Good thing Netanyahu isn't running for President or you may have a point. Why should innocent Americans die because Israel is committing a genocide? You're a fool if you think Israel would stop anyway. I get not wanting America to be an ally to a country that does it, but that won't actually end the genocide.I've got news for you, many are already being sacrificed as the US sends billions in dollars, weapons, military cooperation, and UN vetoes in order to facilitate this genocide. You can think that's insignificant support, okay, sure, then why don't we stop it?
I get wanting to save the few, but you don't do it by sacrificing the many. Biden isn't the one who suffers if he loses.
I do have empathy for them. And I see under Biden Republicans are doing all that and more. Where are the dema to save the day. Republican states were literally in open rebellion and nothing happened. I will personally still vote for him. But come on looks whats going on.We get it, you're a trump troll. Can we move on?
We get it, you're a trump troll. Can we move on?
I do have empathy for them. And I see under Biden Republicans are doing all that and more. Where are the dema to save the day. Republican states were literally in open rebellion and nothing happened. I will personally still vote for him. But come on looks whats going on."Republicans are managing to harm marginalized people while not in full control, so how much worse could it be if they were?" is an absolutely insane stance.
"Republicans are managing to harm marginalized people while not in full control, so how much worse could it be if they were?" is an absolutely insane stance.
What are the Dems doing to stop the bleeding in the states that Americans control.
How many Palestinians are you willing to sacrifice? Give me a number, there's over 30,000 dead so far. Tell me when it's time to stop.Trumps is even more pro-Israel! Who recognized Jerusalem as the capital unlike almost every other country? Trading Biden for Trump won't help Palestinians, just hurt everybody else.
dems keep trying to do the right thing but republicans are blocking things in congress or in the Supreme CourtSo having Biden as president doesn't do shit. Democrats need a supermajority to get anything done.
Student loans- GOP Supreme Court blocked that bill
border control bill- GOP congress blocked that
Abortion being taken away in some states- GOP Supreme Court took away that
Any progress the Democrats are trying to do get impeded by republicans
And they should not be allowed to live it down. Ever.
ITP: genocide of Palestinian is a little thing
any action you perform or dont perform which contributes to republicans being voted in, make you an unethical piece of shit with no morals. Thats all there is to it. American political system literally is a case of completely 100% evil and the lesser evil. Its not any more complex than that. And yet you have people saying that the 100% evil option is preferable because the lesser evil option isnt listening to youYou being condescending is making me want to vote for Biden less. So do you have no morals now?
You being condescending is making me want to vote for Biden less. So do you have no morals now?Im not changing anyones mind ITT. Im just stating the facts
Im not changing anyones mind ITT.Hope for that otherwise you have no morals by your own words.
You being condescending is making me want to vote for Biden less. So do you have no morals now?Not how that works. That's a you action, not on him.
Hope for that otherwise you have no morals by your own words.nah
Not how that works. That's a you action, not on him.Is that post an action someone performed?
any action you perform or dont perform which contributes to republicans being voted in, make you an unethical piece of shit with no morals. Thats all there is to it. American political system literally is a case of completely 100% evil and the lesser evil. Its not any more complex than that. And yet you have people saying that the 100% evil option is preferable because the lesser evil option isnt listening to youIt's not even that.
Hope for that otherwise you have no morals by your own words.Point blank: who do you think is more likely to bend on Palestine? Trump or Biden?
Point blank: who do you think is more likely to bend on Palestine? Trump or Biden?Biden, that's why no one is saying vote uncommitted in the Republican primary.
Point blank: who do you think is more likely to bend on Palestine? Trump or Biden?You think anyone will still be alive in Palestine next year?
You being condescending is making me want to vote for Biden less. So do you have no morals now?
You now wanting to vote for Biden less out of spite is no different to my uncle voting against same sex marriage because the left are bullies.Same sex marriage hurts no one and genocide is the mass murder of men, women, and children.
You have no platform to criticize someone elses morals.
BidenThen there's your answer.
Then there's your answer.I wish Biden was just 2+2.
