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https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24049050/microsoft-activision-blizzard-layoffs

Tell me more about how this merger was a good thing, @ConfusedTorchic
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Zareth posted...
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Tell me more about how this merger was a good thing, @ConfusedTorchic

microsoft isn't the only company doing layoffs right now lmao

also pretty sure no one thought there wouldn't be layoffs after a merger. it always happens.

Bungie laid off how many of their employees after they were bought by Sony?

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Really comes back to that never work in video game dev. Terrible short sighted industry.

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what if they just fired all of Blizzard :?
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SinisterSlay posted...
Really comes back to that never work in video game dev. Terrible short sighted industry.
Or just never open your company up to be publicly traded.
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Zareth posted...
Or just never open your company up to be publicly traded.
That's also a big one.
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Zareth posted...
Or just never open your company up to be publicly traded.

Then you wind up begging for money on Kickstarter or going bankrupt.

Game dev is a terrible industry in general in the modern era.
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High AF profits, FFXIV finally brought to Xbox; time to lay off a ton of employees.

Clearly a stable company that won't implode with a little effort.
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TheSlinja posted...
okay but do we know how many of these laid off employess were sex offenders and how many were victims, i need the ratios

Most likely the people fired were the ones actually doing their jobs and not the ones in leadership who didn't do their jobs and just drank all day while wondering around harassing people.
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Then you wind up begging for money on Kickstarter or going bankrupt.

Game dev is a terrible industry in general in the modern era.

It's because no one is satisfied just making a good game that is within their ability to actually make. They either want to monetize it to hell or bite off more than they can chew.
ConfusedTorchic posted...
microsoft isn't the only company doing layoffs right now lmao

Literally "everybody else is doing it!"
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adjl posted...
Literally "everybody else is doing it!"

i mean, yeah?

the video game industry is bleak as hell right now because of it. there's going to be more, Sony is even planning on closing a studio as well.

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Some of it is redundancy. The Blizzard HR department wouldn't have anything to do once they merged with the Microsoft HR department, for example. Like, obviously this sucks and the staff of that survival game that got axed was victimized by the merger but some number of people were never going to make the jump.
ConfusedTorchic posted...
i mean, yeah?

the video game industry is bleak as hell right now because of it. there's going to be more, Sony is even planning on closing a studio as well.

None of which makes it okay. I don't care if it's Microsoft, Sony, or somebody everybody loves like ConcernedApe (putting aside for a moment the question of how plausible it is for him to lay anyone off), massive layoffs are bad.
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This is happening a lot lately

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adjl posted...
None of which makes it okay. I don't care if it's Microsoft, Sony, or somebody everybody loves like ConcernedApe (putting aside for a moment the question of how plausible it is for him to lay anyone off), massive layoffs are bad.

i never said it was

i implied that singling out one specific company for doing it when they aren't the only ones doing it is dumb

i even referred to the whole situation as bleak, not rainbows and sunshine

but there will always be layoffs when there's a merger regardless, since there will be a whole lot of redundancies that just don't need to exist anymore.

for example, Microsoft is also shutting their publication department, which makes sense since both Zenimax and Activision both have their own publishing systems, that are arguably better than microsofts was.

so why keep it when you have two others?
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
i never said it was

You have, however, been quite happy to defend their acquisitions. Now you're turning around and handwaving massive layoffs as being an inevitable part of acquisitions.

ConfusedTorchic posted...
i implied that singling out one specific company for doing it when they aren't the only ones doing it is dumb

I'm not singling out any one specific company. Microsoft is bad for laying off 1900 employees now. Microsoft was also bad for laying off however may thousands they laid off a few months ago. Sony was also bad when they laid off Bungie employees, or Epic when they laid off a bunch of people, or ABK, or everyone else that's been indulging in mass layoffs over the last year. I recognize that many on the Internet do not possess such a talent, but I am capable of thinking ill of multiple companies at the same time.
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adjl posted...
You have, however, been quite happy to defend their acquisitions. Now you're turning around and handwaving massive layoffs as being an inevitable part of acquisitions

i never made any allusion that layoffs weren't going to happen lmao

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adjl posted...
You have, however, been quite happy to defend their acquisitions. Now you're turning around and handwaving massive layoffs as being an inevitable part of acquisitions.

