MMR childhood vaccinations

I did get vaccinated and when I did get the measles as a kid, it wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been.

Measles is one of the most contagious diseases known to humans. Just one infected patient can spread measles up to nine out of 10 susceptible close contacts.

Measles can lead to blindness
encephalitis (an infection causing brain swelling and potentially brain damage)
severe diarrhoea and related dehydration
ear infections
severe breathing problems including pneumonia.

The incredibly STUPID thing about measles is that it evolved from a disease of cattle called rinderpest, a disease that was completely eradicated because of vaccines!

We could have done the same thing with measles, but NOOOO, vaccines are scary!

Vaccines are the second-greatest advancement in public health ever achieved (behind indoor plumbing, for obvious reasons). Naturally, that doesn't excuse them from an appropriate level of scrutiny and regulatory oversight, but the anti-vaxx movement's paranoia and phobia is ridiculous and has done immeasurable harm.

Yes. I'm not an idiot and neither are my parents. Also, every time I get a new one, my autism level increases exponentially. I'm competing to be the top Autist, so this is my big thing.

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That's a joke for anyone too stupid to realize it, because let's be honest, anyone who's anti-vax is unfathomably gullible.

I dont remember. Ive never been afflicted by any of the diseases, but if the vaccination was required/recommended to say, enter school, then I suppose I was.

Mystic_Myotis posted...

Yes. I'm not an idiot and neither are my parents.

captpackrat posted...

The incredibly STUPID thing about measles is that it evolved from a disease of cattle called rinderpest, a disease that was completely eradicated because of vaccines!

We could have done the same thing with measles, but NOOOO, vaccines are scary!

Yes, but, fwiw, nowadays we combine the measles vaccine with mumps and rubella.

Yes, we could have ended this variant from infecting anyone, we chose what we chose, and now everyone who wants to get vaccinated still has the same shot anyways! Everyone's worse off! :D

Mystic_Myotis posted...

Also, every time I get a new one, my autism level increases exponentially. I'm competing to be the top Autist, so this is my big thing.

Hollywood has taught me that autism makes you a super-genius capable of solving mysteries and mastering multiple forms of technology. So that's probably a great plan.

Yes. Until fairly recently, skipping them in the Netherlands only happened in our Bible belt, it'd take a specifically strict interpretation of Christianity that brought some parents to actively avoid them for their children. In recent years there is also a larger, though still minority group distrusting vaccinations, which especially with COVID became visible.

My folks, non-religious, had me vaccinated as a child as nearly all parents did. Myself nowadays, I see no objections to them, particularly not on religious grounds. My pastor said an interesting thing about refusing vaccination in 2020 or 2021: "It is curious if one prays: 'give us today our daily bread' and then refuses it when it is offered". For my part, not risking the health of others has always been my main motivation.

Yes.

I was raised in a Christian household but we were never so delulu that we'd avoid medical care.

Sashanan posted...

My pastor said an interesting thing about refusing vaccination in 2020 or 2021: "It is curious if one prays: 'give us today our daily bread' and then refuses it when it is offered".

Yeah, that always got me when anti-vaxxers during Covid were saying "I'm not getting the vaccine because I know God will protect me!" Like... maybe the vaccine is God's way of protecting you? If you're going to credit him with blessings like intelligence and economic prosperity, then it stands to reason that he also played a role in blessing others with the intelligence and economic footing needed to develop the vaccines so they could protect the world. It's also not like the Bible is short on examples of the people around you acting as proxies for God ("I was hungry and you fed me" as the most recognizable one).

The notion of "I believe God will protect me, but also that I won't have to do anything to receive that protection and it will take exactly the form I expect it to" seems pretty silly in the context of reams of Christian teachings that say exactly the opposite.

I enjoy the irony of a certain crowd referencing Andrew Wakefield's "study" as "proof" of the MMR vaccine causing autism. Oh, the study that, besides fabricating data, also perforated the colons of toddlers with unnecessary colonoscopies???

adjl posted...

