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Nah, DBZ characters are way stronger than a Shinigami. Vegeta, Goku, Vegito, and Jiren have all shown immunity or very strong resistance to hax magical abilities. Hit's time-skip, Buu's candy ray, Babidi's mind control, etc. have all basically failed against them.

The wish-granting dragon can't even affect them if they don't want to be affected. What the heck is a human-level shinigami going to do?

Now, if you were to put Aizen against them, we'd have a fight.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Nah, DBZ characters are way stronger than a Shinigami. Vegeta, Goku, Vegito, and Jiren have all shown immunity or very strong resistance to hax magical abilities. Hit's time-skip, Buu's candy ray, Babidi's mind control, etc. have all basically failed against them.

The wish-granting dragon can't even affect them if they don't want to be affected. What the heck is a human-level shinigami going to do?

Now, if you were to put Aizen against them, we'd have a fight.

Goku dies to a heart attack canonically lol
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DeadSite posted...
Goku dies to a heart attack canonically lol
Not a heart attack. A specific heart virus that's fan-theorized to have come from an alien world. Still, it's a natural cause, not a magical assault on his body.
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Do Saiyans count as humans for purposes of the Death Note?

Would she have to write in "Son Goku" or "Kakarot" in order to kill him?

If Goku is already dead (i.e. visiting from Other World), this whole plan wouldn't even work.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Not a heart attack. A specific heart virus that's fan-theorized to have come from an alien world. Still, it's a natural cause, not a magical assault on his body.

Death Notes/Shinigami aren't magical they're extra dimensional beings, and the deaths they grant aren't magical they're conducted by the literal king of death

FL81 posted...
Do Saiyans count as humans for purposes of the Death Note?

Would she have to write in "Son Goku" or "Kakarot" in order to kill him?

She would be able to see his real name anyways so a completely moot point
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DeadSite posted...
the deaths they grant aren't magical they're conducted by the literal king of death
Using which method?
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DeadSite posted...
Death Notes/Shinigami aren't magical they're extra dimensional beings, and the deaths they grant aren't magical they're conducted by the literal king of death
The closest equivalents would be the Kais and King Enma who rule the afterlife, and they've been shown to be unable to handle most of the stronger fighters.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Using which method?

Unknown but it's not insisted upon as magical afaik in Death Note, more like they exist in a dimension that mortals cannot perceive

EmbraceOfDeath posted...
The closest equivalents would be the Kais and King Enma who rule the afterlife, and they've been shown to be unable to handle most of the stronger fighters.

Not really they'd be more equivalent to Beerus as literal gods who feed off the life force of humans
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
By the time she could see his real name she would be dead.
You act like Goku would actually speed blitz Misa instead of seeing what she would do with the book
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goku wants to defeat misa at her most powerful
goku defeat misa before allowing her to write his name in the deathnote
if he survives a heart attack, he would still allow other attempts through non-heart attack methods

She solos every non diety of dragonball damn

Wait nevermind there are robots that should be immune to death note. Like the one that weighs 1000 tons and requires dbs ssj vegeta to outpower!
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Ratchetrockon posted...
She solos every non diety of dragonball damn

Wait nevermind there are robots that should be immune to death note. Like the one that weighs 1000 tons and requires dbs ssj vegeta to outpower!
They arent immune. Misa could write a scenario where someone gets into a fight or accident something and it involves the destruction of the robot
Kloe_Rinz posted...
They arent immune. Misa could write a scenario where someone gets into a fight or accident something and it involves the destruction of the robot

Dqamn then maybe she solos the entire canon db verse now

Not sure about db heroes that have characters w/ greater hax and immunities
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
They arent immune. Misa could write a scenario where someone gets into a fight or accident something and it involves the destruction of the robot
I mean, they're immune because they aren't alive. They're robots. androids 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20, 21, Mageta, and others are totally immune to the death note,; it would fail for the same reason she couodnt kill a car with a death note. Along with joke characters like Arale, and probably the angels.

Hell, probably Buu, too; his physiology is so weird that he breaks way too many rules of the death note that would cause it to fail.

Anyway:

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I mean that happens right away and is probably supposed to be obvious
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Actually I take it back. Misa, light, ryuk, they all fail miserably. It's right their in the rules:

"The HUMAN whose name is written in this Death Note will die."

