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gu-gohan posted...
I thought you were from the Netherlands?

I can't understand any American who doesn't vote for Biden when the alternative is Trump. Biden is not perfect, but he and his staff are working on doing the right things in most fields. That's 100x better than everything Trump and the GOP does. The most important thing right now is to defeat Trump.
Does this view not hurt to read? You have only one candidate to choose from even though he may not represent all your views. And the other is so laughably bad that you have no real alternative. The fact that a third party can't rise in this climate of perfect storm is truly telling how much American politicians have gained all control.
Above all things, never be afraid. The enemy who forces you to retreat is himself afraid of you at that very moment.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/30857e70.jpg

In 20 years I think I've only tagged one other person on GameFAQs. Don't remember what dude said but it must have been fucking awful
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
I must be the worst nazi ever :)
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7dccd314.jpg

Heres the candidate I voted for.
https://bij1.org/kandidaten/venus-bijleveld-mamaqueen/

Also this sort of shit doesnt really help does it mods?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b8dee290.jpg
Dont act as if you know the policies of other countries. Others being way more far right does push someone else to the middle, even if that person would be considered a nazi in countries that are normal. You have no idea how insane the people to the right of him are but let me help with that. Instead of removing posts how about you add what you think should be said like on reddit?

https://nltimes.nl/2023/04/11/racism-anti-semitism-misogyny-homophobia-former-fvd-workers-describe-leader-baudet
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2021/02/thierry-baudet-at-centre-of-new-racism-row-after-ew-publishes-whatsapp-chats/
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/10/21/dutch-far-right-leader-claims-world-is-governed-by-evil-reptiles_6001236_4.html
https://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-coronavirus-test-center-hit-with-a-bomb-say-police/

Wilders is a racist piece of shit but I will take him over Baudet 1000 times, and if covid didnt happen wed probably have that guy as PM now.

Sonic_Boom posted...
He is the best president of the last 50 years and I am going to be proud to vote for him. I wish you were too!
George hw bush and his son would like a few words with you
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As a Black dude, this is really true. Trump allowed me to work as a vendor and Biden allowed me to be an employee.

Not something I was thinking about but what Biden did allowed for all of them.

Republican-leaning Independent, btw.
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shockthemonkey posted...
No, hes still far right. His views arent more moderate because there are more open Nazis.
People are really falling over semantics in this thread. In that moderation you can see I literally said almost centrist, which is a figure of speech and the people falling over that are that one guy in the thread who admitted to being wary about every post. You can be far right and within a certain countrys personal compass and still not end up on the far end. Take a look at that party in the top left, PVDD, and compare their points to the American left for example. There is a lot that wont line up.

Also see that party in the upper left called DENK, above SP? What if I told you that party is a Turkish immigrant party with ties to Erdoan, with conservative fundamentalist religious views, who regularly call for a stop to a LGBT and whose base has now partly voted for Wilders and even Baudet? They have many points that would be D in the US, and many that would be R in the US. This country doesnt work like your two party country and what is left and right on our scales isnt on yours, it is impossible to make direct comparisons.
Jaguar34 posted...
As a Black dude, this is really true. Trump allowed me to work as a vendor and Biden allowed me to be an employee.

Not something I was thinking about but what Biden did allowed for all of them.

Republican-leaning Independent, btw.

As an independent what about the GOP appeals to you?
"How is that a religious topic? That's just me talking about GOD." -Frostmourne
Oh yeah, cant believe I missed this gem.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/405MYF4e6U

This guys party was decimated in the last elections because of his standpoints on covid. He went full r/conspiracy and not only believes all the autism nonsense, he went so deep he doesnt believe in the moon landing and says you guys orchestrated 9/11 yourselves. Even some of his hardline fans could not support that anymore. Weirdly enough a lot of the people in that upper left party in the image I posted with the butterfly voted for him because of those same points, since they initially voted for the nature party because of government skepticism and he played the same tune. Theres a good chance that if covid was not a thing this guy would have been prime minister.
Zwijn posted...
whose base has now partly voted for Wilders and even Baudet?
I've seen you post this before and it's blatantly bullshit. It was Wilders himself on election night who made the claim that many muslims voted for him, and right wing media (and you) took his word for it without any evidence.

It's not true. Tons of polls show that PVV is one of the least popular parties among muslims and non-Western immigrants.

