I thought you were from the Netherlands?Does this view not hurt to read? You have only one candidate to choose from even though he may not represent all your views. And the other is so laughably bad that you have no real alternative. The fact that a third party can't rise in this climate of perfect storm is truly telling how much American politicians have gained all control.
I can't understand any American who doesn't vote for Biden when the alternative is Trump. Biden is not perfect, but he and his staff are working on doing the right things in most fields. That's 100x better than everything Trump and the GOP does. The most important thing right now is to defeat Trump.
He is the best president of the last 50 years and I am going to be proud to vote for him. I wish you were too!George hw bush and his son would like a few words with you
No, hes still far right. His views arent more moderate because there are more open Nazis.People are really falling over semantics in this thread. In that moderation you can see I literally said almost centrist, which is a figure of speech and the people falling over that are that one guy in the thread who admitted to being wary about every post. You can be far right and within a certain countrys personal compass and still not end up on the far end. Take a look at that party in the top left, PVDD, and compare their points to the American left for example. There is a lot that wont line up.
As a Black dude, this is really true. Trump allowed me to work as a vendor and Biden allowed me to be an employee.
Not something I was thinking about but what Biden did allowed for all of them.
Republican-leaning Independent, btw.
whose base has now partly voted for Wilders and even Baudet?I've seen you post this before and it's blatantly bullshit. It was Wilders himself on election night who made the claim that many muslims voted for him, and right wing media (and you) took his word for it without any evidence.
I've seen you post this before and it's blatantly bullshit. It was Wilders himself on election night who made the claim that many muslims voted for him, and right wing media (and you) took his word for it without any evidence.Then the news helped spread this nonsense since they literally showed some people saying they voted for him. It being unpopular also doesnt mean they didnt do it at all, if you did all this research you fully well know there is a lot of overlap. I said partly and all those links say a lot and massively. You are creating a strawman argument here.
It's not true. Tons of polls show that PVV is one of the least popular parties among muslims and non-Western immigrants.
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/11/29/verkiezingen-de-pvv-moslim-is-gebaseerd-op-wensdenken-a4182625
https://nos.nl/collectie/13958/artikel/2499884-geen-aanwijzingen-dat-veel-moslims-op-de-pvv-hebben-gestemd
https://www.nu.nl/formatie-2023/6292199/moslims-stemmen-volgens-politicoloog-helemaal-niet-massaal-op-de-pvv.html
This lie has the same intention behind it as all those " as a gay black man I agree with Trump " posts we've seen over the internet in the past 8 years.
Then the news helped spread this nonsenseRight wing news. Which you repeated without questioning it.
since they literally showed some people saying they voted for him. It being unpopular also doesnt mean they didnt do it at all,A completely insignificant amount, not worth mentioning. I reacted because this isn't the first time you spread this misinformation. Even going as far as to say Wilders won the election because of muslims:
Right wing news. Which you repeated without questioning it.This is another strawman since Im not saying there they all for him, Im saying theyre one of the reasons he won. Im even explaining why one sentence after. Maybe if they all had voted for the party that actually cared about them Wilders wouldnt be in the position he is in. Why can none of you people read well? Go look at numbers and polls and tell me more about the muslim support for PVDD, BIJ1 and PVDA.
I mean the man literally wants to ban mosques and the Quran, and this claim didn't ring you as suspicious.
A completely insignificant amount, not worth mentioning. I reacted because this isn't the first time you spread this misinformation. Even going as far as to say Wilders won the election because of muslims:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/388f6e7b.png
So kindly fuck off accusing me of creating a straw man.
Im saying theyre one of the reasons he wonWhich is a lie.
Which is a lie.Sure thing bro, not like DENK actively participated to this with making anti-LGBT commercials and driving their base away from the left wing parties. All those people voting PVDA apparently wouldnt have given them more seats eh? Guess politics work differently in your dimension.
Sure thing bro, not like DENK actively participated to this with making anti-LGBT commercials and driving their base away from the left wing parties.Prove your claim that it was muslims who got Wilders the win.
All those people voting PVDA apparently wouldnt have given them more seats eh? Guess politics work differently in your dimension.PvdA/GL literally grew by nearly 50% compared to the previous election, they went from 17 (combined) seats to 25.
Prove your claim that it was muslims who got Wilders the win.I rest my fucking case dude, fucking READ. Ive said multiple times that if those people voted for the parties that actually cared about them Wilders would have less of a leg to stand on. PVDA could have been much bigger. I have said multiple times that they didnt vote for Wilders but are a reason he is bigger than he needs to be. You are creating a narrative here I never said just to make some tribalist point.
The NOS and Nu articles I posted before state that about half of muslims voted DENK , with the rest of them mostly divided among left wing parties.
In this article you'll read that PVV mostly picked up voters from: VVD, non-voters, FVD, JA21, CDA. In that order, all right wing parties. The amount of new voters coming from left are insignificant compared to those:
https://nos.nl/collectie/13958/artikel/2498911-20-zetels-erbij-voor-de-pvv-waar-komen-die-stemmers-vandaan
PvdA/GL literally grew by nearly 50% compared to the previous election, they went from 17 (combined) seats to 25.
You're just talking nonsense.
I have said multiple times that they didnt vote for WildersZwijn posted...
and whose base has now partly voted for Wilders and even Baudet?Hmm.
Ive said multiple times that if those people voted for the parties that actually cared about them Wilders would have less of a leg to stand on. PVDA could have been much bigger.Prove it.
Hmm.DENK isnt left wing, at least in my book. And yes I do think the landscape would have changed because I do feel general sentiment is very important. To me this isnt some black and white issue, its a spiderweb of groups influencing eachother. Take a look at the last few LHBT monitors. Even if not every muslim for example is outspoken against the LGBT community, the views of the conservative ones strengthen the views of other conservatives. We lost our position as guidance country in these matters. Look for the documentary Lekker Conservatief, about the relationship between the new believers and the conservative movement. None of this exists in a vacuum and there are people who are now stuck in a certain bubble who would have not been in that bubble had the general sentiment towards certain groups been different.
Prove it.
Dutch muslims largely vote left wing parties. Even if all Denk voters voted PvdA, Wilders would have still won by a large margin and the overall landscape wouldn't change a thing. The math just doesn't support your claims.
DENK isnt left wing, at least in my book.They are though. They're religious-conservative but economically they're social democrats. It's a split-off from PvdA.