google chrome is banning ad blockers to 'preserve privacy'

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The first problem there is you were using Google Chrome in the first place.
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I thought it was just manifest v3.

Well hope it's true. That would save Firefox.
Or just switch to Brave. Which is significantly better than Chrome.
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uBO Lite works fine.
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For a website to even know you are running an adblock is a violation of your privacy
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Lokarin posted...
For a website to even know you are running an adblock is a violation of your privacy
Uhh no it's not. It's basic DOM monitoring. If you're tampering with the DOM of a site, then the site can do whatever it wants to add those elements back in. You're lucky that they aren't more aggressive about this type of stuff.
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Judgmenl posted...
Uhh no it's not. It's basic DOM monitoring. If you're tampering with the DOM of a site, then the site can do whatever it wants to add those elements back in. You're lucky that they aren't more aggressive about this type of stuff.

In the EU it is breaking a privacy law, or atleast web sites having that knowledge and acting on it is.
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Judgmenl posted...
Uhh no it's not. It's basic DOM monitoring. If you're tampering with the DOM of a site, then the site can do whatever it wants to add those elements back in. You're lucky that they aren't more aggressive about this type of stuff.
Were you going to explain what DOM means so that your post actually makes sense?
No it's not. Monitoring the DOM is not a violation of the GDPR. Why do people make this shit up? This would be like saying that a site does not have access to the form data input by its users. Do you think sites are 100% fully end to end encrypted and the backend has no visibility in the messages being posted?

Fuck, this would be like saying that all userscripts and browser addons are in violation of the GDPR because they can tamper with user data.

Also hilariously enough the GDPR is a joke. I work for a cybersecurity company that has customers in Europe and our EPP software exfiltrates massive amounts of telemetry without the end user even being aware that our software is running. Said software is constantly scanning all of memory and could collect whatever personal information it wanted to (but we don't do this) to be sent up to our servers. This is also literally what any video game's anticheat can do and I've never seen a single GDPR warning for any game with anticheat.

You guys do understand there is zero privacy right?
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Do you not actually know what "DOM monitoring" (an apparent redundancy) means? Or were you so injured by my passive aggressiveness that you don't want to answer? I really would like to know what you're talking about when you say that. If you don't want to explain yourself then why speak up at all? Adding quite literally nothing to the conversation.

Because as far as I know ad blockers like uBO work entirely on the host machine within your browser, which seems to me makes it nobody's business but my own. It's my browser, so I should be able to determine exactly what is or isn't displayed within it.

I doubt anybody takes the W3C seriously anymore, but google is a member, and one of their stated ethical principals is that websites should never restrict what users can do with their browser, including using blockers of unwanted content.
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Do you not actually know what "DOM monitoring" (an apparent redundancy) means? Or were you so injured by my passive aggressiveness that you don't want to answer? I really would like to know what you're talking about when you say that. If you don't want to explain yourself then why speak up at all? Adding quite literally nothing to the conversation.

Because as far as I know ad blockers like uBO work entirely on the host machine within your browser, which seems to me makes it nobody's business but my own. It's my browser, so I should be able to determine exactly what is or isn't displayed within it.

I doubt anybody takes the W3C seriously anymore, but google is a member, and one of their stated ethical principals is that websites should never restrict what users can do with their browser, including using blockers of unwanted content.
I've never tried but I guess you could use the DOM mutation watchers to figure out something is not right.
Probably easier to calculate your styles and see if the spot where the ad is supposed to be is blank.

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They blocked uBlock Origin months ago (maybe even a year ago?). But yeah, it's an absurd justification, considering even law enforcement suggests people use ad blocker for privacy and security reasons. However, stuff like that cuts into the company's profits. Considered the company has walked its way back from its old "Don't Be Evil" motto, it seems pretty invested in all that evil.

I try to avoid Chrome for the most part now since other ad blockers don't work as well. (And iirc, I wasn't able to get an ad blocker to work on my phone's version of Chrome, so I stuck with Firefox.)
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You can still use ad blockers in Edge.

Which means that Edge is the better browser.
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captpackrat posted...
Which means that Edge is the better browser.

Chrome was always the inferior browser since it used so much RAM and it was made by Google.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...
The first problem there is you were using Google Chrome in the first place.
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SinisterSlay posted...
Or just switch to Brave. Which is significantly better than Chrome.
For NOW.

Brave is Chromium, along with Edge and Opera.
Chromium is maintained by google who forced through the manifest v3 update.

You don't think they're gonna force changes on chromium that all these browsers are forced to take up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)

Realistically firefox is the only one outside of that walled garden.

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badjay posted...
For NOW.