I'm not singling out any one specific company. Microsoft is bad for laying off 1900 employees now. Microsoft was also bad for laying off however may thousands they laid off a few months ago. Sony was also bad when they laid off Bungie employees, or Epic when they laid off a bunch of people, or ABK, or everyone else that's been indulging in mass layoffs over the last year. I recognize that many on the Internet do not possess such a talent, but I am capable of thinking ill of multiple companies at the same time.
Are you ignoring the economicst of the layoffs?

Sure if a layoff only ensures a larger bonus for people who don't need bonuses, that's a bad layoff.

But some layoffs are needed to ensure the jobs of more people than were laid off and/or to give raises to those still employed and eliminating redundant jobs helps that.

Without all the information, it's illogical to just call a layoff bad because some people lost their job. And for the record, I have lived through and survived a layoff. I was paid handsomely on the my last day.
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
i never made any allusion that layoffs weren't going to happen lmao

"Sure, it cost 1900 people their jobs, but this merger is a good thing because now I can play Diablo on Gamepass!"

marthalies posted...
Are you ignoring the economicst of the layoffs?

Sure if a layoff only ensures a larger bonus for people who don't need bonuses, that's a bad layoff.

In the AAA game industry, it's very safe to assume any layoffs you see are being done to line the pockets of executives and shareholders. In this case, many of those layoffs would have been staff that were made redundant by the merger, but the merger itself has been done to line the pockets of executives and shareholders, so the fact that those positions have become redundant is a direct consequence of business decisions made to line the pockets of executives and shareholders.

There are instances where layoffs are a consequence of shifting market conditions or other circumstances that are beyond the employer's control, making them a tragic necessity to preserve the livelihoods of as many of the remaining employees as possible, but the AAA game industry as a whole is not in such a position. AAA game companies are breaking revenue and profit records every other quarter and still laying people off, not because they need to do so to remain profitable, but because it helps them satisfy shareholders' lust for indefinite growth. They're all too happy to paint this as a "necessity," acting as though they are somehow just as much victims of the whole situation as the employees whose livelihoods they've chosen to destroy, but it's virtually always a matter of the choices they've made, whether that's deciding entirely on their own to lay people off for profit or taking gambles that don't pay out and laying the consequences for that failure on employees instead of the executives responsible.
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adjl posted...
"Sure, it cost 1900 people their jobs, but this merger is a good thing because now I can play Diablo on Gamepass!"

literally no.

the merger was good because it's bringing more titles to more platforms that the titles weren't already on.

the layoffs are going to happen regardless to clear out redundancies. i never said that was a good thing, and thinking i did makes you look real fuckin bad. i clearly said it was going to happen regardless, has been happening regardless, and that the industry as a whole is very bad right now because everyone is doing layoffs, not just ones that had a major merger.

you're better than this adj, quit it.
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
literally no.

the merger was good because it's bringing more titles to more platforms that the titles weren't already on.

the layoffs are going to happen regardless to clear out redundancies.

-The merger is good because now I can play Diablo on Gamepass
-Layoffs are an inevitable part of the merger

A little bit of transitive substitution, and we get:

"Layoffs are an inevitable part of something that is good because now I can play Diablo on Gamepass."

All the pieces are there: you're justifying a business decision that you acknowledge will result in layoffs with the fact that games will come to more platforms. Therefore, Diablo on Gamepass>1900 people's jobs, in your eyes.

ConfusedTorchic posted...
i clearly said it was going to happen regardless, has been happening regardless, and that the industry as a whole is very bad right now because everyone is doing layoffs, not just ones that had a major merger.

