Billionaires pay less taxes than you

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I mean yeah... capitol gains come with a lot more inherent risk than regular wages, and so they get taxed less

I'm no billionaire but I for sure pay less taxes than you do too.

They pay a lower percentage than you do that's for sure, but the actual amount dwarfs what any individual working class person does.

Certain people (who probably share a lot of views with TC) aren't in favor of a flat tax, which could fix this issue but hey, its easier to just bitch about it I guess.
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ItIsSoOver posted...
I mean yeah... capitol gains come with a lot more inherent risk than regular wages, and so they get taxed less

I'm no billionaire but I for sure pay less taxes than you do too.

They pay a lower percentage than you do that's for sure, but the actual amount dwarfs what any individual working class person does.

Certain people (who probably share a lot of views with TC) aren't in favor of a flat tax, which could fix this issue but hey, its easier to just bitch about it I guess.

you didn't read the article... their personal income tax is 24%, compared to the national average of 25%
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ItIsSoOver posted...
I'm no billionaire but I for sure pay less taxes than you do too.

A good accountant who knows all the loopholes is a wonderful thing come tax time.



Lokarin posted...
you didn't read the article... their personal income tax is 24%, compared to the national average of 25%

You're missing the point that a 1% difference doesn't mean much when you're comparing a multi-million income versus minimum wage.

Or you're just clickbaiting.

The real discussion that matters is spending power versus cost of living.
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Lokarin posted...
you didn't read the article... their personal income tax is 24%, compared to the national average of 25%

No, I didnt.
And given the fact that the article title is saying they pay less taxes, but apparently the body saying they pay way WAY more taxes I feel affirmed in that decision.
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The body isn't saying that, unless I missed it.

"However, these taxes have been significantly reduced in recent yearsthe top corporate tax rate in the U.S. was reduced from 35 percent to 21 percent in 2018, and the estate tax now generates only a quarter of the tax revenues it raised in the 1970s, the Times noted."

"In the 1960s, the 400 richest Americans paid more than half of their income in taxes, according to the Times . By 2018, America's wealthiest individuals paid just 23 percent of their income in taxes. Meanwhile, the bottom half of income earners paid 24 percent of their income in taxes."

The article is saying the percentage that the wealthy pay is down. Of course, their overall dollar amount is still going to be high, but we aren't talking about that. Nor is the article.
ItIsSoOver posted...
Certain people (who probably share a lot of views with TC) aren't in favor of a flat tax, which could fix this issue

Yes and no. The problem with a flat tax is that losing, say, half your income when you make $20k is devastating, but losing half your income when you make $20M has very little impact on quality of life (and none whatsoever on your ability to survive). To that end, if it's determined that the tax needs are X% of the country's total income, taxing everyone X% is going to disproportionately hurt the lower class without actually doing that much to alleviate the overall tax burden. However it works, something needs to be done to ensure that people whose basic survival hinges on keeping as much of their income as possible get to do so.

Are tax brackets the best solution? Maybe, maybe not. The problem with tax brackets isn't that the idea doesn't work at a fundamental level, it's that the system of deductions and exemptions needed to make it work is too complicated for anyone without a good (and expensive) accountant to take full advantage of, plus there's been significant lobbying to ensure that those deductions work in favour of those who don't actually need them because they're the ones with the resources needed to lobby.

I could see a flat tax working with a much higher minimum income threshold (like you get taxed the greater of X% or whatever takes you down to $75k), but even that would require some rejigging to catch the multibillionaires who ostensibly only make like $10 a year because of how they've structured their wealth. You'd also probably still end up needing some extra deductions/credits (like $75k goes a lot further for a single person than for a person with three kids), which pretty quickly starts devolving into the same overcomplicated nonsense we've got now.
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argonautweakend posted...
The body isn't saying that, unless I missed it.

"However, these taxes have been significantly reduced in recent yearsthe top corporate tax rate in the U.S. was reduced from 35 percent to 21 percent in 2018, and the estate tax now generates only a quarter of the tax revenues it raised in the 1970s, the Times noted."

"In the 1960s, the 400 richest Americans paid more than half of their income in taxes, according to the Times . By 2018, America's wealthiest individuals paid just 23 percent of their income in taxes. Meanwhile, the bottom half of income earners paid 24 percent of their income in taxes."

The article is saying the percentage that the wealthy pay is down. Of course, their overall dollar amount is still going to be high, but we aren't talking about that. Nor is the article.

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because it literally does say that here , and then the article says they pay 24% and

24% of 1,000,000 is 240,000 (on the low end of what the richest make/pay)
whereas 25% of 65,000 (average US income) of is ~15,000 which is less than 240,000

I am talking about that, whether you are or not.
And that IS what the article says. Of course, they aren't going to say they pay 1& less income tax because that wouldnt be as sensational.
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ItIsSoOver posted...
They pay a lower percentage than you do that's for sure
shouldn't they pay a (much) higher percentage? wealth should have diminishing returns, basically.

(although I know that it's not that simple, it's not all cash, it's assets and investments, etc.)
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Yeah, no. One billionaire probably pays more in taxes than everyone here combined.
CrestedTax posted...
Yeah, no. One billionaire probably pays more in taxes than everyone here combined.

We aren't billionaires what exactly is your point?
Jeff Bezos claimed negative income a few years back... not only did he pay less than you, you paid HIM with your taxes
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Lokarin posted...
Jeff Bezos claimed negative income a few years back... not only did he pay less than you, you paid HIM with your taxes

In a similar vein, ABK (at least before Microsoft bought them) gets a tax refund of upwards of a hundred million each year because they hide all of their assets in offshore tax havens.
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BlackScythe0 posted...
We aren't billionaires what exactly is your point?

probably the fact that the topic title "Billionaires pay less taxes than you" is demonstrably false?

what the fuck did you think his point was lmao

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