I feel like America has become a very mentally unhealthy country

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bachewychomp posted...
I still see teenagers at the mall pretty often, granted when I go to the mall I'm not there to "hang out", so I don't know if they're there all day . It can get pretty busy but I feel like it never gets crazy busy, like it was built with way more parking than it seems to need anymore.

I actually think about this pretty often when I go to any kind of store (mall or not). I feel like you never see places just packed anymore, and it's kind of sad. Amazon is lot of the reason to blame for it, but even physical retail sees a lot of online pickup orders now. That is one area I wish people would make the choice not to engage in, though I get it that some people might not find it fun to walk the aisles if they already know exactly what they want. It's even worse with fast food restaurants because they incentivize the apps with deals, and places like McDonald's (not that it was ever the peak of dining experiences) are making their dining rooms feel actively hostile.

All this removing and optimizing away the human experience of commerce is just contributes more to the feelings of dread and that you're only valued for how you can fill someone else's wallet. I could go on and on about the physical design of these spaces too, but I won't. I'm guilty of loving self-checkout though

I mean lets be honest the idea of driving to get what you want only to find out they dont have what you need isnt great

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NightMareBunny posted...


I mean lets be honest the idea of driving to get what you want only to find out they dont have what you need isnt great



I wish those online product finders actually worked.
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Revelation34 posted...
I wish those online product finders actually worked.
I wish I had a nickel for every time I had to tell customers that the product finder isn't updated in real time. At best it's updated once a twice a week.
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BADoglick posted...
I could more readily buy the argument from the right that shootings are a mental health issue and not a gun issue if they wanted to take broad steps to address mental health in this country but instead it's more of an attack against those with mental health struggles.
I always take them seriously. They seriously believe that the solution to gun violence is more guns. It's insanity.

Midnight_Hammer posted...
I'm absolutely fine with opening up asylums again and getting people help.
You're right, that country is terminally ill. There's nothing we can do outside of palliative care. It's best to only focus on the symptoms.

papercup posted...
So America is currently experiencing total systemic collapse, the disappearance of the middle class, the job market is fucked. The housing market is fucked. Basic necessities are becoming unaffordable. The government is corrupt to hell and back. Etc etc etc. and your only take away is that sometimes people eat McDonalds. Bravo. Not to mention fast food consumption is actually down, because of said price increases.
Well, its dictator does love McDonald's. Maybe it's related.

pedro45 posted...
You can't force treatment on someone. Then someone has the power to deem someone else as needing treatment.
You had husbands lobotomizing their wives.
Maybe it's time for wives to lobotomize their husbands. Someone should ask Melania.

Flappers posted...
They're probably afraid of getting shot. I don't go to things like fairs because I'm too worried about there being a shooter. Nowhere is safe. My mom went to a festival and had a hard time enjoying it because she just kept thinking "wow this would be the perfect place for a shooter". It got shot up two days later. Oddly, this isn't the first time she had a bad feeling that turned out to be true. We were going to see a movie one night but she had that feeling and we didn't go. That's how we avoided being in the Aurora theatre shooting. Hell, I've had a gun waved at me from someone driving in front of us. It can happen anywhere. Schools, concerts, churches, grocery stores...
Sounds like a case of confirmation bias. If I go outside being paranoid that it might start to rain, I'm bound to predict it correctly every now and then. This isn't a dismissal. It's just a cheeky way of saying that shootings are just as common as rain in your country.

bachewychomp posted...
I do agree fast food as it is now is a disaster for America. But like, if we had healthier fast food options that were affordable, I think people would eat them more. Hence not everything is a "choice", or at least that it would clearly be easier to make better choices if we had a society that was set up for them.
My mother loves to buy junk food. I was raised with junk food. I would have eaten healthier if she didn't bring so much junk food home. I didn't have a choice. It's so different when I do my own groceries now.

bachewychomp posted...
On a side note, I think the day-to-day fear that Flappers is talking about like if you go to any big public space you will be a shooting victim is irrational, but having some kind of existential, broad fear isn't unreasonable. We live in a country that has a longstanding history of perpetuating abuse of people, yet has the gall to act like the good guy who is the beacon of freedom and prosperity
Which is why the rest of the world hates the US or laughs at it.
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Falgos posted...
I seen people judge others over age and harass folk over mental health. It's pathetic.
I can understand the logic (or lack thereof) behind hating mentally ill people. The haters love to feel superior and believe they'll never be like the people they deem inferior. But old age? Are they planning on killing themselves on their 60th birthday or something? If you work to improve the lives of old people now, you'll benefit from that work in the future. It's funny how selfishness leads to self-sabotage. I would think that a selfish person would want to secure their future, acting only for their best interest. But no, that type of person isn't the type to think that far ahead. They're not smart. This is why we have old people blaming younger generations for their own failures. They're literally ruling the world. They're the ones who ruined the lives of future generations.

