Can CE help me find a verse in the bible?

I know religion isn't exactly super popular here, but I also know that a lot of CEmen have read the bible/has good knowledge about it.

What I remember about it is that some title or something will be given to John and that, atleast in the past, has had some controversy/discussion because the sentence or whatnot just ends with John iirc, and even though there is a John, it isn't specified as John the apostle and what was given to him was very important.

I could swear it was something Jesus had or even the title Son of man, but I can't find anythinonon it or about it on Google and don't know if I'm misremembering, or am just wrong.

I do know that for some reason, what it implies has either had some controversy, or at least discussion because of something being given to John or having something to do with him in the future, and there was some discussion of whether or not it was John as in the apostle or a different John.

Please help CE.

Ehsan El Gaheb!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_people_named_John

John of the high-priestly family seems relevant

The kwisatz haderach

https://www.biblegateway.com/

Guys, I haven't watched Dune.

Can someone spoil me on what the meaning of both Dune related posts is exactly?

HylianFox posted...

https://www.biblegateway.com/

I've tried this already. Short of just reading the entire bible and looking for it or even skimming it, I don't know how to find it. >.<

itachi15243 posted...

Guys, I haven't watched Dune.

Can someone spoil me on what the meaning of both Dune related posts is exactly?

I've tried this already. Short of just reading the entire bible and looking for it or even skimming it, I don't know how to find it. >.<

Paul is a Christ-like figure and gets a lot of alternative names/titles.

John 19:26-27

26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, Woman,[a] here is your son, 27 and to the disciple, Here is your mother. From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

thisworld posted...

John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, Woman,[a] here is your son, 27 and to the disciple, Here is your mother. From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

I don't think this is exactly what I'm looking for, but it feels close. It's definitely interesting.

The fact that there are so many disagreements about whether John the baptist was the same person who wrote the gospel of John, who also may not have been the same person who actually followed Jesus, and so on makes it really hard to find the exact verse I'm looking for.

itachi15243 posted...

The fact that there are so many disagreements about whether John the baptist was the same person who wrote the gospel of John, who also may not have been the same person who actually followed Jesus, and so on makes it really hard to find the exact verse I'm looking for.

Wait wait wait where did you learn that!? Is this bait? Because this sure smells like a bait. Shit last I checked fandom nuked the religion board. I'm gonna get modded for this

About the author of Gospel of John:
1.) A certain anonymous Beloved Disciple followed Jesus. This beloved disciple was most likely one of the Twelve Apostles because they sat next to Jesus during Last Supper. John 13:23

23 One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him.

2.) That beloved disciple later wrote a testimony and someone else wrote the Gospel of John based on said testimony. Iirc historians call this someone else John the Evangelist . John 21:20,24

20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them.
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

Traditionally the Church holds that:

Beloved Disciple (primary source) = John the Evangelist (author) = John the Apostle

The trouble with John the Baptist idea like you said is the fact that John the Baptist was executed during the ministry of Jesus. This is recorded both by the Gospels and by a non-biblical source, Jewish historian Josephus. For example, John 3:22-24, in particular 3:24

22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized. 24 (This was before John was put in prison.)

On the other hand the Beloved Disciple was there after Jesus died. John 20:1-2

20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we dont know where they have put him!

There's practically zero chance that John the Baptist was John the Evangelist. Or the Beloved Disciple for that matter.

itachi15243 posted...

I don't think this is exactly what I'm looking for, but it feels close. It's definitely interesting.

The fact that there are so many disagreements about whether John the baptist was the same person who wrote the gospel of John, who also may not have been the same person who actually followed Jesus, and so on makes it really hard to find the exact verse I'm looking for.

John the Baptist wad Jesus cousin and he went to jail and got beheaded before Jesus final year.
John the apostle lived many years and was exiled to Patmos where he wrote Revelation. Infact I think he outlived all the other apostles as the other got killed in various ways.

Bump

I thought the confusion over john in the bible was well known tbh.