I think it's pretty telling how, to some people, the mere thought of a free Palestine somehow implies genocide while the actual genocide happening in Palestine rn is somehow not a genocide to these same people.
I think it's pretty telling how, to some people, the mere thought of a free Palestine somehow implies genocide while the actual genocide happening in Palestine rn is somehow not a genocide to these same people.
I'm sure the specific usage of "pig shit" was just an odd coincidence here right? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.Elaborate. Dude said Jewish feelings don't matter because Israel is attacking Palestinians. He's a blatant racist. If that offends you, you're likely no better.
Elaborate. Dude said Jewish feelings don't matter because Israel is attacking Palestinians. He's a blatant racist. If that offends you, you're likely no better.
I think it's pretty telling how, to some people, the mere thought of a free Palestine somehow implies genocide while the actual genocide happening in Palestine rn is somehow not a genocide to these same people.
Precisely. "Thoughts of a genocide are scary!" Oh are they? Then why is Israel committing one?
Phrases are more than just their origin. Phrases can be co-opted
And do you think genocide should be met with genocide? If the shoe was on the other foot would that be suddenly ok?this was posted without a hint of irony
And do you think genocide should be met with genocide? If the shoe was on the other foot would that be suddenly ok?
So what do you think Hamas means when they say this phrase?I think the general meaning is that Palestinians are fighting for the day they can move freely and have agency from the river to the sea. This phrase is not a call for genocide, and to believe that it is says more about you than the people chanting the phrase.
And do you think genocide should be met with genocide? If the shoe was on the other foot would that be suddenly ok?
So why doesn't this apply to the phrase in question?
Why are you more up in arms about a phrase that could potentially refer to genocide than the ACTUAL genocide that's currently ongoing?
Ooof the mask is slipping homie, might want to reel it back a bit.
I think the general meaning is that Palestinians are fighting for the day they can move freely and have agency from the river to the sea. This phrase is not a call for genocide, and to believe that it is says more about you than the people chanting the phrase.
So why doesn't this apply to the phrase in question?
Why are you more up in arms about a phrase that could potentially refer to genocide than the ACTUAL genocide that's currently ongoing?
And the guy that uses a thousand year old insult to imply Muslims aren't even human is not worthy of saying anything...ever. You used that specific term on purpose.That literally never crossed my mind in the slightest. I didn't even know what you meant. I didn't even know that was a term. Hence why I asked you to elaborate. I call lots of shitty things various forms of animal shit.
Don't really care how it makes anyone feel when the Israelis are engaging in genocide. The only things that matter are ending their genocide and ousting the current colonial apartheid state from power.
But to hear this not be quieted down with its association with Hamas and their rhetoric, it scares you about anti-semitic sentiment in America/the world.It doesn't scare me because I'm not a disingenous fear mongerer
It doesn't scare me because I'm not a disingenous fear mongerer
After October 7th, if a pro-israel protest was saying this kind of thing, it would be equally scary and horrific I imagine.LOL
I think that Israel's actions should be protested, but as a Jewish person obviously it hits close to home seeing that people that consider themselves in the right can say things like this gladly, in colleges, etc, and have it not be shouted down. After October 7th, if a pro-israel protest was saying this kind of thing, it would be equally scary and horrific I imagine.
LOL
So you didn't answer my question, at all.
You said that phrases are more than their origins and can be co-opted. Why does this not apply to the phrase in question? It's been co-opted and become more than its origin it seems.
Why is this funny....Please tell me you were kidding.
I think the general meaning is that Palestinians are fighting for the day they can move freely and have agency from the river to the sea. This phrase is not a call for genocide, and to believe that it is says more about you than the people chanting the phrase.
If anything this topic has only made it more freaky to be honest. Like it's hard to call me disingenuous when people keep backing up my points with their arguments and proving how they feel about these issues. I mean how many people said "Hm, that's a good point, maybe we should think of a better phrase"Maybe because you're not making good points and essentially tone policing people in the face of a literal genocide going on is actually quite dumb.