Armoured-Mewtwo posted...
Britain has also become very mentally unhealthy too. There's no easy answer for this regression.
They worship the rich and powerful, giving them money so that they stay rich and powerful. It's no different from someone giving all of their paychecks to their abusive spouse.

willythemailboy posted...
I wish I had a nickel for every time I had to tell customers that the product finder isn't updated in real time. At best it's updated once a twice a week.
Once or twice a week?! In what utopia are you living in? I was unable to find a food product in my local grocery store despite the manufacturer's website saying they were selling it there. I literally called all grocery stores in my city that were listed as clients. None of them had seen that product anywhere. It's been years and it still hasn't been updated.
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Accrovideogames posted...
Once or twice a week?! In what utopia are you living in? I was unable to find a food product in my local grocery store despite the manufacturer's website saying they were selling it there. I literally called all grocery stores in my city that were listed as clients. None of them had seen that product anywhere. It's been years and it still hasn't been updated.
I was referring to the listing on the store side, not the manufacturer side. Like if you check the Walmart website and it says the store near you has product in stock, but it may or may not be there when you go to buy it. They definitely carry the product but it's hit or miss whether there's any on the shelf at any given time.
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Accrovideogames posted...
I can understand the logic (or lack thereof) behind hating mentally ill people. The haters love to feel superior and believe they'll never be like the people they deem inferior.
That's like 99% of the 40 year olds here. I think different from others and I am on the spectrum. Once had someone tell me I cant enjoy something old due to my age. I'll be 25.

I abhor most modern games and 3D stuff. I don't play Minecraft or shit like that. Autism does get flak due to some people assume some like CWC or Andy Ditch all act like that. We don't claim those people, same with the ones who just latch onto preschool tat like Bluey or Thomas.

Some of my other problems came from stress and how I was treated in my youth. I decided to help meself with things and it helped. Better than how my folks treated me and wanted me to be like "everyone".
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NightMareBunny posted...
I mean lets be honest the idea of driving to get what you want only to find out they dont have what you need isnt great

Sure that makes sense for Amazon, but if you're online ordering for a retail pickup, then presumably they have that item in stock, so you could've just gone in for it. Then again, by the point where you've confirmed an item is in stock it makes sense to just order it ahead, and even if you didn't, heading straight for it within the store isn't the same as browsing the store.

I still try to just "wing it" with shopping a lot of the time, but I do find what you say is unfortunately true a lot of the time. And it's not like unusual stuff, but stuff that 20 years ago you would've expected to easily find inside the store. Now that they have online ordering as a crutch (whether it's for home delivery or just to deliver to your local store for pickup), they don't have to carry things as reliably. Unfortunately instead of driving customers away it just drives them to order online, since any similar competitor is going to be doing the same thing anyway.

acesxhigh posted...
I feel like people have too much freedom, no shame, no consequences, but still people get fed up, try to police each other and the problem gets worse.
Umm the problem is that we don't have enough freedom. There is too many laws prohibiting things for no good reason in this country. There is a reason people from Europe scoff at the idea that we are the most free country in the world. We should really get back to that.

We need more freedom for the citizens and less freedom for corporations
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Muscles posted...
Umm the problem is that we don't have enough freedom. There is too many laws prohibiting things for no good reason in this country. There is a reason people from Europe scoff at the idea that we are the most free country in the world. We should really get back to that.

