Israel/Palestina War XV - The Big Attack on Rafah?

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Fenriswolf posted...
MAGA dickheads showed up to counterprotest the Palestinian protesters in Mississippi, and managed to shout both anti-Palestinian and antisemitic garbage:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/04/university-of-mississippi-counter-protesters

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Not a real chin in the whole crowd.
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punkfanalways posted...
Meh. Im not denying the Israeli propaganda exists. But Al Jazeera doesnt exactly have a clean history either.

Who blew up an AP building.
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cjsdowg posted...
Who blew up an AP building.

Israel. Why?
Who have killed lots of clearly marked journalists over the years?
Who killed a whole family just because the husband is a journalist?
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Ok. I dont get the point. None of that means Al Jazerra dont have their own history of controversies.

Im not a fan of who is the worst top trumps.
Fony posted...
Joe Biden is the most outspoken fire breathing Israel supporter in our government and has been all of his life. He is simply saying what needs to be said to quench his progressive voter base.

You misspelled Chuck Schumer.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-5-2024/
Hamas shoots rockets, IDF respons with airraid.
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Foppe posted...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-5-2024/
Hamas shoots rockets, IDF respons with airraid.

At this point, I'm surprised they haven't just carpet napalmed the West Bank.
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DnDer posted...
At this point, I'm surprised they haven't just carpet napalmed the West Bank.
And possibly kill the Settlers?
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Foppe posted...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-5-2024/
Hamas shoots rockets, IDF respons with airraid.

Im aware of the power dynamics in play but what the fuck are Hamas doing shooting rockets during the middle of ceasefire talks from Rafah of all places. Im 100% against the level of destruction Israel have caused but Hamas are really fucking things up for the innocent people in Gaza.
punkfanalways posted...
Im aware of the power dynamics in play but what the fuck are Hamas doing shooting rockets during the middle of ceasefire talks from Rafah of all places. Im 100% against the level of destruction Israel have caused but Hamas are really fucking things up for the innocent people in Gaza.
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said earlier that Israel had identified signs that Hamas is not interested in a hostage deal, and in turn, the military will launch its offensive in southern Gazas Rafah in the near future.
So this could either be because they decided to reject the deal, or a response to Israel saying that they rejected the deal, or an independent group inside Hamas that are not at the same page, or it could even be another non-Hamas group.
Seems like Hamas claimed that they did it.
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Sabotaged it by forcing Hamas to shoot rockets. Yeah. Like Im not ok with what Israel have been doing but Hamas are not good guys.
Sabotage in this is in reference to Netanyahus comments:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-30-2024-f5e14fd176d69f9c4e23b48f3ab5af6a
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged Tuesday to launch an incursion into the southern Gaza city of Rafah, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are sheltering from the almost 7-month-long war, just as cease-fire negotiations between Israel and Hamas appear to be gaining steam.

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punkfanalways posted...
Sabotaged it by forcing Hamas to shoot rockets. Yeah. Like Im not ok with what Israel have been doing but Hamas are not good guys.
Maybe not but condemning them just feels hypocritical IMO.
Looks like Haaretz may be shut down next if they keep criticizing the state at this point.
Just call me Discount Dan.
punkfanalways posted...
Sabotaged it by forcing Hamas to shoot rockets. Yeah. Like Im not ok with what Israel have been doing but Hamas are not good guys.

literally no one in this thread are saying that Hamas is "the good guys", you need to stop saying that crap. I know you've been conditioned your whole life to see the world as goodies and baddies but the real world is not like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

and to answer your previous question, as a general rule in any conflict, escalation nearly always occurs on both sides during negotiations as both sides seek to increase their leverage and look tough to their opponents.
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ZechtAurion posted...
Maybe not but condemning them just feels hypocritical IMO.

Condemning who? Just so we are on the same page.
punkfanalways posted...
Condemning who? Just so we are on the same page.
Hamas.
Foppe posted...
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said earlier that Israel had identified signs that Hamas is not interested in a hostage deal,
Hard to strike a hostage deal when the first batch of captives go "missing"
ZechtAurion posted...
Hamas.

Yeah no. Hamas absolutely deserve to be condemned. As do Israel.
Israel deserve 20 times more condemnation than Hamas simply by the fact that the scale and intensity of their crimes are on a whole different level, and also the fact that Israel holds all the power. The more power, the more responsibility.

the whole "both sides" argument has always been an absurd distraction from the widespread and systematic crimes of a lawless belligerent nuclear power engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing of a stateless occupied population.
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conduit posted...
Israel deserve 20 times more condemnation than Hamas simply by the fact that the scale and intensity of their crimes are on a whole different level
Hamas would do plenty worse if they had the means to do so. They would happily commit genocide if they had the power to do so. Stop this nonsense.
conduit posted...
Israel deserve 20 times more condemnation than Hamas simply by the fact that the scale and intensity of their crimes are on a whole different level, and also the fact that Israel holds all the power. The more power, the more responsibility.

the whole "both sides" argument has always been an absurd distraction from the widespread and systematic crimes of a lawless belligerent nuclear power engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing of a stateless occupied population.

conduit posted...
Israel deserve 20 times more condemnation than Hamas simply by the fact that the scale and intensity of their crimes are on a whole different level, and also the fact that Israel holds all the power. The more power, the more responsibility.

the whole "both sides" argument has always been an absurd distraction from the widespread and systematic crimes of a lawless belligerent nuclear power engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing of a stateless occupied population.