It's also not like the Bible is short on examples of the people around you acting as proxies for God ("I was hungry and you fed me" as the most recognizable one).

It's also not like the Bible is short on examples of God just randomly killing tons of people off just to prove a point.

God: "Tell him to let your people go or I'll smite the shit out of them."

Moses: "Let my people go."

Pharaoh: "Okay."

Moses: "He said okay."

God: "Wait, what? Fuck that, I wanna smite some bitches. I've gotta send a message here, you know? Let everybody know God ain't nobody to fuck with. Okay... I guess I'll have to 'harden his heart' and make him change his mind so he literally can't let you go until I get my chance to show off these ten kick-ass plagues I've whipped up."

Moses: "Wait, so you're magically making him say no? So it's like... you're technically responsible for literally all of the suffering that's going to happen because you gave him an ultimatum that you yourself are preventing him from accepting?"

God: "Well, sure, it sounds bad when you put it that way. But I'm trying to make a point here, Moses."

Moses: "Okay, I get that... I suppose. What exactly are you planning to do, anyway?"

God: "Oh man, you're gonna love this. All kinds of shit. Locusts and frogs, plagues that kill off all their animals and people, I'm gonna turn the river into blood and kill all the fish. Then there's gonna be flaming hail! Just like, boom! And then I'm gonna murder all of their firstborn just for shits and giggles!"

Moses: "What?"

God: " Hell yeah. I'm going to fuck these Egyptian bastards straight to the bone , just because I can. And there's nothing they can do about it, because I'm mind-controlling their king into being an asshole about it so I can have an excuse. You should totally tell your kids and grandkids how fucking badass I am."

( That last line? Is pretty much a literal translation of Exodus 10:1-2 )

...and then he makes his favoritest people evar get lost and have to wander aimlessly through the desert for 40 years because they weren't sufficiently appreciative of him. Though he originally intended to murder the shit out of all of them until Moses begged him to change his mind.

That's not really a dude I want to trust to have my best interests at heart. How do I know if today's the day he decides he's going to protect and preserve me because he loves me, or if today's the day he's going to kill me on a whim because he doesn't think I'm devout enough, or just because he wants to fuck my entire life over like Jonah just to prove a point?

For that matter, maybe all the anti-vax people only believe it in the first place because God decided he wanted them to believe it, just so they'll all die off and serve as a object lesson for someone else? Then he can be like, "Hey, go get your shots, or you'll get sick like those dumbasses!"

And that's not even getting into the quite popular theory that all illness and plagues are just sent by God in the first place to punish all the people who are annoying him, and that you won't just get sick because you're gay or you don't go to Church enough or because you're part of the wrong denomination, but because you're tolerating and enabling other people to be gay or not pious enough. Doesn't really matter how much you love and believe in Jesus if God's decided you're on his list of people who need to die to punish modern society for letting women wear pants.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's also not like the Bible is short on examples of God just randomly killing tons of people off just to prove a point.

What does this have to do with Anti vaxxers refusing to accept God uses other people?

I mean, the rest of your post is just an anti Christianity post. It's not about the anti vaxxers at all.

No, my parents were idiots.

Yeah, but also got it again as an adult because I didn't want to have to track down a childhood vaccination record that likely only exists physically in storage, because my pediatrician was no longer practicing, so who knows where it ended up?

I can understand being skeptical of new vaccines but why would you be skeptical of one that has been around longer enough for us to understand the longterm effects?

Yes.

captpackrat posted...

The incredibly STUPID thing about measles is that it evolved from a disease of cattle called rinderpest, a disease that was completely eradicated because of vaccines!

We could have done the same thing with measles, but NOOOO, vaccines are scary!

Yep. Shit, it was damn near eradicated in the US without even a giant push to end it for good, but it's surging again. One would need an international push to be really effective, but the appetite doesn't seem to exist.