So what do you think Hamas means when they say this phrase?The phrase has been around longer than Hamas.
And do you think genocide should be met with genocide? If the shoe was on the other foot would that be suddenly ok?
I dont understand the question. Are you saying they are co-opting the phrase from Hamas?
I honestly would think it is obvious. If you can use any phrase in the world, why are you using the one associated with genocidal terrorist rhetoric instead of any other one?
The co-opting argument seems very....thin.
Why is Jewish people the only minority that does not seemingly have their interests, safety, and feelings valued by the left?
This is the reality.
But TC and similar agitators will do everything they can to paint it as a "Hamas slogan"
Please tell me you were kidding.
Can you explain then, why people insist on chanting the phrase that is used this way by Hamas, and not any other slogan in the world? Like ok, sure, that is what it means, but if there is this confusion, why are they insisting on this phrase defiantly?"From the Jordan to the Mediterranean, Palestine will be free again" didn't catch on, unfortunately. Too many syllables.
Can you explain then, why people insist on chanting the phrase that is used this way by Hamas, and not any other slogan in the world? Like ok, sure, that is what it means, but if there is this confusion, why are they insisting on this phrase defiantly?Why are you so intent on associating with Hamas, when it clearly has been used by other people to mean what it means? The only reason people exclusively associate it with Hamas is because of dishonest actors like you. Witting or not, youre just doing Zionist war propaganda in defense of genocide. You want to pretend that your against the violence but you arent, you serve it.
Can you explain then, why people insist on chanting the phrase that is used this way by Hamas, and not any other slogan in the world? Like ok, sure, that is what it means, but if there is this confusion, why are they insisting on this phrase defiantly?
My point is, Israel committing a genocide does not mean that you should use phrases that make Jewish people feel like you are cheering for THEIR genocide in response.
Anti-semitic violence is also a real threat too.
Why is Jewish people the only minority that does not seemingly have their interests, safety, and feelings valued by the left?
Can you explain then, why people insist on chanting the phrase that is used this way by Hamas, and not any other slogan in the world? Like ok, sure, that is what it means, but if there is this confusion, why are they insisting on this phrase defiantly?
Why do conservatives hate jews but love israel
I will withdraw from the conversation at this point.You are the right wing.
No, it isn't some conspiracy theory. Hamas uses the phrase in their charter multiple times and we know what they want and what they mean.
If the right-wing was making these same arguments, the left would be absolutely incensed. They take them to task constantly for their use of language. Right-wingers insisting "No, no, we know the KKK used this phrase, but we're not using it for THAT reason, it doesn't mean that when WE say it" and refusing to change it? The left would eat them alive. They would ask why they choose a phrase the KKK loves when they could choose any other phrase, and they wouldn't care about their arguments as to why they did it.
But people don't see that they are now doing the same thing.....
But it is obvious that the discussion isn't actually going anywhere. So I will end it now.
You are the right wing.
If anyone is doing the heavy lifting right now for anti-Semitism, its the genocide denying Zionists like you. You think your rhetoric is going to discourage antisemitism? A new antisemite is born every day theres a genocidal apartheid regime blasting innocent civilians in their homes and on their streets. Israel is every bit as evil as Nazi Germany, the only difference is one of scale.
Because they really only care about selling killing devices.
That's it, that's you need to know.
jesus......The truth hurts. Re-examine your life choices.
I will withdraw from the conversation at this point.
Amazing how being upset about antisemitism
Last time I posted even the first half of the phrase, I caught a 3 month Purgatory trip. The moderation staff may have lightened up in the context of the current genocide thats ongoing, but I wouldnt risk it, assuming you dont want to lose access to CE. Just a heads up.If they're gonna purg me with a clean history for something that dumb I don't wanna be here anyway
This entire topic is just bait to try and get Palestine supporters kicked off the board permanently. Engaging with it is pointless.