To think America used to fight against genocide. Now all of our political parties crave it.You must have missed what happened to the natives
We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor,
You must have missed what happened to the natives
I don't think most people care about the Israel/Palestine stuff much. Mostly Jews and Muslims. We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor, otherwise America wouldn't have anything to do with this mess. So it's not really most people's business.You're probably not wrong that most Americans probably don't care about it and don't care to be informed. Hell, I'm not surprised, considering the average American thinks gender means the same thing as sex. Most people will only care about movements that impact them directly. How many Americans cared about Black Lives Matter, Stop Asian Hate, and post 9-11 stuff that impacted anyone who looks Middle Eastern, Muslim, or had a turban on? It's sad
You must have missed what happened to the nativesstill happening too
I don't think most people care about the Israel/Palestine stuff much. Mostly Jews and Muslims. We have an ancient pact with Israel that we have to honor, otherwise America wouldn't have anything to do with this mess. So it's not really most people's business.Wait what ancient pact lol.
What the fuck is this, some anime?
What is there some ancient fucking scroll that reads in some scribbled text "If one of us decides to do a genocide, the other country must support it with no exceptions"
What an insane post.
Also to ignore the tens of thousands of students that are currently absolutely caring about genocide, in so far as they're getting arrested over it, is weird.
What the fuck is this, some anime?I'm talking about basically all this history, and the formation of Isreal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
What is there some ancient fucking scroll that reads in some scribbled text "If one of us decides to do a genocide, the other country must support it with no exceptions"
What an insane post.
Also to ignore the tens of thousands of students that are currently absolutely caring about genocide, in so far as they're getting arrested over it, is weird.
Dems have been consistently outperforming in special elections and the midterms, and those are the kind of races Dems tend to suffer at. It's gross that it looks like Biden and the Dems will go unpunished for supporting a genocide, but I think their odds are good come November. Most people understanding we're not really voting for Biden, we're voting against Trump.
I'm talking about basically all this history, and the formation of Isreal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
The US under Hoover thought we should be meddling in the middle east because Hoover was a moron, but nobody ever argued the point so we still do it to this day. The end of WWII signal led us becoming the world police, another deal that was bad for us, so that's what we have done to this day. So what you end up with is America fucked with the Palestine / Isreal stuff because it's always been our fault from the moment we began meddling. As far as I'm concerned opinionated students can mind their own fucking business or get a life, we are too heavily entrenched now as the world police to have any say on how we divorce ourselves from the middle east entirely. If people happen to be Muslim or Jewish or have some connection to those countries I can sympathize, and I wish we could get out of the mess but we can't. It's the long version of the War on Terror.
Arcanine you can consider this my rebuttal to your argument as well. Israel is a pro-slavery dictatorship and Hamas is a terrorist organization claiming they are helping misplaced Jews claim back their holy land. I don't see much good on either side, but indeed there are thousands of victims.
I know a lot of people are really passionate about this, but it is in fact not an important issue to most young voters (and young voters don't vote much and no this election won't be different).It's not the I/P issue anymore.
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How did that work out for Kerry 2004?Aside for Trade Tariffs(which some have been eased) that other stuff isn't really something he can do. But even with the trade tariffs, if Republicans and Democrats in government are largely aligned then it is going to continue. Even though a trade war with China is stupid, and only serves to hurt the Chinese people and American people, not just the governments.
May I remind you that Biden failed to undo many of Trump's foreign policy fuck ups that he criticized Trump for? Like not reinstating the Iran nuclear deal? Not moving the US embassy out of Jerusalem? Not ending the tariffs and trade war against China? And now banning Tiktok?
It's not the I/P issue anymore.The police are right-wing, and police violence would get MUCH worse in a second Trump presidency.
It's the police violence that's going to turn young voters off.
And make it seem like the country is falling apart.