Measles were all but eliminated in the Netherlands through vaccination, but with a very limited group of people refusing vaccination over religious objections, it was not fully gone, and with a small but real group of skeptics also added to the mix in the country, has become more common, though at least not something that can become an epidemic. It feels so needless, though. We have the means.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's also not like the Bible is short on examples of God just randomly killing tons of people off just to prove a point.

God: "Tell him to let your people go or I'll smite the shit out of them."

Moses: "Let my people go."

Pharaoh: "Okay."

Moses: "He said okay."

God: "Wait, what? Fuck that, I wanna smite some bitches. I've gotta send a message here, you know? Let everybody know God ain't nobody to fuck with. Okay... I guess I'll have to 'harden his heart' and make him change his mind so he literally can't let you go until I get my chance to show off these ten kick-ass plagues I've whipped up."

Moses: "Wait, so you're magically making him say no? So it's like... you're technically responsible for literally all of the suffering that's going to happen because you gave him an ultimatum that you yourself are preventing him from accepting?"

God: "Well, sure, it sounds bad when you put it that way. But I'm trying to make a point here, Moses."

Moses: "Okay, I get that... I suppose. What exactly are you planning to do, anyway?"

God: "Oh man, you're gonna love this. All kinds of shit. Locusts and frogs, plagues that kill off all their animals and people, I'm gonna turn the river into blood and kill all the fish. Then there's gonna be flaming hail! Just like, boom! And then I'm gonna murder all of their firstborn just for shits and giggles!"

Moses: "What?"

God: " Hell yeah. I'm going to fuck these Egyptian bastards straight to the bone , just because I can. And there's nothing they can do about it, because I'm mind-controlling their king into being an asshole about it so I can have an excuse. You should totally tell your kids and grandkids how fucking badass I am."

( That last line? Is pretty much a literal translation of Exodus 10:1-2 )

...and then he makes his favoritest people evar get lost and have to wander aimlessly through the desert for 40 years because they weren't sufficiently appreciative of him. Though he originally intended to murder the shit out of all of them until Moses begged him to change his mind.

That's not really a dude I want to trust to have my best interests at heart. How do I know if today's the day he decides he's going to protect and preserve me because he loves me, or if today's the day he's going to kill me on a whim because he doesn't think I'm devout enough, or just because he wants to fuck my entire life over like Jonah just to prove a point?

For that matter, maybe all the anti-vax people only believe it in the first place because God decided he wanted them to believe it, just so they'll all die off and serve as a object lesson for someone else? Then he can be like, "Hey, go get your shots, or you'll get sick like those dumbasses!"

And that's not even getting into the quite popular theory that all illness and plagues are just sent by God in the first place to punish all the people who are annoying him, and that you won't just get sick because you're gay or you don't go to Church enough or because you're part of the wrong denomination, but because you're tolerating and enabling other people to be gay or not pious enough. Doesn't really matter how much you love and believe in Jesus if God's decided you're on his list of people who need to die to punish modern society for letting women wear pants.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

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MistyKnight posted...

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I'm shocked, shocked I say, that someone from the Trump administration would outright lie as such!

"I'm not anti-vaxx, I just want more studies to be done!"

You'll notice that the people that say things like this never have an answer for just how much study they want to see before they'll accept the conclusion. It's almost like there isn't actually such a threshold, and what they're actually saying is "I want you to keep studying this until you get results that match what I've already decided to believe," and are just hiding behind the pretense that they're being healthily skeptical so people don't call them out on their disingenuity.

MistyKnight posted...

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Why does he look like someone stuck his face in the microwave for way too long?

I got my PCV21 shot today.

Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine, 21-valent. Protects against 21 different forms of the bacteria Streptococcus pneumoniae.

They used to recommend a pneumococcal vaccine after age 65, but they recently dropped the minimum age limit for routine use to 50.

captpackrat posted...

Why does he look like someone stuck his face in the microwave for way too long?

old+steroids

And also brain worms.

I was vaccinated as a child.

adjl posted...

"I'm not anti-vaxx, I just want more studies to be done!"