So saiyans, namekians, aliens, robots, weird pink goo monsters, kais, gods of destruction, angels, and even Bee the Dog are all safe.
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
I mean, they're immune because they aren't alive. They're robots. androids 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20, 21, Mageta, and others are totally immune to the death note,; it would fail for the same reason she couodnt kill a car with a death note. Along with joke characters like Arale, and probably the angels.

Hell, probably Buu, too; his physiology is so weird that he breaks way too many rules of the death note that would cause it to fail.

Anyway:

https://youtu.be/hQe4H7dgvbU
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
I mean, they're immune because they aren't alive. They're robots. androids 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20, 21, Mageta, and others are totally immune to the death note,; it would fail for the same reason she couodnt kill a car with a death note. Along with joke characters like Arale, and probably the angels.

Hell, probably Buu, too; his physiology is so weird that he breaks way too many rules of the death note that would cause it to fail.

Anyway:

https://youtu.be/hQe4H7dgvbU

A car isn't exactly so much as immune, more so just not alive.

I mean, it works on it, just the other way around. Like when light kills using a car, the car should logically receive some sort of damage, even if it doesn't destroy it.

If it was written that someone way more powerful than cell dies fighting cell, I think that Cell would at least possibly die, or at the least get hurt pretty bad.

Otherwise I agree though
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Vegeta, Goku, Vegito, and Jiren have all shown immunity or very strong resistance to hax magical abilities. Hit's time-skip, Buu's candy ray, Babidi's mind control, etc. have all basically failed against them.

Problem is countering hax is kind of something that needs to be shown/implied before we can assume it's possible.

Most of these abilities were countered because the target just had a way higher power level than the user, and in the case of Time Skip Hit still has to physically hit you after using it and Jiren's just so fast and skilled that he can realize where Hit's attacking from and counterattack before it lands.

Whereas there's no established way to counter a Death Note. No power scaling dynamic has been attributed to it, nobody's been more capable of "resisting" the note than anyone else, regardless of who anyone who's name was written just died. Its portrayal as an absolute is more similar to how Dragon Ball wishes are treated (having been completely uncountered by anyone below the in-universe god Zeno).
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
Actually I take it back. Misa, light, ryuk, they all fail miserably. It's right their in the rules:

"The HUMAN whose name is written in this Death Note will die."
But the question is, would that word in Japanese be "ningen?"

Because in Dragon Ball Super, Zamasu was calling Saiyans 'ningen' as well, as a way of differentiating them from Gods. It basically meant 'mortals,' not specifically 'humans as a species.' I feel like it's only fair to apply the same logic to the Death Note, provided that's the same original word.

Still, I don't think it would work on Goku and friends because they're just way too strong-willed to get magicked to death. Or controlled by the Death Note's hypnotic situation.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
But the question is, would that word in Japanese be "ningen?"

Because in Dragon Ball Super, Zamasu was calling Saiyans 'ningen' as well, as a way of differentiating them from Gods. It basically meant 'mortals,' not specifically 'humans as a species.' I feel like it's only fair to apply the same logic to the Death Note, provided that's the same original word.

Still, I don't think it would work on Goku and friends because they're just way too strong-willed to get magicked to death. Or controlled by the Death Note's hypnotic situation.
We don't know, because the rules were canonically written in English, which light translated, and said "human."

And even then, I'm not inclined to give the benefit of the doubt. The death note referring to anything other than a human is never even suggested, and probably wouldn't even work; it doesn't work on animals, after all, despite having similar nervous systems and being able to have names.

There's too much in Dragonball that just destroys the rules of the Note. How would you even kill Buu with it? He has a VERY specific kill condition, complete atomization, that only a small handful of things in the multiverse can meet. Same for cell. Hell, same for PICCOLO. We have characters without hearts, characters without bodies, characters that can swap bodies, characters that are outright immortal, characters who were once mortal but BECAME immortal, and on and on. You need a character's face in order to kill them: would it work if you'd only seen frieza's first form? Or if you'd never seen Zarbon transform? What if you write Ginyu's name, and he changes bodies in his 40 second window? Does "he" die, or his body, both, or neither? How do Guldo or Hit's time manipulation abilities fuck with the 40 second window?