We need more freedom for the citizens and less freedom for corporations
Europe? The place that literally banned porn?
No sorry, America is still much more free than most of Europe. At least so far. Yes in America you cannot criticise the president, and you do not have freedom of the press. But you can still buy and own a gun, you can still defend yourselves.
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SinisterSlay posted...
No sorry, America is still much more free than most of Europe

unless you burn a flag, which used to be a form of free speech.
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ooger posted...
unless you burn a flag, which used to be a form of free speech.
I haven't heard anything about that law.
Is it no longer the standard "you can burn your own flag but not someone elses"?
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SinisterSlay posted...
I haven't heard anything about that law.
Is it no longer the standard "you can burn your own flag but not someone elses"?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/prosecuting-burning-of-the-american-flag/

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ooger posted...
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/prosecuting-burning-of-the-american-flag/
LOL.
So I guess now you are forced to leave old torn flags up forever since it's illegal to dispose of them?

Ok I admit you may be surpassing the standard Europe oppression. At this rate your going to have a TV tax if you watch anything except Fox news.
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Very fun times, right?! /s
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ooger posted...
Very fun times, right?! /s
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Europe has way better government food standards than the US

Europe is 44 countries with double the population of the USA. Where specifically are you talking about?
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ooger posted...
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/prosecuting-burning-of-the-american-flag/
Pfft, good luck enforcing that
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Muscles posted...
Pfft, good luck enforcing that

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/army-veteran-detained-outside-white-house-after-burning-american-flag
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ooger posted...
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/army-veteran-detained-outside-white-house-after-burning-american-flag
Outside the white house is just making it easy for them.
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ooger posted...
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/army-veteran-detained-outside-white-house-after-burning-american-flag
Sounds like that guy is about to get a fat payout
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Muscles posted...
Sounds like that guy is about to get a fat payout

Oh yeah? How do you think that will work?
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ooger posted...
Oh yeah? How do you think that will work?
He'll get detained, go to court, and the court will rule it was a violation of his 1st amendment rights
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dj1200 posted...
Europe is 44 countries with double the population of the USA. Where specifically are you talking about?

The European Union
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Mental health seems to be a "non marketable political topic" to politicians and companies.

Probably because it's not obviously physically visible and difficult for a majority of people to understand.

It also seems like acknowledging the issue at all would be admitting to the widespread issue they don't want to admit exists because they have no angle to gain (personal gain) from doing so, aside from maybe pharmaceutical companies selling pills for it.
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Muscles posted...
He'll get detained, go to court, and the court will rule it was a violation of his 1st amendment rights

Sure, unless it gets up to the supreme court and to a shadow docket.

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TigerTycoon posted...
Mental health seems to be a "non marketable political topic" to politicians and companies.

Probably because it's not obviously physically visible and difficult for a majority of people to understand.

It also seems like acknowledging the issue at all would be admitting to the widespread issue they don't want to admit exists because they have no angle to gain (personal gain) from doing so, aside from maybe pharmaceutical companies selling pills for it.

There is no widespread mental health crisis, at least not in the pathological way that's implied by the vague overtures that politicians make when they need a convenient deflection from other issues. The "mental health crisis" is that they don't care about our well-being at all (politicians or companies, which are functionally the same thing with how the US operates) and, whether or not some people know it, I think just about everyone can feel it. So you are right that they don't want to actually touch the topic, because they are the problem.
willythemailboy posted...

I wish I had a nickel for every time I had to tell customers that the product finder isn't updated in real time. At best it's updated once a twice a week.


Nah I meant it will show a product at a location that doesn't even carry it.
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bachewychomp posted...
Sure that makes sense for Amazon, but if you're online ordering for a retail pickup, then presumably they have that item in stock, so you could've just gone in for it. Then again, by the point where you've confirmed an item is in stock it makes sense to just order it ahead, and even if you didn't, heading straight for it within the store isn't the same as browsing the store.

I still try to just "wing it" with shopping a lot of the time, but I do find what you say is unfortunately true a lot of the time. And it's not like unusual stuff, but stuff that 20 years ago you would've expected to easily find inside the store. Now that they have online ordering as a crutch (whether it's for home delivery or just to deliver to your local store for pickup), they don't have to carry things as reliably. Unfortunately instead of driving customers away it just drives them to order online, since any similar competitor is going to be doing the same thing anyway.

unless youll be out of the house anyways its dumb to go shopping for something you could order online easily

I think a lot of people will agree that you save a lot of time by doing that instead of going to the store and proceeding to waste time simply browsing the different sections

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Revelation34 posted...
Nah I meant it will show a product at a location that doesn't even carry it.
I have never had that happen.
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Actually, I feel the whole world has become very mentally unhealthy.

