A lot of Bernie stans seem to run on Underpants Gnome logic.The point in the first half of his post undercut the point he made in the second half lol
1. Implement ranked choice
2. ?????????
3. Profit!
The democrat party is still run by conservative dems. Any progressive like Bernie who reaches for the top, will always get shut down by the elites.Yeah this.
I mean I have my doubts about Bernie's strength as a national candidate anywayWe saw Bernie do well with a crowded field. With ranked choice voting anyone else could stay in too. Bloomberg, Chris Christy, Andrew Yang, RFK ect.
I'm not sure this logic tracks. Warren and Bloomberg both stayed in until after Super Tuesday, then dropped within two days of that. Unless you mean Tulsi, but she got such a negligible amount of votes I'm not sure she'd be worth mentioning. Yes, the people who dropped endorsed Biden, but if Bernie could only win by virtue of other people staying in the race, does that really say anything?
I mean I have my doubts about Bernie's strength as a national candidate anyway
Better question, why don't the democrats ever correct anybody, particularly Republicans, when the word Socialism is mischaracterized and incorrectly defined?
Same reason.
He advocated a bunch of social democrat policies which he called socialism like Nordic states have (they aren't socialist).It's not a coincidence Social democracy and Socialism start with the same root word.
generally speaking? Because he's running a campaign that's easy to misconstrue against a huge Known Brand figure every time.Basically 5is.
I don't understand why people act like it's some huge unexpected thing for the incumbent or other super-public figure to win the primary. Bernie could run on whatever massively-popular platform he wants and he'd still lose when up against hillary or biden because the average person goes "hey I know that name"
people keep trying to play that up as some kind of policy thing when it's really not that deep. That's also why I'm not particularly concerned with this year's election despite what's at stake - because I am reasonably convinced the general public will simply vote for the guy we already have.
There is admittedly even odds that they'll vote for agent orange for the same reasons, but then again a lot of the folks who did last time around died. So.
It's not a coincidence Social democracy and Socialism start with the same root word.
Neither Klobuchar or Buttigieg were ever budgeting or expecting to stay in till Super Tuesday. That was never the intention and there were never funds for that.
The former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg is looking forward to this week as 14 states, including Colorado, hold primaries for the Democratic nomination.
Thats despite coming up with zero delegates in the South Carolina primary.
Theres no denying the formidable finish that Vice President Biden had, Buttigieg told CPRs Colorado Matters Sunday.
Joe Biden got nearly half of the vote there and Sen. Bernie Sanders came in second.
Buttigieg, who was in a distant fourth place with 8 percent of the vote, said Bidens tremendous support from the black community and the level of trust they have in the former vice president was a huge advantage. But that doesnt stop his campaign from pressing ahead.
What we also have is an insistence on the power of outreach and wanting to continue connecting with all humility. Whether it's black voters in the South, Latino voters in Texas and in the West, or anyone else who rightfully developed a lot of skepticism about newcomers, Buttigieg said.
Two days before Super Tuesday, CBS News estimates that Buttigieg is now in third place in the national delegate race, behind Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders and Biden. Buttigieg told reporters that the campaign is approaching Super Tuesday by focusing on reaching the viability threshold in certain congressional districts to pick up delegates.
"We'll be doing a lot of math today and continually assessing what the best places are to make sure that limited resources are deployed," Buttigieg added.
In a call with reporters on Saturday, senior aides said the campaign is looking to minimize Sanders' delegate gains. The campaign detailed in a memo released before the South Carolina debate last week that they are hoping to be within 350 delegates of Sanders after Super Tuesday.
He said he was encouraged by his recent visit to Colorado -- and hopes that will translate to being awarded delegates here.
On a conference call with campaign donors on Sunday evening, Mr. Buttigieg said he had reached the decision with regret but concluded it was the right thing to do, when we looked at the math, according to one person on the call. Without mentioning opponents by name, Mr. Buttigieg said he was concerned about the impact he would have on the race by staying in, saying Democrats needed to field the right kind of nominee against Mr. Trump.
Mr. Obama did not specifically encourage Mr. Buttigieg to endorse Mr. Biden, said the official, who insisted on anonymity to discuss private conversations. But Mr. Obama did note that Mr. Buttigieg has considerable leverage at the moment and should think about how best to use it.
Lol, I forgot you're like the poster child for Americans who think socialism means government doing stuff. The more stuff government does the more socialist it is!What scale would you put, socialism, democratic socialism, social democracy, and Bernie's politics.
What scale would you put, socialism, democratic socialism, social democracy, and Bernie's politics.
The political compass has a left and right economic scale.
Oh yeah talking about the limited funds means that money wasnt an issue
Biden built a coalition that won him the White House.
Oh yeah talking about the limited funds means that money wasnt an issueAll evidence suggests Biden didnt build shit and that the party built the coalition for him. Hence Obama calling people, not Biden.
Biden built a coalition that won him the White House. Thats what youre supposed to do. Thats what Bernie failed at.
The political compass is useless. It doesn't tell you the fundamental differences between economic systems. Different flavors of capitalism aren't comparable to socialism. They use a fundamentally different model. One involves the means of production in the hands of private entities. The other has it in the hands of workers. The left/right stuff also conflates a bunch of social issues that have nothing to do with economics. So Americans get confused by left-wing nationalism or a right wing party that supports LGBT or immigrants, because their entire concept of politics is just Democrats and Republicans. It's useless to even talk about socialism because people like you refuse to actually engage with the concept and just go on about government spending, welfare, or some other unrelated policy.I'm not the one refusing to engage in the concept. Socialism, Social Democracy, and Democratic Socialism are all related further left of most U.S. Democratic politicians.