The note was clearly made with a human physiology in mind, and it literally identifies humans as its targets; I'm pretty certain that's where it begins and ends.
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She'd probably win. The Death Note is a magical item and even though strong fighters with high enough chi have been able to overcome some aspects of magic they're not completely immune to everything. Vegeta still fell under the sway of the Majin curse even though Babidi failed to control his mind, Vegetto still turned into candy despite the fact that being turned into candy didn't incapacitate him, potorra fusions still work regardless of how strong the users are, and the evil containment wave still fucks people up regardless of whether or not they're placed inside an appropriate vessel. If Misa were to write Goku's name in it then surely the issue is whether or not she'd have to write Goku or Kakarot, not whether Goku would shrug it off.

Also, just because chi makes the Z fighters incredibly strong it doesn't protect them from absolutely everything that comes their way. Goku couldn't exactly over power his heart virus, Krillin still beat his brains in with a rock while he was super saiyan, and Frieza's henchman still almost killed the dude with a sniper rifle. He's not going to shrug off the Death Note.
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What if they write 'Krillin dies by launching a Kamehameha at full power on the planet to die in the planet explosion' Goku and other non-humans who couldn't be directly killed by the Death Note rules dies in that scenario.
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HA4e posted...
What if they write 'Krillin dies by launching a Kamehameha at full power on the planet to die in the planet explosion' Goku and other non-humans who couldn't be directly killed by the Death Note rules dies in that scenario.
Except Buu, who survives in space and no human has the capability of killing
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A_Good_Boy posted...
If Misa were to write Goku's name in it then surely the issue is whether or not she'd have to write Goku or Kakarot, not whether Goku would shrug it off.

She has the Shinigami Eyes so she'll always see the right name. Even if someone has no official name at all the eyes will provide one that can be used to kill the victim.

HA4e posted...
What if they write 'Krillin dies by launching a Kamehameha at full power on the planet to die in the planet explosion' Goku and other non-humans who couldn't be directly killed by the Death Note rules dies in that scenario.

Then Krillin just dies of a heart attack instead. If the written scenario directly kills someone other than the intended target then it gets thrown out.
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
Except Buu, who survives in space and no human has the capability of killing
At this point Roshi probably could
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HA4e posted...
What if they write 'Krillin dies by launching a Kamehameha at full power on the planet to die in the planet explosion' Goku and other non-humans who couldn't be directly killed by the Death Note rules dies in that scenario.
That wouldn't exactly be soloing since she would be using Krillin. But it doesn't work anyway, since you can't have one death cause more.

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totalnerdken posted...
If it could work on Buu, how would it even kill him? He doesn't have a heart, does he? Like, I'm not sure it would have the capability of killing him.
"Majin Buu is completely atomized in a battle with somebody stronger than himself."

The issue is that that is literally the ONLY condition that would work; buu breaks literally every other rule.
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totalnerdken posted...
If it could work on Buu, how would it even kill him? He doesn't have a heart, does he? Like, I'm not sure it would have the capability of killing him.

Buu probably can't be targeted, he has no human physiology and the fact that his natural lifespan is infinite probably glitches out the system (in DN even the gods of death have limited lifespans).

But otherwise the DN could potentially kill him via suicide. Buu is able to shrink and explore his own body, so he could probably figure out some way to end his own life.
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
"Majin Buu is completely atomized in a battle with somebody stronger than himself."

The issue is that that is literally the ONLY condition that would work; buu breaks literally every other rule.
I'm not sure that would even work. There's a min and max age on the death notes, I think 120 years. So Buu wouldn't even be bothered by it anyway.
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cellus523 posted...
I'm not sure that would even work. There's a min and max age on the death notes, I think 120 years. So Buu wouldn't even be bothered by it anyway.
In which case Misa stops at roshi, Korin, and kami.
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
In which case Misa stops at roshi, Korin, and kami.
I just thought about the wording of the rule that talks about including first and last names. If it's a hard rule that may also invalidate a crap ton more people. Goku accepts his given earth name which works for the book but he does still acknowledge his Saiyan name too which is just Kakarot.
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You also probably gotta write it in the Saiyan language. It would take too long for Misa to imitate a different language before Goku can simply reach her and disarm her. If it's written in Japanese, it's fully possible the spelling isn't precise enough to spell out Goku's Saiyan full name. If she misspells Goku's real name 4 times, the Death Note is fucked