The industry as a whole is indeed doing layoffs, but this is a batch that we're specifically attributing to the merger making the positions redundant. Those positions would not have been redundant if not for the merger, so it can be reasonably assumed that the employees in question would not have been laid off otherwise.
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phil Spencer could shit in hellys mailbox and he would find a way to spin it into a good thing
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Guys, you really need to chill. You all keep forgetting that Helly is from a parallel universe where everything is opposite.

So where he's from, layoffs are a good thing, and Phil Spencer shitting in your mailbox is like winning the lottery.
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adjl posted...
-The merger is good because now I can play Diablo on Gamepass
-Layoffs are an inevitable part of the merger

A little bit of transitive substitution, and we get:

"Layoffs are an inevitable part of something that is good because now I can play Diablo on Gamepass."

All the pieces are there: you're justifying a business decision that you acknowledge will result in layoffs with the fact that games will come to more platforms. Therefore, Diablo on Gamepass>1900 people's jobs, in your eyes.

again, literally no.

you're straight up putting words into my mouth i never once said or implied.

what's with your weird fixation on diablo? the merger is better since more titles are coming to more platforms they otherwise wouldn't be on. gamepass isn't a platform. this is 100% better than the alternative of locking down to one single platform.

layoffs after mergers are completely normal and you absolutely goddamn know that. where do you think i'm trying to handwave away that it's objectively a bad thing in general? beats me, because i never did that.

stop inventing an imaginary argument in your head.

you can both like something and dislike and criticize aspects of it just fine. it's not a black/white thing like you're trying to scream about, and trying to create a strawman argument about it isn't going to work.
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
what's with your weird fixation on diablo?

It's a reductive example. You can substitute any other ABK game in there if it would make you feel better.

ConfusedTorchic posted...
gamepass isn't a platform.

It (along with other game subscriptions/streaming services) was included in that infographic you liked to throw around pre-merger to show off how many "new platforms" ABK games would be coming to. If streaming services aren't being counted, "new platforms" literally just means the Switch, in which case the plural is just plain misleading.

ConfusedTorchic posted...
you're straight up putting words into my mouth i never once said or implied.

Am I? Let's review:

-"The merger is [a good thing] since more titles are coming to more platforms they otherwise wouldn't be on" (fundamentally equivalent to "it's good because now Diablo will be on Gamepass")
-"Layoffs after mergers are completely normal and [...] that's objectively a bad thing" (fundamentally equivalent to "layoffs are an inevitable part of mergers")
-It is your opinion that Microsoft's acquisition of ABK is overall a good thing

Are any of these statements incorrect or inconsistent with your position?
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adjl posted...
Am I? Let's review:

-"The merger is [a good thing] since more titles are coming to more platforms they otherwise wouldn't be on" (fundamentally equivalent to "it's good because now Diablo will be on Gamepass")

not equivalent at all. you are the only one who has brought up gamepass this entire time. i surely didn't.

adjl posted...
-"Layoffs after mergers are completely normal and [...] that's objectively a bad thing" (fundamentally equivalent to "layoffs are an inevitable part of mergers")

the only correct thing you've said so far.

adjl posted...
-It is your opinion that Microsoft's acquisition of ABK is overall a good thing

two for three now.

to sum: what i have said is

the acquisition is good since more things come to more platforms. gamepass being a service, geforce now being a service. the actual platforms being, the Xbox, the PlayStation, PC, and the Switch.

so why the plural? because we already know Sony was going to pay for full exclusivity to block ABK games from not just Xbox, but also PC. the alternative is full exclusivity to just one platform.

so yes, this was decidedly a good thing.

that there being layoffs is normal. what this does not mean is that i am okay with that happening. i never claimed it was, implied it was or otherwise said anything that could be inferred as such.

layoffs are bad.

that you keep trying to do that is where the issue is. by putting words ive never said in my mouth, to try and justify your complete inability to understand that it's not a black and white issue.