He was never a good candidate on his own, he lost two primaries before 2020
People WAY overstate Biden's Presidential Campaigns.
He dropped out of the 1988 race in 1987. People act like that was some monumental failure when it was more an aborted campaign because of stupid reasons. He dropped out in 2008 after a single contest (Iowa).
Quite simply, those are almost completely irrelevant, since being VP is what raised his profile enough to finally be considered a viable candidate. Before that he had limited visibility or recognition.
People WAY overstate Biden's Presidential Campaigns.The VP thing is legit. Im convinced that if Trump was a former Democratic VP, Democratic primary voters would vote for him. Thats how fucked in the head Democratic primary voters are.
He dropped out of the 1988 race in 1987. People act like that was some monumental failure when it was more an aborted campaign because of stupid reasons. He dropped out in 2008 after a single contest (Iowa).
Quite simply, those are almost completely irrelevant, since being VP is what raised his profile enough to finally be considered a viable candidate. Before that he had limited visibility or recognition.
Warren staying in siphoned votes from Bernie as they shared similar demographics despite Bernie being on the winning end. It was so clear that Warren's inclusion sabotaged Bernie that even Trump had to tweet to blame Warren for screwing him over.
He's unelectable
He did fine in general election polls. Just not primary polls. He's half-electable.If somehow he ever held the highest office he would get stonewalled harder than Obama did. Republicans and establishment Democrats hate him.
He did fine in general election polls. Just not primary polls. He's half-electable.He lost both primaries he was in
Why is the argument always that Warren siphoned votes from Bernie and not that Bernie siphoned votes from Warren?Reddit needs their moment
Maybe he should've dropped out if their policies and voters are so similar?
He lost both primaries he was in
Why is the argument always that Warren siphoned votes from Bernie and not that Bernie siphoned votes from Warren?
Maybe he should've dropped out if their policies and voters are so similar?
Again Biden lost two primaries then won a third, he probably would've been strong in a general but just could not get the primary to work until the Obama association earned him trust with the party.Plenty of other politicians have won primaries and the presidency without having been vice president and even disliked by their own parties beforehand
Bernie will just never get that trust, so he's permanently stuck in 2008 Biden's predicament.
That said, that poor sportsmanship in 2019 doesn't justify Warren's in 2020. She publicly accused Bernie of saying a woman couldn't win and went scorched earth against Bernie and Buttigieg out of spite, basically letting Biden coast, and only went back after him post-SC when it was way too late, when realistically the only pro-progressive play at that point was to just drop out and endorse the one actually managing to win states.I mean is it "poor sportsmanship" or is it "you're trying to gain the advantage over your opponents in an election"?
Warren also failed to build the coalition she needed.
I mean is it "poor sportsmanship" or is it "you're trying to gain the advantage over your opponents in an election"?
and that Bernie could have won the primary if the media and all his opponents were less mean and unfair to him
like, if Sanders can't win in a primary and the majority of voters don't care for him and the media is too mean to him, then he would also be a fucking disastrous general election candidate if he's incapable of overcoming either of those things
Plenty of other politicians have won primaries and the presidency without having been vice president and even disliked by their own parties beforehand
Trump, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Kennedy, Eisenhower, FDR, etc.
Has it occurred to you that Bernie is just maybe not great at running campaigns and actually putting together and mobilizing a coalition?
People WAY overstate Biden's Presidential Campaigns.He dropped out in the 80s because it became public knowledge that he had cheated his way through school.
He dropped out of the 1988 race in 1987. People act like that was some monumental failure when it was more an aborted campaign because of stupid reasons. He dropped out in 2008 after a single contest (Iowa).
Quite simply, those are almost completely irrelevant, since being VP is what raised his profile enough to finally be considered a viable candidate. Before that he had limited visibility or recognition.
The VP thing is legit. Im convinced that if Trump was a former Democratic VP, Democratic primary voters would vote for him. Thats how fucked in the head Democratic primary voters are.No they would not.
The democrat party is still run by conservative dems. Any progressive like Bernie who reaches for the top, will always get shut down by the elites.
Warren didn't "stay in," though. She dropped out mere days after most of the others dropped out, and either the day of, or only a day after, Bloomberg dropped out, and Bloomberg took votes from Biden.
Super Tuesday is just 3 days after South Carolina. If you've already made it to the SC primary, it costs virtually nothing to just stay in for ST too.
What happened is his donors called him that night and convinced him to drop out:
He then repeatedly portrayed Warren as the "spoiler" in an apparent bid to further drive a wedge between her and Sanders and their supporters. Had Warren dropped out before Super Tuesday, Sanders "would've won a lot of states, including Massachusetts, probably Texas, definitely Minnesota. So Bernie would've won states that he lost and he lost fairly easily, but in particular Massachusetts," Trump said.
"I would imagine there are others that he would've picked up," he said of Sanders. "So, Elizabeth Warren was the single biggest factor in the election last night. It would've been a very different thing, and not in a positive way for her, in a very selfish way for her. She was very selfish, from that point of view.
She dropped out after siphoning votes from Sanders. refer to Diceheist's post #66.are we taking Donald Trumps political analysis at face value now
And Dice's post talks about the collusion the Biden team did to consolidate votes in his favor. Warren staying in only benefited Biden. Even Trump pointed this out.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-super-tuesday-biden-incredible-warren-spoiler-bloomberg-won-nothing-n1149766
You can point to Bloomberg staying in, but it no way refutes the obvious reported (and I guess legal) collusion the Biden team did. I don't understand how there are people contesting this.
are we taking Donald Trumps political analysis at face value now