Also the JP does actually specify humans. It has different rules for other species, like if you write a Shinigami name, their life span actually increases instead. There are no rules for Saiyans or any other alien form. You can't even kill animals with that shit
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legendarylemur posted...
You also probably gotta write it in the Saiyan language. It would take too long for Misa to imitate a different language before Goku can simply reach her and disarm her. If it's written in Japanese, it's fully possible the spelling isn't precise enough to spell out Goku's Saiyan full name. If she misspells Goku's real name 4 times, the Death Note is fucked

Also the JP does actually specify humans. It has different rules for other species, like if you write a Shinigami name, their life span actually increases instead. There are no rules for Saiyans or any other alien form. You can't even kill animals with that shit

You don't have to write in sayain language, Ryuk doesn't even write in a human language.

Also, while it does say it can only kill humans directly, non-humans may also die by several means.
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itachi15243 posted...
You don't have to write in sayain language, Ryuk doesn't even write in a human language.

Also, while it does say it can only kill humans directly, non-humans may also die by several means.
It's not possible to intentionally kill other things with the Death Note. "If it influences and causes others that are not written in it to die, the victim's cause of death will be a heart attack." They talk about how the intention matters like more than once. If your actual goal is to kill others instead, it fizzles. I think Light nearly crosses that line multiple times

Not 100% sure what you mean with the Ryuk writing in a human language thing. Did you mean to say Shinigami language? I was wrong about the language thing, but seems the rule is that it's whatever name the Shinigami's system decides for Goku, not that he's applicable. You simply cannot kill Goku with the Death Note.
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I think it's fair to say that the Death Note wouldn't work on alien lifeforms.

But in that case, I think it's also fair to say that this makes alien lifeforms exempt from the rule that writing someone's name in it can't be used to kill someone you didn't write in it.
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itachi15243 posted...
non-humans may also die by several means.
Not really.

The rules prevent causing collateral deaths. If they did not, Light literally would have just won by going "Soichiro Yagami kills the detective known as L in a murder-suicide," and that would have been that.

Even if you were to argue "it would be fine because Saiyans aren't human and don't count as collateral deaths..." how would you even do that? None of the human characters are strong enough to even scratch the saiyans, and even among the humans there's a ton of them the note wouldn't affect.

It's a bad match up. Almost like these two universes REALLY weren't meant to fit together.
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
Not really.

The rules prevent causing collateral deaths. If they did not, Light literally would have just won by going "Soichiro Yagami kills the detective known as L in a murder-suicide," and that would have been that.

Even if you were to argue "it would be fine because Saiyans aren't human and don't count as collateral deaths..." how would you even do that? None of the human characters are strong enough to even scratch the saiyans, and even among the humans there's a ton of them the note wouldn't affect.

It's a bad match up. Almost like these two universes REALLY weren't meant to fit together.

Firstly, because Goku either counts as a human or doesn't, there's no in between. If he's not counted as a human, he's not a collateral death.

Second, because the series shows this happening to a non human. While that may be from another different rule, nothing else was notably saved from a natural death or otherwise not harmed I'm order to save it's life simply because it wasn't human.

Third, there are humans who can hurt him. Considering that he died from a heart infection that was literally stated to be viral, anyone of the super scientists in the show should be able to either get or make some sort of biological weapon to kill him. There is also probably some argument for half or three quarter humans killing him somehow, but I won't go there.
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Well the rules also state that if you're gonna invent some impossible disease that's not within reachable distance of 6 min and 40 seconds, it's just gonna result in a heart attack instead. Sure you can like bring that disease into play first, like set it up in a nice bow, and like Schrdinger's Cat it into Goku's body somehow (how?) with some weird prompt in the Death Note

But again, it knows your intentions. If your real goal of the disease was to either mass kill or specifically kill another person, it doesn't let you.

You can try to make a bunch of shit up, but the conclusion is that Goku cannot be killed by the Death Note
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legendarylemur posted...
Well the rules also state that if you're gonna invent some impossible disease that's not within reachable distance of 6 min and 40 seconds
That's not true, that's just the default time. You can set a time of death longer than that, but it has to be within 23 days. But there's also a loophole if you give a specific disease as the cause of death. You won't be able to specify a time, but the disease will progress normally which means it might be months or years before it kills them.
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Guys the Death Note's actual rule is that it can only kill mortals, not humans. It's a mistranslation in the dub.
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