The police are right-wing, and police violence would get MUCH worse in a second Trump presidency.I know. But we are talking about what we are seeing now.
just saw a reddit comment for thisMan, so Biden has become a useful idiot for Russia, Israel, TikTok China, and Saudi Arabia. They knew hed never pass up supporting genocide, even if it helps get Trump elected.
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It's not the I/P issue anymore.
It's the police violence that's going to turn young voters off.
just saw a reddit comment for this
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So, to summarize that post, the people committing genocide are tricking people into protesting that genocide, in order to get away with more genocide? So what's the solution? Stop protesting genocide and hope that they just stop committing genocide?
I doubt it. They're a small minority of a minority and again young people don't vote in significant enough number to matter compared to older ones. Old people are the important factor and they're fully propagandized toward Israel and if Biden wants to win it would be a mistake to alienate reliable older voters for the possibility of getting some young highly unreliable voters. If you were making a moral argument that US support of Israel is wrong I would agree with you, but you're making an argument that this will hurt Biden's chances and the data just doesn't support that narrative.You're missing the point. It's about how violent these police are getting under Biden that's the problem
You're missing the point. It's about how violent these police are getting under Biden that's the problem
as opposed to how peaceful they've historically been during protests?Police have never ever been this violent. At least within our lifetimes.
Police have never ever been this violent. At least within our lifetimes.
Not during BLM. Not during J6. Not during Unite the Right. You have to go decades after decades back to find when police were this violent.
oh. you're trolling. My bad, carry on sir!Bro stop. They literally are beating these protestors with 1000x the energy they respond to against school shootings.
there is one pressure point there to work on, get back blue majority in congress. Maybe something happens then, if not you can call him genocide Joe then.
Bro stop. They literally are beating these protestors with 1000x the energy they respond to against school shootings.
You know you often post stuff that makes people think you are being disingenuous, but the claim police are the most violent ever right now is a new record.I'm talking against protestors and groups.
Bro police literally murdered unarmed black people, shot Vietnam war protestors, th e list goes on. This is absolutely not the most violent ever.
I know you might find this hard to believe. But we don't actually have to do this. There is no "pact". Israel is a powerful country without our support. The fact that we're still giving them money and weapons to continue doing a genocide is gross, and the argument of "well its just how it's always been and how it always should be" is fucking dumb.I didn't say it should be this way, I said this is how it is. I'm not sure if you're wanting me to be some sort of armchair-legal-historian here but I'm not pointing at any single agreement, I'm saying there have been a ton of agreements forcing us into this. I think they should be cut, but the entire world will have to change before we can just ignore the Israel problem. In other words, right now in THIS reality this ship sailed long ago and anybody not directly attached to the issue has no business caring. I don't see Gaza as an issue for or against either candidate nor do I see it as anywhere newsworthy as it is getting, the only problem I see that literally nobody can change is wrongheaded activists on either side of the Israel/Palistine issue blaming current politicians for the problem they inherited here and voting against them. That will cause swings in some areas, likely against Biden (incorrectly), but again nothing to do about that. We are allied with Israel. It would be interesting to see if Trump did just pull out and stop trading with Israel but I don't think it's an option in the near future.
just saw a reddit comment for this
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It would be interesting to see if Trump did just pull out and stop trading with Israel but I don't think it's an option in the near future.
Trump is mad at Biden for holding Israel back. He wants them to attack harder and faster. He also wants the protesters stopped with more force than we are already seeing. There are some posters here who want Trump to win and will try to make you think it won't be worse and might even be better. That's because they want Trump to win.That doesn't surprise me.
Oh my God.I guess maybe I'm not understanding what you were referring to in the OP. Police brutality? Do you have a link?
This is like.
The first negative topic or thing I've ever made about Biden.
The reality is there is something utterly wrong with the way Biden is responding.
Would Trump be worse? Yes. But this shit going on isn't normal either.
In other words, right now in THIS reality this ship sailed long ago and anybody not directly attached to the issue has no business caring.
The first negative topic or thing I've ever made about Biden.