However, I've heard many times that out of the developed countries, America spends the most on healthcare but has the worst health.
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we_dey posted...
I think people need to cheer up a bit.
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willythemailboy posted...
I wish I had a nickel for every time I had to tell customers that the product finder isn't updated in real time. At best it's updated once a twice a week.

That's always a little unintuitive, since one would expect that in the year of our lord 2025 inventory systems should be able to update themselves automatically whenever a sale is made and the online product finder should be able to tap into that real-time data, but I guess there are a lot of legacy inventory systems out there that aren't fully integrated with the PoS system or online tracking, which the general public doesn't necessarily recognize or appreciate.
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adjl posted...
That's always a little unintuitive, since one would expect that in the year of our lord 2025 inventory systems should be able to update themselves automatically whenever a sale is made and the online product finder should be able to tap into that real-time data, but I guess there are a lot of legacy inventory systems out there that aren't fully integrated with the PoS system or online tracking, which the general public doesn't necessarily recognize or appreciate.
Dealing with that often, I can answer.
You don't want production websites accessing internal data like that. That leads to data breaches.

So instead the sites maintain their own copies of the data, and usually either a cron job, or a queue updates matching changes with the source. This is where your time delay comes from.
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SinisterSlay posted...
Dealing with that often, I can answer.
You don't want production websites accessing internal data like that. That leads to data breaches.

So instead the sites maintain their own copies of the data, and usually either a cron job, or a queue updates matching changes with the source. This is where your time delay comes from.

Makes sense. "Surely it must be possible to isolate the inventory data from everything else for security reasons" is the obvious response, but I guess that's exactly what those extra steps do.
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adjl posted...
That's always a little unintuitive, since one would expect that in the year of our lord 2025 inventory systems should be able to update themselves automatically whenever a sale is made and the online product finder should be able to tap into that real-time data, but I guess there are a lot of legacy inventory systems out there that aren't fully integrated with the PoS system or online tracking, which the general public doesn't necessarily recognize or appreciate.
There's also the minor fact that the digital inventory may not match the physical inventory, and other than individual manual fixes for obvious errors the physical inventory is only done once or maybe twice a year. So if my physical inventory is off by half a case of whatever, it will show as in stock even if I've been sold out for a week.
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Yep, complicated by the fact that there are ways physical inventories can change that don't go through the PoS system (theft, breakage, deciding what happens with a return...) and therefore require manual updates that may or may not happen (especially in the case of theft, where you might not even notice that it happened until you do a full inventory).
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NightMareBunny posted...
unless youll be out of the house anyways its dumb to go shopping for something you could order online easily

I think a lot of people will agree that you save a lot of time by doing that instead of going to the store and proceeding to waste time simply browsing the different sections

I kinda like going to the store, cause I don't get out of the house much otherwise. A lot of that is definitely a me problem, and I wouldn't say shopping is exactly my idea of a "fun" outing, but I think I'm not alone in this day and age that I just don't really know where to go. And again, this all started talking about malls, which are functionally little more than big shopping centers, but were commonly viewed as places to hang out.

I think we're experiencing a lot of issues that are the result of accepting changes to day-to-day life in the name of convenience. No one thing is all that bad but together they add up. You probably weren't gonna have that chance encounter at the store, but I think even those collections of little interactions help us feel in touch with our humanity. Now as a result of our current culture, you got people who are like, afraid to talk to cashiers. Even when the interaction is usually little more than "hey", "here you go", "thank you", etc., some people treat this as fearfully as asking someone out on a date.

And what do a lot of people do with the time they "save" not making a trip to the store? I assume some genuinely spend it well, but at lot of people are just scrolling on their phones. They're watching pointless TikToks and reels. Maybe a pointless YouTube video instead, or binge watching some trashy TV. They're downloading more games to add to the list of unplayed games they own. We do these things not because they fulfill us, but because they are convenient. And when everyone around us is doing the same thing, we don't know where to turn to find people to have nice, in-person interactions with to pull us out of that trap.
Sorry for getting on my soapbox but I guess it's on-topic.

