis whereas comics are often heavily reimagined when they get shows or movies.

And the discrepancy between tv/film and comics kinda limits the cross-over appeal. It's not 100% either side's fault, other than the broader issue of things running forever and continuity changes being inevitable (although a lot of continuity changes are inherently problematic, like crippling Barbara Gordon, which was edgy in comics and -- in today's climate -- would lead to cancellation attempts).

Secondly , American comics suck right now. Like they're legitimately terrible. Let me preface that a bit further -- Marvel and DC, the two companies with the broadest reach and who largely dominate the market, suck. And because the US's comic industry isn't as varied or robust as Japan's (where it's not just two companies basically running everything), that kinda kills the industry.

The other issue is Marvel and DC have more or less cultivated a narrow lane by leaning into superhero stuff. And I also think it *might* be more expensive to produce comics in the US than Japan, partly due to expectations (since the US tends to favor full-color everything) and also labor costs.

There are other supporting cultural reasons, too, that helped manga offer a larger variety of content. And because the number of manga is drastically higher than the number of US comics, there are inevitably going to be more great titles (along with more bad ones, but those fall by the wayside)
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