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/11/29/verkiezingen-de-pvv-moslim-is-gebaseerd-op-wensdenken-a4182625
https://nos.nl/collectie/13958/artikel/2499884-geen-aanwijzingen-dat-veel-moslims-op-de-pvv-hebben-gestemd
https://www.nu.nl/formatie-2023/6292199/moslims-stemmen-volgens-politicoloog-helemaal-niet-massaal-op-de-pvv.html

This lie has the same intention behind it as all those " as a gay black man I agree with Trump " posts we've seen over the internet in the past 8 years.
In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes.
Hornezz posted...
I've seen you post this before and it's blatantly bullshit. It was Wilders himself on election night who made the claim that many muslims voted for him, and right wing media (and you) took his word for it without any evidence.

It's not true. Tons of polls show that PVV is one of the least popular parties among muslims and non-Western immigrants.

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/11/29/verkiezingen-de-pvv-moslim-is-gebaseerd-op-wensdenken-a4182625
https://nos.nl/collectie/13958/artikel/2499884-geen-aanwijzingen-dat-veel-moslims-op-de-pvv-hebben-gestemd
https://www.nu.nl/formatie-2023/6292199/moslims-stemmen-volgens-politicoloog-helemaal-niet-massaal-op-de-pvv.html

This lie has the same intention behind it as all those " as a gay black man I agree with Trump " posts we've seen over the internet in the past 8 years.
Then the news helped spread this nonsense since they literally showed some people saying they voted for him. It being unpopular also doesnt mean they didnt do it at all, if you did all this research you fully well know there is a lot of overlap. I said partly and all those links say a lot and massively. You are creating a strawman argument here.
Zwijn posted...
Then the news helped spread this nonsense
Right wing news. Which you repeated without questioning it.

I mean the man literally wants to ban mosques and the Quran, and this claim didn't ring you as suspicious.

since they literally showed some people saying they voted for him. It being unpopular also doesnt mean they didnt do it at all,
A completely insignificant amount, not worth mentioning. I reacted because this isn't the first time you spread this misinformation. Even going as far as to say Wilders won the election because of muslims:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/388f6e7b.png

So kindly fuck off accusing me of creating a straw man.

In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes.
Hornezz posted...
Right wing news. Which you repeated without questioning it.

I mean the man literally wants to ban mosques and the Quran, and this claim didn't ring you as suspicious.

A completely insignificant amount, not worth mentioning. I reacted because this isn't the first time you spread this misinformation. Even going as far as to say Wilders won the election because of muslims:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/388f6e7b.png

So kindly fuck off accusing me of creating a straw man.
This is another strawman since Im not saying there they all for him, Im saying theyre one of the reasons he won. Im even explaining why one sentence after. Maybe if they all had voted for the party that actually cared about them Wilders wouldnt be in the position he is in. Why can none of you people read well? Go look at numbers and polls and tell me more about the muslim support for PVDD, BIJ1 and PVDA.
Zwijn posted...
Im saying theyre one of the reasons he won
Which is a lie.
In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes.
Hornezz posted...
Which is a lie.
Sure thing bro, not like DENK actively participated to this with making anti-LGBT commercials and driving their base away from the left wing parties. All those people voting PVDA apparently wouldnt have given them more seats eh? Guess politics work differently in your dimension.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzrdEP5NCAi/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Shit like this absolutely is why the left didnt get as many votes as it could have. These people arent my allies and Im not going to pretend to.
Zwijn posted...
Sure thing bro, not like DENK actively participated to this with making anti-LGBT commercials and driving their base away from the left wing parties.
Prove your claim that it was muslims who got Wilders the win.

The NOS and Nu articles I posted before state that about half of muslims voted DENK, with the rest of them mostly divided among other left wing parties.

In this article you'll read that PVV mostly picked up voters from: VVD, non-voters, FVD, JA21 and CDA. In that order, all right wing parties . The amount of new voters coming from left are insignificant compared to those:

https://nos.nl/collectie/13958/artikel/2498911-20-zetels-erbij-voor-de-pvv-waar-komen-die-stemmers-vandaan

Zwijn posted...
All those people voting PVDA apparently wouldnt have given them more seats eh? Guess politics work differently in your dimension.
PvdA/GL literally grew by nearly 50% compared to the previous election, they went from 17 (combined) seats to 25.

You're just talking nonsense.
In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes.
Hornezz posted...
Prove your claim that it was muslims who got Wilders the win.

The NOS and Nu articles I posted before state that about half of muslims voted DENK , with the rest of them mostly divided among left wing parties.