Problem is you see the both sides argument as a way for people to dismiss what Israel do. I dont see it like that. As I said above. Israel should be criticised when they do bad and Hamas should be criticised when they do bad.
I see it as unproductive because it ignores where responsibility lies.

and to Bloodychess, you can't use hypotheticals justify genocide no matter how much you want to.
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I see it as unproductive because it can be seen as giving Hamas a free pass and despite completely being against what Israel has done in Gaza, Hamas have done shitty things as well.

Whatever future lies ahead for Gaza it has to be without Hamas.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-idf-intel-assesses-that-hamas-will-survive-as-terror-group-post-war/

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https://www.axios.com/2024/05/05/israel-us-ammunition-shipment-holUSA seems to pause ammo shipment to Israel.
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punkfanalways posted...
I see it as unproductive because it can be seen as giving Hamas a free pass
Hamas is an internationally-recognized terrorist organization and Israel assassinated the children and grandchildren of Hamas's leader then called the grandchildren under the age of 10 terrorists and nobody really gives a fuck.

Suggesting that they get a free pass in any capacity is so ridiculous that it can only reasonably be parsed as disingenuous.
punkfanalways posted...
Yeah no. Hamas absolutely deserve to be condemned. As do Israel.
Feel free to be a hypocrite then, you've seen what they're fighting against and we both know we'd do much worse if we were in their shoes.

They're just a bunch of orphans, let that sink in.
i think you need to look up the word hypocrite in a dictionary
punkfanalways posted...
i think you need to look up the word hypocrite in a dictionary
Maybe you should.
punkfanalways posted...
I see it as unproductive because it can be seen as giving Hamas a free pass and despite completely being against what Israel has done in Gaza, Hamas have done shitty things as well.

Whatever future lies ahead for Gaza it has to be without Hamas.

In just the last two pages of this topic, you've said "Okay well Al Jazeera isn't great either" and "Let's not forget that Hamas is just as bad" in response to things.

It just kind of feels like you're more interested in "everyone getting blamed" than actually believing that Israel is in the wrong.
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punkfanalways posted...
Whatever future lies ahead for Gaza it has to be without Hamas.

And Israel's future shouldn't be considered with either Netanyahu or Likud present.

They're untenable as an option to peace.
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AP seems to think it's going down right now

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1787354853745815902?t=aS5lODhhW7gisUz3jIJg4w&s=19
THRILLHO
DnDer posted...
And Israel's future shouldn't be considered with either Netanyahu or Likud present.

They're untenable as an option to peace.

Yes I agree.
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ironman2009 posted...
AP seems to think it's going down right now

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1787354853745815902?t=aS5lODhhW7gisUz3jIJg4w&s=19
There is a reason Al-Jazeera got shut down right before this. IDF is gonna go super hard on their war crimes and don't want any news of it getting out.
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Full stop, the first batch of hostages went missing likely because Israel killed them in their indiscriminate bombing campaigns.
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Yazarogi posted...
Full stop, the first batch of hostages went missing likely because Israel killed them in their indiscriminate bombing campaigns.
You may very well be right. A now freed hostage almost died early on because Hamas held her and others in regular houses before being bombed. She almost died herself
Bombing of Rafah started a few hours ago
THRILLHO
ironman2009 posted...
Bombing of Rafah started a few hours ago

Not doubting it but source?
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-accepts-ceasefire-proposal-egypt-qatar-2024-05-06
Hamas accepts ceasefire?
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ironman2009 posted...
Bombing of Rafah started a few hours ago

The IDF has been bombing Rafah for weeks. It's not necessarily an indication that the invasion is imminent.
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Foppe posted...
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-accepts-ceasefire-proposal-egypt-qatar-2024-05-06
Hamas accepts ceasefire?

Good news.
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ironman2009 posted...
AP seems to think it's going down right now

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1787354853745815902?t=aS5lODhhW7gisUz3jIJg4w&s=19


Evacuate WHERE? Israel literally kills any human being that moves north at this time and there is no where south to go anymore. Fucking evil pieces of shit.


SHRlKE posted...
Good news.

Not until Israel accepts. They're the ones doin a genocide.

Hamas has accepted ceasefire deals before. Wanted to return all hostages in exchange for israel to stop bombing them.

https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1786769735125757971
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punkfanalways posted...
Sabotaged it by forcing Hamas to shoot rockets. Yeah. Like Im not ok with what Israel have been doing but Hamas are not good guys.

Is there ANYBODY saying the contrary?!
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Is there ANYBODY saying the contrary?!

A few guys earlier absolutely. Ill see if I can find the posts. At the very least refusing to condemn Hamas for their actions under the guise of but Israel.
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Seems like Israel just said no to the ceasefire.
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