Sitting down and talking and compromising with your political enemies is

It's weird how this sentiment always seems directed at Democrats, as if they were the ones unwilling to compromise, as if Democrats don't repeatedly attempt to negotiate and make deals. Compromise and cooperation might be the optimal strategy for getting things done, but there's only so much bad faith, performative, backstabbing bullshit that can be tolerated before that strategy is off the table, and I'd argue we hit that milestone decades ago.

I think it's because republicans have been lead around by the nose by the worst people in media, religion, and politics... and they are now completely divorced from any ethical obligations to truth, intellectual consistency, patriotism, or basic humanity.

You can try and defend the "official" platform and say you just want lower taxes and "state's rights" - which has also been shown to be a fair weather belief - but the rest of that party is embracing religious extremism, white nationalism, bigotry, misogyny, chaotic foreign policy, embrace of dictators, anti-science, and so many more bad positions.

Can't compromise with fascists.

Which is par for the course, given their general misunderstanding of multisyllabic words.

I think it's because republicans have been lead around by the nose by the worst people in media, religion, and politics... and they are now completely divorced from any ethical obligations to truth, intellectual consistency, patriotism, or basic humanity.

You can try and defend the "official" platform and say you just want lower taxes and "state's rights" - which has also been shown to be a fair weather belief - but the rest of that party is embracing religious extremism, white nationalism, bigotry, misogyny, chaotic foreign policy, embrace of dictators, anti-science, and so many more bad positions.

I think it's even worse than that. So much emphasis is placed on factions and labels that people will consistently act against their own interests just so "their" team can win. I've seen so many self described Republican voters that straight up agree with the far left on many policies when you take teams out of it. This isn't horseshoe bullshit, they have left wing views. However, their identity as a Republican takes priority over their views, mostly because they're so scared of ""them"".

This doesn't change the fact that their actions are harmful, only that many of them aren't inherently evil.

So is Civil War the answer then?

So is Civil War the answer then?

Those are the only two choices?

Capitulation to fascists, or civil war?

What is option 3?

People who say this kind of shit in American politics usually mean democrats need to coddle the already entitled repugs. They're quite supportive of said repugs having this mentality:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7ae1fd1d.jpg

Their "reaching across the aisle" only goes on way, and they usually mean give the repugs 200% of what they want, even if they don't aren't in power.

Yeah, what you are describing here is an American populism that was born out of the last few decades of growing income inequality and then solidified after a series of financial industry crashes and bailouts created through greed and incompetence.

Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders tapped into this populism, but unfortunately America picked the fake populist with a gold toilet in his exclusive golf resort none of these rank and file MAGA voters would be allowed to set foot on, even in their nicest clothes.

But this conservative populism, which does share some values with the far left labor movement and other legitimate organizational populist movements on the left... also has some key differences: Right wing populists are extremely xenophobic and want to cut off most of all immigration from poor or non-white countries as an example,

while on the left the labor populists think we solve immigration by making jobs have appealing and livable wages for native born citizens, instead of a second class labor force afraid to speak out against employee abuses driving down wages.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c867e095.jpg

Literal posters on this board have said that the Democrats need to realize that some LGBTQ issues are election losers and move on, such as gender-affirming healthcare for teens

how things get done.

That's life.

You all need to accept this. It's not ideal, but it's reality.

Peace.

You're absolutely right and I got a good laugh of the first few replies you got. So much for being tolerant, moral high ground, yada yada yada

You're absolutely right and I got a good laugh of the first few replies you got. So much for being tolerant, moral high ground, yada yada yada

Outvote them and out work them until they realize that courting extremism is not a viable path to victory long term.

You're absolutely right and I got a good laugh of the first few replies you got. So much for being tolerant, moral high ground, yada yada yada

free rights apply to all legal Americans

You can't out-vote fascists because they'll cheat. You can outlaw them, though.

Dispite the increased drama, I see more similarities than differences amongst the parties now a days.

"Why won't you tolerate our intolerance!" - the post

Sure you can. The last few elections we have. I think we will in November too.

@xlr_big-coop

So you think racism, sexism and homophobia are minor issues?

@xlr_big-coop

So you think racism, sexism and homophobia are minor issues?

Literal posters on this board have said that the Democrats need to realize that some LGBTQ issues are election losers and move on, such as gender-affirming healthcare for teens

Lol they're still fucking there. Ain't shit got voted out.

Despite what Star Trek says the pen is not that mightier than the sword.

It's like they think we only support the LGBTQ community because we want their votes.

They don't seem to be able to understand empathy and that some people support them because they think they should have a right to exist.

When it comes down to economics both parties are corporatists, so are quite willing compromise if it means helping out their benefactors. Even on some of the side stuff it is mostly Kubuki theater, a lot of wind is exchanged, but ultimately nothing meaningful in terms of actual substance. Like illegal immigration for instance. The Republicans will talk the talk, but when it comes down to it, they like the cheap labor that comes along with it, so don't legislate against it too harshly. Dispite the increased drama, I see more similarities than differences amongst the parties now a days.

Of course they are still there.

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