You'll notice that the people that say things like this never have an answer for just how much study they want to see before they'll accept the conclusion. It's almost like there isn't actually such a threshold, and what they're actually saying is "I want you to keep studying this until you get results that match what I've already decided to believe," and are just hiding behind the pretense that they're being healthily skeptical so people don't call them out on their disingenuity.

The average person also isn't remotely qualified to weigh in on this. Like, even assuming someone was trying to be serious, and not a blatant anti-vaxxer, the average person lacks the knowledge or insight on the subject matter. Which is exactly why doctors and professionals and researchers handle this stuff, and not random people off of the street.

They also never question any other technology or scientific usage in their life. You'd need people always wondering how likely it would be for their cell phones to randomly explode for it to be logically consistent.

Yes, because thankfully my parents are not idiots.

Indeed. We had them at school.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/02/unvaccinated-school-aged-child-dies-of-measles-in-texas-amid-growing-outbreak/

Unvaccinated school-aged child dies of measles in Texas amid growing outbreak
It is the first measles death in the US since 2015.
Beth Mole Feb 26, 2025 10:59 AM

An unvaccinated, school-aged child in Texas has died of the measles amid an ongoing outbreak in the state that has so far infected at least 124 people, mostly children, sending at least 18 to the hospital. Additionally, nine measles cases have been confirmed across the border in New Mexico.

On Wednesday morning, the Lubbock health officials and the Department of State Health Services (DSHS) confirmed the death, which occurred within the last 24 hours.

It is the first death in the mushrooming outbreak in Texas, and it marks the first measles death in the country since 2015, when a woman with underlying health conditions in Washington state died amid an outbreak. The death highlighted the importance of maintaining high community vaccination rates to prevent the spread of the extremely infectious disease to vulnerable people. Prior to that, the US hadn't recorded a measles death since 2003.

In 2000, the US declared measles to be eliminated, meaning it no longer continuously spreads in the US. Outbreaks that occur have been limited and are generally sparked by cases linked to international travel. In the decade before the measles vaccine became available in 1963, it's estimated that 3 million to 4 million people were infected each year, leading to 48,000 hospitalizations, 1,000 cases of encephalitis (swelling of the brain), and 400 to 500 deaths annually, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

While the elimination of measles from the US through population-wide vaccination efforts is a public health triumph, the victory over the virus is eroding amid slipping vaccination rates nationwide. In 2019, the country narrowly avoided losing its elimination status after 1,274 cases were documented that year, largely from outbreaks in close-knit unvaccinated Orthodox Jewish communities in New York.

Ongoing outbreak

The current outbreak in Texas also involves a close-knit religious communityMennonitesthat has largely eschewed vaccination. The outbreak began in late January in Gaines County, which sits at the border with New Mexico. The county is one of the least vaccinated in the state, with coverage among kindergartners in the previous school year at just about 82 percent. That's significantly below the 95 percent threshold considered needed to prevent vaccine-preventable diseases from spreading in a community.

Since the outbreak began in Gaines, cases have risen to 124, now scattered across a total of nine Texas counties. There are also nine cases across the border from Gaines in New Mexico's Lea County. It remains unclear how cases spread to the state.

Of the 124 cases in Texas, 101 are in children, including 39 in children aged 0 to 4, some of whom may be too young to vaccinate. All but five of the 124 cases were unvaccinated. The CDC recommends all children get two doses of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella vaccine (MMR), one at 12 to 15 months of age and the second between the ages of 4 and 6. One dose is considered 93 percent effective at preventing measles, and two are considered 97 percent effective.

Measles is one of the most contagious diseases known. The virus travels through the air and can linger in the airspace of a room for up to two hours after an infected person has been present. Among unvaccinated people exposed to the virus, 90 percent will become infected.

In the US, about 20 percent of people with measles are typically hospitalized. Five percent develop pneumonia, and up to 3 in 1,000 die of the infection. Later in life, measles can also cause a fatal disease of the central nervous system called Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis. And the virus can erase immune responses to other infections (a phenomenon known as immune amnesia), making people vulnerable to various illnesses.