Would you rather have the 7 Dragonballs or the Death Note?

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ConfusedTorchic posted...
brother i did not once say i would be a hero
You're misreading my post, I guess.
SomeUsername529 posted...
And again, in the specific scenario of someone being offered dragon balls (literally any wish within reason can be yours and possibly many more in the future if you work hard) or a death note (an apocalyptic murder device that can do nothing but deliberately assassinate people in inhumane ways) and them openly declaring "please! please! give me the murder tool so I can use it!" there is no moral question about cutting that person off from society forever.

As opposed to actual murderers? "deathnoting murderers would be worse than people murdering" mindset. It could be used in self defence but then again there's a lot of rules that complicate matters.

In DBZ, they make a wish at the end of the Buu Saga to bring back all the people who Buu had killed, except the evil ones. That's similar , except it effectively wipes out ALL the bad people. Lot of issues with that obviously, I guess would asking Shenron to save only good people from being hurt be a good wish?
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This is just the "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker" argument. Except not quite on the same level, because Batman is trying to be a symbol and stand for something, and Death Note users would ideally remain anonymous.
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SomeUsername529 posted...
You're misreading my post, I guess.
no not really.

your argument is that anyone who wants a scenario where they get an item to kill a bunch of people is fucked and wrong

how many times have you gone murderhobo in a video game, though? you never just went on a murder spree in gta before? never just went hogwild in skyrim?
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Batman doesn't kill the Joker cuz the Batman needs villains to justify his existence...

think about it, Bruce Wayne proper could stop far more crime than Batman ever could... but doesn't
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Lokarin posted...
Batman doesn't kill the Joker cuz the Batman needs villains to justify his existence...

think about it, Bruce Wayne proper could stop far more crime than Batman ever could... but doesn't
If he killed him he would just come back to life and be somehow worse.
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keyblader1985 posted...
This is just the "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker" argument. Except not quite on the same level, because Batman is trying to be a symbol and stand for something, and Death Note users would ideally remain anonymous.

People randomly falling over dead would eventually draw an investigation, now the odds of it being led back to you is pretty unlikely but stranger things have happened.

The notion that it would be impossible to trace it back is a bit absurd. Yes it would be a challenging investigation but if you use it like Light did and kill 1000's of criminals you can bet your ass they would try.
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Monopoman posted...
People randomly falling over dead would eventually draw an investigation, now the odds of it being led back to you is pretty unlikely but stranger things have happened.

The notion that it would be impossible to trace it back is a bit absurd. Yes it would be a challenging investigation but if you use it like Light did and kill 1000's of criminals you can bet your ass they would try.

Over 150,000 people die every day across the world. Even if you were writing 100 names a day, the Death Note would not draw any attention whatsoever unless you were getting into public arguments with people and screaming "I hope you die" at them before they do.
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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...
Over 150,000 people die every day across the world. Even if you were writing 100 names a day, the Death Note would not draw any attention whatsoever unless you were getting into public arguments with people and screaming "I hope you die" at them before they do.
Little easier when it was all heart attacks and all in prison. And all during the same time of day.
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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...
Over 150,000 people die every day across the world. Even if you were writing 100 names a day, the Death Note would not draw any attention whatsoever unless you were getting into public arguments with people and screaming "I hope you die" at them before they do.
People who die are disproportionately elderly. A surge in young people dying of heart attacks will be noticeable.
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SinisterSlay posted...
Little easier when it was all heart attacks and all in prison. And all during the same time of day.
So mix it up a little. I mean, even if someone literally exploded into chunky soup every night at 2:14 a.m. Eastern Time, how would you ever narrow that down to some rando with a magic book?
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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...
So mix it up a little. I mean, even if someone literally exploded into chunky soup every night at 2:14 a.m. Eastern Time, how would you ever narrow that down to some rando with a magic book?
Isn't there already a forest in Japan people go to to end themselves? Just send more there
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SinisterSlay posted...
Little easier when it was all heart attacks and all in prison. And all during the same time of day.

and in the same local-ish area

light did literally every single thing he could do to get caught aside from just outright admitting it to everyone
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
and in the same local-ish area

light did literally every single thing he could do to get caught aside from just outright admitting it to everyone
It's hilarious how fast Light gets identified as the prime suspect, and then there's like 60 episodes of him devising increasingly absurd ways to divert suspicion.

I think it is realistic that he's careless at first and then has to be more cautious later though.
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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...
Over 150,000 people die every day across the world. Even if you were writing 100 names a day, the Death Note would not draw any attention whatsoever unless you were getting into public arguments with people and screaming "I hope you die" at them before they do.

They die in exactly the same way though like 1000 criminals over a few weeks dying of a heart attack, again watch the Death Note series it points out what is a real world possible outcome of a book like that existing.

Also you don't see 1000's of criminals die every few weeks, Light takes it upon himself to write dozens if not 100+ names every single day. Yes used in a more discrete manner like you only go after some of the worst in the world it likely isn't as noticeable but the anime does not go that route.

If you saw a headline in the news paper over the past 7 days 1000 criminals across the world were killed by a heart attack, that is a weird scenario and it would be huge news. Especially if some were younger where a heart attack is not common, if you are 25 years old the odds of you dying by heart attack are like in 1 in million even if you live a very unhealthy life.
Getting too damn old for this crap!
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Death Note simply because the power to end an existence would be fun. Imagine suddenly making countries panic because someone like say the USA President ended up dead mysteriously dead 1 morning and nobody could figure who did it.
keyblader1985 posted...
They die however you want them to die.

In the anime he only figures that out later, at first if you write the name with no context it's a heart attack.
Getting too damn old for this crap!
But WE know that. So talking about everyone dying of a heart attack is pointless even as a hypothetical.
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Blightzkrieg posted...
I think it is realistic that he's careless at first and then has to be more cautious later though.
it's also more compelling than the alternative

Light's strengths as an interesting character are also his weaknesses narratively; he wants to be seen as a godlike figure so he can't have it be random if challenged. he needs the glory. we all can figure out better ways to utilize the death note than Light did, but would Ryuk have put up with a boring death note holder as long as he did with Light?

(granted this has little bearing on the topic since I'm assuming there's not a shinigami conspiring in this what-if scenario)
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Monopoman posted...
In the anime he only figures that out later, at first if you write the name with no context it's a heart attack.
He reads the rules and figures that out right away he just doesnt believe the notebook is legitimate. He goes out and tests an alternate method of killing immediately after recovering from the shock of his first kill via killing the would be rapist by having him get hit by a bus.
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Yeah he hides that he can kill by other methods for as long as possible. There are various characters he wants to kill without it being obvious that it was Kira. That is actually one of the smarter things he does.
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