moreover, i have also pointed out that it is not just any one company doing layoffs right now. the entire industry as a whole is facing these issues, so trying to make it partisan is ridiculous, moreso than trying to twist and leap logic to claim that someone is in support of them.

adjl posted...
It (along with other game subscriptions/streaming services) was included in that infographic you liked to throw around pre-merger to show off how many "new platforms" ABK games would be coming to.

yeah i never posted any infographics like that. the one i did post was just showing how many different studios would be under the xbox brand as a whole.

you are, again, putting words into my mouth that i never said.
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when Sony bought Bungie, i also championed it as a decidedly good thing. Sony tends to know what they're doing with regards to their studios moreso than most everyone else.

then they laid off a large potion of their staff, which i also was critical about since it just exacerbated the problems with that studio as a whole that it's had for over a decade at this point.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/264564-xbox-series-x/80607876

#29.

it is possible to like and dislike things at the same time. suggesting that it is somehow impossible to do that is ridiculous, the fact that it's coming from you, when i know damn well you fully and completely understand this, is borderline obnoxious.

"you like the merger therefore you like the layoffs"

is a fucking stupid thing to try and claim, and is cliche trolling.
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
not equivalent at all. you are the only one who has brought up gamepass this entire time. i surely didn't.

Alright, since you're so insistent on fixating on the pedantic nuance of my slightly facetious way of expressing the situation in an overly reductive fashion, let's try this again, only this time being strictly literal about absolutely everything so you're happy:

-"The merger is [a good thing] since more titles are coming to more platforms they otherwise wouldn't be on"
-"Layoffs after mergers are completely normal and [...] that's objectively a bad thing"
-It is your opinion that Microsoft's acquisition of ABK is overall a good thing

Are any of these statements incorrect or inconsistent with your position?

ConfusedTorchic posted...
yeah i never posted any infographics like that. the one i did post was just showing how many different studios would be under the xbox brand as a whole.

you are, again, putting words into my mouth that i never said.

Oh?

https://imgur.com/77gaOiD

And the link in question:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/2/AAeEKDAAEp44.jpg

So it was specifically CoD and not all ABK games, and a vague "more available" instead of strictly "on more platforms," but I'll call that close enough to be a win. I'm not putting words in your mouth, I just remember better than you what you've said.
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so an infographic about call of duty, you somehow equated to mean

yeah maybe you aren't better than i thought.
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
so an infographic about call of duty, you somehow equated to mean

Would it make you feel better if I instead said "It's good because now CoD will be on Gamepass"? I figured speaking more broadly and naming any high-profile ABK game would get the point across sufficiently, but I'm willing to cater to whatever degree of pedantry is needed to satisfy you.
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i don't even have gamepass

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i haven't had it for years, i really could not care less about if call of duty or diablo or anything goes onto it.

what i care about is games being taken away from platforms.

but at the same time, i also have the ability to understand the point and reason behind exclusivity.

funny that
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adjl posted...


And the link in question:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/2/AAeEKDAAEp44.jpg


What even are the bottom half?
"It's good because now CoD will be on Switch"? You clearly have a problem with this facetiously specific example and are fixating on that instead of addressing the obvious larger point of "The merger is a good thing because ABK games will be more available," but I'm happy to tweak the wording however is needed to satisfy that fixation so we can move on to the real point.

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What even are the bottom half?

Beats me. I assumed they were all Gamepass-like services (I know Nvidia has one, the others are less familiar), but it definitely did not escape my notice that whoever put that infographic together really dug deep to spin the acquisition as a positive for consumers.
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the real point of...you seemingly unable to understand that you can both like and dislike something at the same time?

i don't think i can help with that but we can certainly try
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Then let's revisit this:

-"The merger is [a good thing] since more titles are coming to more platforms they otherwise wouldn't be on"
-"Layoffs after mergers are completely normal and [...] that's objectively a bad thing"
-It is your opinion that Microsoft's acquisition of ABK is overall a good thing

Are any of these statements incorrect or inconsistent with your position?