Brave is Chromium, along with Edge and Opera.
Chromium is maintained by google who forced through the manifest v3 update.

You don't think they're gonna force changes on chromium that all these browsers are forced to take up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)

Realistically firefox is the only one outside of that walled garden.
Brave does not use plugins to block ads or those damn cookie accept messages. So it is unaffected by the change
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so it tracks the doms but what about the subs
Judgmenl posted...
No it's not. Monitoring the DOM is not a violation of the GDPR. Why do people make this shit up? This would be like saying that a site does not have access to the form data input by its users. Do you think sites are 100% fully end to end encrypted and the backend has no visibility in the messages being posted?

Fuck, this would be like saying that all userscripts and browser addons are in violation of the GDPR because they can tamper with user data.

Also hilariously enough the GDPR is a joke. I work for a cybersecurity company that has customers in Europe and our EPP software exfiltrates massive amounts of telemetry without the end user even being aware that our software is running. Said software is constantly scanning all of memory and could collect whatever personal information it wanted to (but we don't do this) to be sent up to our servers. This is also literally what any video game's anticheat can do and I've never seen a single GDPR warning for any game with anticheat.

You guys do understand there is zero privacy right?

judg

dom monitoring is only allowed under gdpr for employees of a business
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They already stopped uBlock from been able to be downloaded so I use firefox.
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SinisterSlay posted...
Brave does not use plugins to block ads or those damn cookie accept messages. So it is unaffected by the change

Intriguing. I might pick that as my second browser.
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heIly posted...
dom monitoring is only allowed under gdpr for employees of a business
I'm just tired of people being snitty cause of trite crap like privacy. This is coming from someone who works in Cybersecurity and owns basically every Google device you can think of besides some of their home stuff.
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i don't care either way, nothing is actually private on the internet, even if they claim they follow gdpr, there's already tons of examples of that just not actually being true
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It's not true and there's no enforcement and government agencies are above the law anyways. The only time this will ever matter is if a too big to fail service provider (Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple specifically) have a major data breach that causes passwords to leak on the dark web. Then people knowing your browsing history is going to be the least of your worries.
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heIly posted...
judg

dom monitoring is only allowed under gdpr for employees of a business
Lol.
So what, your saying fontawesome is illegal now?
Because it monitors the DOM looking for i tags to replace them with vector graphics.
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SinisterSlay posted...
Lol.
So what, your saying fontawesome is illegal now?
Because it monitors the DOM looking for i tags to replace them with vector graphics.

if fontawesome is hosted locally, then it does not violate gdpr.
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heIly posted...
if fontawesome is hosted locally, then it does not violate gdpr.
Hosted? Its a JS library. You run it on your computer. It downloads the SVG graphics and it replaces in real time.

It's on nearly every website.
https://fontawesome.com/icons

And here is the mutation API for monitoring DOM changes.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MutationObserver

I think it is important to remember law makers have zero fucking clue how anything works. And no one thinks to ask the programmers.
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b b but i love chrome
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b b but i love chrome
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SinisterSlay posted...
Hosted? Its a JS library. You run it on your computer. It downloads the SVG graphics and it replaces in real time.

It's on nearly every website.
https://fontawesome.com/icons

And here is the mutation API for monitoring DOM changes.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MutationObserver

I think it is important to remember law makers have zero fucking clue how anything works. And no one thinks to ask the programmers.

fontawesome can be hosted locally on the companies servers, or it can be hosted remotely from fontawesome itself through its own cdn. all this does is dictate where the actual files are pulled from to show for you.

the former is fine under gdpr, the latter isn't.

idk what else to tell you man, fontawesome isn't always locally hosted, and if it's not then it's not gdpr compliant.

if you really wanna debate this, go find one of the thousands of stackexchange threads talking about it.
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You do understand the vast majority of frontend javascript libraries are hosted via cdn right?

Also is this a gdpr violation? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9f5d8213.png
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That was inevitable after they reduced how good an adblocker could be "for security".
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heIly posted...
fontawesome can be hosted locally on the companies servers, or it can be hosted remotely from fontawesome itself through its own cdn. all this does is dictate where the actual files are pulled from to show for you.

the former is fine under gdpr, the latter isn't.

idk what else to tell you man, fontawesome isn't always locally hosted, and if it's not then it's not gdpr compliant.

if you really wanna debate this, go find one of the thousands of stackexchange threads talking about it.
So everyone using a Google font is not compliant?
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captpackrat posted...
You can still use ad blockers in Edge.

Which means that Edge is the better browser.
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I'd be hard-pressed to find a browser that's worse than vanilla Chrome.
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