In this article you'll read that PVV mostly picked up voters from: VVD, non-voters, FVD, JA21, CDA. In that order, all right wing parties. The amount of new voters coming from left are insignificant compared to those:

https://nos.nl/collectie/13958/artikel/2498911-20-zetels-erbij-voor-de-pvv-waar-komen-die-stemmers-vandaan

PvdA/GL literally grew by nearly 50% compared to the previous election, they went from 17 (combined) seats to 25.

You're just talking nonsense.
I rest my fucking case dude, fucking READ. Ive said multiple times that if those people voted for the parties that actually cared about them Wilders would have less of a leg to stand on. PVDA could have been much bigger. I have said multiple times that they didnt vote for Wilders but are a reason he is bigger than he needs to be. You are creating a narrative here I never said just to make some tribalist point.
Zwijn posted...
I have said multiple times that they didnt vote for Wilders
Zwijn posted...
and whose base has now partly voted for Wilders and even Baudet?
Hmm.

Zwijn posted...
Ive said multiple times that if those people voted for the parties that actually cared about them Wilders would have less of a leg to stand on. PVDA could have been much bigger.
Prove it.

Dutch muslims largely vote left wing parties. Even if all Denk voters voted PvdA, Wilders would have still won by a large margin and the overall landscape wouldn't change a thing. The math just doesn't support your claims.
In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes.
Hornezz posted...
Hmm.

Prove it.

Dutch muslims largely vote left wing parties. Even if all Denk voters voted PvdA, Wilders would have still won by a large margin and the overall landscape wouldn't change a thing. The math just doesn't support your claims.
DENK isnt left wing, at least in my book. And yes I do think the landscape would have changed because I do feel general sentiment is very important. To me this isnt some black and white issue, its a spiderweb of groups influencing eachother. Take a look at the last few LHBT monitors. Even if not every muslim for example is outspoken against the LGBT community, the views of the conservative ones strengthen the views of other conservatives. We lost our position as guidance country in these matters. Look for the documentary Lekker Conservatief, about the relationship between the new believers and the conservative movement. None of this exists in a vacuum and there are people who are now stuck in a certain bubble who would have not been in that bubble had the general sentiment towards certain groups been different.
And look man I get it if I come off as hostile an overzealous here but I am concerned myself. I come from the province Wilders comes from and I know firsthand how fucked it is and how much worse it has become because of both the groups I mentioned. To me this is a vital issue and I cant let anything slide.
Zwijn posted...
DENK isnt left wing, at least in my book.
They are though. They're religious-conservative but economically they're social democrats. It's a split-off from PvdA.

It's obvious that Denk has anti-LGBT views but there's no reason to believe that's what made people vote PVV. SGP has been saying the same shit for a lot longer. Omtzigt has made some blatant transphobic comments and his party shot to popularity.

Plus it's not like Wilders is a champion of LGBT rights. He'll only mention them when used as a weapon against muslims. In the same vein as conservatives in the US going ' but what about our homeless ' as an argument against immigration - and then proceeding to not give a damn about homelessness anyway. The PVV party program complains about 'gender lunacy' and 'diversity nonsense'.

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What brought PVV the win is largely on VVD. They collapsed the previous government on the issue of asylum, signaling they wanted to take a hard right turn. And then Yesilgoz gave Wilders some legitimacy back by saying she's willing to work with him after most relevant parties had boycotted him since 2012.

PVV's new voters mostly came from other far right parties, and from the hard-right factions within VVD and CDA, who rallied behind him when they were handed the opportunity. It wasn't muslims and it wasn't people concerned about LGBT rights. These people were never going to vote for PvdA/GL.
In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes.
Yeah that double speak is a regular issue for most of the parties. An hour ago I saw some SGPer in the debate about pornography and youth speaking about having to do something about younger people not being trafficked or being oblivious about the dark side of porn, but then theyre also against schools teaching about sex where these issues are spoken about as well. And when it comes to championing LGBT rights I feel even the left, including PVDA, is extremely lacking. Its kind of hypocritical of me to say PVDA could have been bigger when I voted BIJ1 myself but I didnt see any other parties with this amount of actual representation. Now BIJ1 is gone and my vote was basically thrown away but it was a principle thing. The true left as far as Im concerned is basically just partly SP, PVDD and BIJ1. I do still think conservative views influence eachother. Its hatred building on hatred and gut feelings of people strengthening eachother, especially in the non-Randstad areas. I blame conservative muslims who stick with their own just as much as the crusty old racists who stick with their own.

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