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adjl posted...
Then let's revisit this:

-"The merger is [a good thing] since more titles are coming to more platforms they otherwise wouldn't be on"
-"Layoffs after mergers are completely normal and [...] that's objectively a bad thing"
-It is your opinion that Microsoft's acquisition of ABK is overall a good thing

Are any of these statements incorrect or inconsistent with your position?

for now, can't wait to see what you'll try and spin it as now

JudgeMentok posted...
Not Helly running away from an argument he cant win? Nah.

not only did i not run away lmfao

but i have already won it.
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
microsoft isn't the only company doing layoffs right now lmao

also pretty sure no one thought there wouldn't be layoffs after a merger. it always happens.

Bungie laid off how many of their employees after they were bought by Sony?

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1750530203468849230
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
phil Spencer could shit in hellys mailbox and he would find a way to spin it into a good thing
Tbh that would be a cool story to tell at a party though. "This big exec from Xbox took a shit in my mailbox one time!" Plus, you could definitely sue him
ConfusedTorchic posted...
for now, can't wait to see what you'll try and spin it as now

So we have statement A as a good aspect of the merger, statement B as a bad aspect of it, and statement C as your overall opinion after weighing the good and bad aspects of it. Mathematically, C=A-B. If C is positive, A must be greater than B.

You have defined C as positive. Therefore, you feel that A>B. This means you feel that ABK titles coming to platforms they otherwise would not outweighs 1900 people losing their jobs.

Or, more reductively, "It cost 1900 people their jobs, but this merger is a good thing because now I can play *insert game of choice* on *insert platform of choice*!". Which, you might notice, is exactly where we started (with a couple of tweaks to accommodate your disinterest in Diablo and non-use of Gamepass). You are correct that one can both like and dislike different aspects of a given thing, but if your overall opinion of that thing is positive, that means you've decided that the aspects you like outweigh the aspects you don't like, and in this case, that means you value more video games over 1900 people's livelihoods. This is not me putting words in your mouth. This is what you have yourself said.

To be clear, while I was already opposed to the acquisition because monopolies are bad for competition, even without considering that I would disapprove of it entirely because it's cost 1900 people their jobs with no commensurate benefit. I have to concede that I categorically avoid buying ABK games anyway (the WC3 Reforged debacle burned my ability to trust that they wouldn't break any games I bought from them years later if they thought it would make them a buck, and then the whole rampant sexual harassment problem and subsequent decision to sweep it under the rug cemented the decision), so whatever happens to ABK games' availability is never going to be a significant factor for me, but even with games I would buy I'd rather have to choose between buying a new system and not playing them than sacrifice 1900 people's livelihoods. Every time, without question. They're just video games. They're not more important than the well-being of the people making them.
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
i never made any allusion that layoffs weren't going to happen lmao
Except that wouldn't have happened if the government had stood their ground and refused to let the companies become one. Competition does help the economy but only so long as the government is around to force companies to compete and not let them merge. Mergers shouldn't be allowed ever. All they do is kill competition, stifle creativity and kill jobs.
ConfusedTorchic posted...
when Sony bought Bungie, i also championed it as a decidedly good thing. Sony tends to know what they're doing with regards to their studios moreso than most everyone else.
"Sony knows what they are doing?" Good lord that is hilarious. Sony has been more censor happy than Nintendo ever was and yet "they know what they are doing"? Yeah you have shown your lack of intelligence with that statement, bud.

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JudgeMentok posted...
You think Microsoft and ABK werent going to layoffs without a merger?

#BenderLaugh

Oh wait youre being serious

#BiggerBenderLaugh

They weren't going to lay off staff that were made redundant by the merger without the merger to make them redundant. They probably would have laid off others and probably still will lay off others, but if we're accepting the premise that this particular batch is to eliminate redundancies created by the merger, not merging and therefore not creating those redundancies would have meant this particular batch of layoffs would not have happened.
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