If they want to make an animated series based off of Beauty and the Beast, 18th century France is suddenly going to have larger Black and Asian populations because, "If magic beasts and talking teacups can exist, why can't they?" If Belle's best friend is Asian and the royal captain of the guard is Black, I could still accept that this is 18th century France through an idyllic lens. But if you reimagine it so that ethnic French people make up less than 50% of the cast, you might as well set the story in Middle Earth, Eternia, or Hyrule. "French" is an architecture and not an ethnicity.
Disney's heart is in the right place, but I can't say that I'm on board with *every* program having < 50% of the cast be comprised of members of underrepresented groups.What?
In the short run, it'll lead to tokenism where superfluous characters are added to inflate the numbers. That's no big deal because writers will start finding ways to make characters matter as soon as they're called out on tokenism. What annoys me about the scenario is that it limits the stories that can be told.
If they want to make an animated series based off of Beauty and the Beast, 18th century France is suddenly going to have larger Black and Asian populations because, "If magic beasts and talking teacups can exist, why can't they?" If Belle's best friend is Asian and the royal captain of the guard is Black, I could still accept that this is 18th century France through an idyllic lens. But if you reimagine it so that ethnic French people make up less than 50% of the cast, you might as well set the story in Middle Earth, Eternia, or Hyrule. "French" is an architecture and not an ethnicity.
Or if you wanted a western, you would have two options. The first would be to run the story through a filter of a minority family living in the old west. The other would be to make them all talking animal characters so that more than half of the cast can be comprised of actors from underrepresented groups.
I think it would be better if they mandated that 80% of programs adhered to the < 50% rule. Anything set in the present could mandate inclusivity. Anything placed in a historical setting could be more homogenous, but the number of such stories would be limited to less than 20% (unless it's focusing on an underrepresented group) so that everything isn't an excuse for "a small White town in Kentucky circa 1950," "a predominantly White town in 1880s Texas," "Medieval England with a 90% White cast," etc.
There is a difference between representation and forced representation, It is abhorrent to see stuff like that measured in percentages. Even worse is that at the end of the day this is just done to get more money, these corporations and whatever message they spread do nothing for the races or whatever represented. The products are still mediocre but they expect us to show up just because they hired someone who looks like us and that feels scummy as all fuck.That's a whole lot of post two in this.
Stuff like that might work in the US but there's a reason why mexico for example, did not care about blue beetle, we don't need to see ourselves reflected we just want a GOOD story/product.
Disney's heart is in the right place, but I can't say that I'm on board with *every* program having < 50% of the cast be comprised of members of underrepresented groups.I think TRY to get >50% =/= MUST get 50%.
What?
If they want to make an animated series based off of Beauty and the Beast, 18th century France is suddenly going to have larger Black and Asian populations because, "If magic beasts and talking teacups can exist, why can't they?" If Belle's best friend is Asian and the royal captain of the guard is Black, I could still accept that this is 18th century France through an idyllic lens. But if you reimagine it so that ethnic French people make up less than 50% of the cast, you might as well set the story in Middle Earth, Eternia, or Hyrule. "French" is an architecture and not an ethnicity.OK, so you don't have a problem if they simply reinvented / adapted Beauty and the Beast so that it's less about historical France, and more in an alternate reality that focuses more on the generic ideals.
If you're doing a Captain Sinbad or Aladdin story, 90% or more of the cast should be Arab. If you're doing a Zorro story, 80% of the cast or more should be Latino/Latina. If you're doing a Mulan story, in all honesty, the entire (human) cast should be Chinese. If you're doing a story based on Robin Hood or King Arthur, 80% of the cast or more should be White.Unless, they're reinventing the story, and using alternate realities, or multi-verses. AKA Spider-Verse. AKA modern James Bond, etc., etc., etc.
That's all I'm trying to say.
Let me put it this way.My thinking of this is whole the hell cares when there's a billion versions of these stories that are up to your standards and will be a billion more long after we're dead
If you're doing a Captain Sinbad or Aladdin story, 90% or more of the cast should be Arab. If you're doing a Zorro story, 80% of the cast or more should be Latino/Latina. If you're doing a Mulan story, in all honesty, the entire (human) cast should be Chinese. If you're doing a story based on Robin Hood or King Arthur, 80% of the cast or more should be White.
That's all I'm trying to say.
Unless, they're reinventing the story, and using alternate realities, or multi-verses. AKA Spider-Verse. AKA modern James Bond, etc., etc., etc.
My thinking of this is whole the hell cares when there's a billion versions of these stories that are up to your standards and will be a billion more long after we're dead
Omg stop the fucking presses!!! They just made Little Mermaid with a black lead!!!! One version of this out of hundreds out there
That opens up new doors, but it's also limiting if you're imposing a filter of "Do it, but in the modern era," or "Do it, but in the future." You can have King Arthur... so long as the story takes place in the 25th century in the galaxy known as Avalon.Regardless, that's all that really matters. If Christians gets to Jesus-wash Saturnalia, then there's nothing wrong with reinventing fictional stories, as long as proper credit is due to actual history, and nobody is claiming that ACTUAL 17th century Ireland had 40% black people.
If the story is good it doesn't matter what color the characters skin is, but once you start forcing them to add characters into the story just for the sake of being there it completely diminishes the value of those characters.Only if it's a hard quota, which is illegal anyway. If it's more holistic standards, then it's perfectly fine. That's how the world has worked for hundreds of years anyway. And you are correct, no one wants tokenism, regardless. Minorities are the first to stand and argue against tokenism.
If they want to make an animated series based off of Beauty and the Beast, 18th century France is suddenly going to have larger Black and Asian populations because, "If magic beasts and talking teacups can exist, why can't they?" If Belle's best friend is Asian and the royal captain of the guard is Black, I could still accept that this is 18th century France through an idyllic lens. But if you reimagine it so that ethnic French people make up less than 50% of the cast, you might as well set the story in Middle Earth, Eternia, or Hyrule. "French" is an architecture and not an ethnicity.Big studios like Disney and others already do this.
Isn't this more or less the standard that was implemented in Hollywood? Content makers needed to fulfill 3 out of 4 categories, and the bulleted points show how to fulfill said categories. I mean, it has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, and will probably stick around long after it serves its purpose, but is an industry standard.recent events should have shown you there is no point where it will have served its purpose
Elon's comments are the quintessential "when you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"This isnt equality
So there's no credible source for this.This was my thought. That does not look like an internal corporate document. That looks like a graphic made by some idiot on the internet. Elon Musk has posted fake shit and subscribed to hoaxes before. He's not a very bright guy.
This isnt equality
This is equity, which is a twisted version of equality that favours equal outcomes over equal opportunities.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/abc-unveils-ambitious-set-of-inclusion-standards-exclusive-4069409/ABC are owned by Disney so it checks out.
That image is in this 2020 article about ABCs inclusion standards.
Can Elon fuck off back to whatever hell dimension he crawled out of?Are you calling South Africa a hell dimension?
Are you calling South Africa a hell dimension?No, he's calling whatever hell dimension he crawled out of to reach south Africa, a hell dimension.
Are you calling South Africa a hell dimension?
Are you actually going to bat for known shithead Elon Musk?
Whose alt?
If you're doing a story based on Robin Hood or King Arthur, 80% of the cast or more should be White.
Why are conservatives complaining about private businesses making private business decisions?
I love that Musk has effectively and single handedly destroyed the notion that rich people are rich because they are smarter than all of us.I think Donald Trump did that long before Elon.