And the reason why people are getting testy is because there's "2+2=4" right in your face, and all the tankies are acting like trumpers and going "but maybe it's 5."
If you want the situation in Palestine to improve, you vote Biden in the general, period.
How many LGBTQ people are you comfortable sacrificing to teach the Dems a lesson when they run for office in 30 years once the Christofascist regime dies out? Give me a number.
I personally think that if "voting uncommited" in a primary makes Biden reconsider his position (which is not inherently one supported by like...what's most electable or anything) it's a net gain.
personally think that if "voting uncommited" in a primary makes Biden reconsider his position (which is not inherently one supported by like...what's most electable or anything) it's a net gain.
Im more than a little worried it wontWhy? mybbqrules says it's guaranteed like 2+2=4
And no one has a will to live because he's doing that? We're gonna voluntarily choose to blow our fucking brains out and blame it on Biden sucking? Your choices in 2024 are vote for Biden or die. There is no third option.Maybe Biden should try to do something to make sure he wins this do-or-die election instead of actively doing things that, on top of being moral atrocities, are causing him to lose this do-or-die election
I bet you're not a minority and have no risk of being killed or deported by Trump and his cult. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit.I bet you're not Palestinian and have no risk of arms that Biden explicitly bypassed Congress to give to Israel being used to murder half of your family. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit. This is something Biden is choosing to do and he can stop at any time. He knows what it's doing to his electoral chances and he is continuing to do it. This is on him.
I bet you're not a minority and have no risk of being killed or deported by Trump and his cult. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit.Not Garioshi, I agree with what Garioshi said. Half Jewish and Mexican.
I bet you're not Palestinian and have no risk of arms that Biden explicitly bypassed Congress to give to Israel being used to murder half of your family. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit. This is something Biden is choosing to do and he can stop at any time. He knows what it's doing to his electoral chances and he is continuing to do it. This is on him.Yeah, except I am Muslim and Trump will kill them AND me. One option is clearly better than the other.
Biden is also a rich white guy that doesn't seem to care much about ending genocide.Well I guess we can all doom ourselves to endless suffering to really stiff it to him then! That will surely help Palestine AND teach Biden a lesson!
How about this scenario:And if Biden does none of that, we will still be morally obligated to vote for him.
> Biden denounce Israel's actions, sending help to victims and mediate the war
> The uncommitted are satisfied, and theb vote for Biden
> Everyone wins, except Trumpers and pro genocide trash
But noooo, you guys reject any hope for progress.
How about this scenario:
> Biden denounce Israel's actions, sending help to victims and mediate the war
> The uncommitted are satisfied, and theb vote for Biden
> Everyone wins, except Trumpers and pro genocide trash
But noooo, you guys reject any hope for progress.
And if Biden does none of that, we will still be morally obligated to vote for him.
I'm a Muslim and fuck Trump, but Biden also responsible for the genocide that is happening.Yes, but if you choose to not vote for him and let Trump win then that will never happen. I don't understand the logic. Biden loses the election and he'll either get murdered by Trump or fuck off somewhere forever and you'll just get someone who is willing to genocide everyone except white people and will never be held accountable.
Pretending that he's innocent in this is a delusion.
All we ask is for Biden to took responsibility and strive for better situation, but people are allowing him to fund the genocide.
I think its better to frame that as voting against Trump .
LmaoActual good people with actual sensible morals try to minimize damage, not flip everyone the bird because they find it unfair to the dead that others are alive. In the scenario I mention, it's a trolley problem. Do you choose the track with less people, or do you walk away and leave it up to fate because you don't care anymore?
Voting 3rd party is also voting against Trump, and Biden .
But we don't want that, aren't we?
Well I guess we can all doom ourselves to endless suffering to really stiff it to him then! That will surely help Palestine AND teach Biden a lesson!If Biden doesn't care then it is not stiffing Biden. I'm not withholding my vote out of spite.
Yes, but if you choose to not vote for him and let Trump win then that will never happen. I don't understand the logic. Biden loses the election and he'll either get murdered by Trump or fuck off somewhere forever and you'll just get someone who is willing to genocide everyone except white people and will never be held accountable.