Maybe this is also just how adulthood in America has always been. I became an adult around the same time all these things that I think contribute to loneliness started happening, so it's hard to separate for me. Some of the reasons adults are lonely is because school exposes you to more people, so that part isn't new. But there is plenty of data that loneliness is rising compared to previous generations so I think there's something there
NightMareBunny posted...
unless youll be out of the house anyways its dumb to go shopping for something you could order online easily

I think a lot of people will agree that you save a lot of time by doing that instead of going to the store and proceeding to waste time simply browsing the different sections
Unless you wanna get it within an hour
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NightMareBunny posted...
unless youll be out of the house anyways its dumb to go shopping for something you could order online easily

I think a lot of people will agree that you save a lot of time by doing that instead of going to the store and proceeding to waste time simply browsing the different sections
You think its dumb for people wanting to get out of the house?

Thats certainly a take.
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The social/isolation problem is worldwide, fuck the oligarchs. Im glad I dont live in America though. Im sorry for all of you who are stuck and just coping there with how quickly it sounds like its been getting worse. Used to be a dream of mine to visit and now I think I never want to.
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Dorsia posted...
The social/isolation problem is worldwide, fuck the oligarchs.

That's true. As much as I want to point to (North) American suburbs as a problem, we had bad suburbs before but weren't as lonely,. I still think the suburbs here are trash, but it seems like smartphones and readily available internet are what's destroying our ability to socialize. And again no one thing is really to blame, but when you start taking human contact out of every single interaction it starts to become noticeable.
bachewychomp posted...
That's true. As much as I want to point to (North) American suburbs as a problem, we had bad suburbs before but weren't as lonely,. I still think the suburbs here are trash, but it seems like smartphones and readily available internet are what's destroying our ability to socialize. And again no one thing is really to blame, but when you start taking human contact out of every single interaction it starts to become noticeable.
Why would suburbs make you lonely? There's a lot of stuff to do in suburbs. I imagine it's worse in rural areas where no one is around or in cities where there is too many people that its overwhelming and you have to keep your guard up at all times
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Revelation34 posted...
Wat.
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Midnight_Hammer posted...
I'm absolutely fine with opening up asylums again and getting people help.
Problem is, beyond what others have said, this wouldn't fix shootings. Even in this magically world where the US throws it's entire weight into a full, comprehension, sea-to-sea mental health reform and treated it with the urgency of a national crisis, you can't compel or force people to get mental help. But what's more, mass shooters don't tend to be "mental" - plenty pass mental health passes with flying colors, before or after said shootings. This is because people assume something *must* be mentally wrong with you to shoot up people, but it's circular reasoning.

Going after the guns themselves would be FAR more effective and easy to do, and we already have proof of this. The mental health angle has always been a red herring.
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...
Problem is, beyond what others have said, this wouldn't fix shootings. Even in this magically world where the US throws it's entire weight into a full, comprehension, sea-to-sea mental health reform and treated it with the urgency of a national crisis, you can't compel or force people to get mental help. But what's more, mass shooters don't tend to be "mental" - plenty pass mental health passes with flying colors, before or after said shootings. This is because people assume something *must* be mentally wrong with you to shoot up people, but it's circular reasoning.

Going after the guns themselves would be FAR more effective and easy to do, and we already have proof of this. The mental health angle has always been a red herring.

Or! And hear me out...why not both?
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pedro45 posted...
Or! And hear me out...why not both?
Respectable gun legislation and respectable funding and research into mental health
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adjl posted...
Yep, complicated by the fact that there are ways physical inventories can change that don't go through the PoS system (theft, breakage, deciding what happens with a return...) and therefore require manual updates that may or may not happen (especially in the case of theft, where you might not even notice that it happened until you do a full inventory).

This.

Operational errors/shrink are usually what causes this. The last 3 places I've managed inventory for updated their online inventory in (nearly) real time. If someone steals something that inventory will be off until someone does a count on that product from it being short on an order, or yearly inventory, or noticing its empty on the shelf but shows on hand.

Cashier errors. Cashier scans a blue widget and enters a qty of 4, but customer has 1 blue widget and 3 red widgets, and they are different UPCs.

Receiving/shipping errors. Warehouse says it ships a case, but it never got loaded. Most big box stores receive their warehouse trucks on "good faith" meaning that they only detail check in items meeting a certain dollar value threshold.

Many other reasons as well, but that gives you an idea.
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