Is any state solution possible between Israel and Palestine?

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  • One state solution can't work with the level of animosity between the two countries. Israelis won't trust Palestinians with power.
  • Two state solution can't work unless there's a proposal for relatively equal land and nobody in Israel seems to be onboard with that.
  • Three state solution won't work because Palestinians don't trust Egypt and Jordan to give them proper treatment.


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Prior to this war, I believed that the only option was a modifed 3-state solution, whereby the West Bank would become an independent Republic of Palestine while Gaza would become a seperate and independent city state, and only possible with international peacekeepers in both and hefty international aid as well as financial compensation for Israel to pull back from some settled lands (huff about this all you want, Israel isn't ceding ground without compensation and an independent West Bank can't exist if fragmented).

Now? No fucking clue.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
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Well Israel is not going anywhere, nobodys going to be able to le river to le sea them out of existence, so a two state solution is the only answer. But to my knowledge Palestinians reject that? So thats where were at. Just more meaningless violence and terrorist attacks for a completely lost cause. The cycle will continue forever until Palestinians realize that theyll have to take what they can get. Is it fair? Maybe not, but very few situations like this throughout all of history have been.
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A one-state solution that abolishes the Apartheid regime is the only one that will end the cycle of violence.
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It will take a while but there's a reason you don't hear about Irish Republican Army(IRA) terrorist attacks anymore. Turns out if you give people full rights they don't have the will to fight old feuds.
shockthemonkey posted...
here it is, the dumbest phrase on gamefaqs

I agree, its a dumb saying/cause
The Two State Solution was really only feasible during the 2000 Camp David Summit, as it was the only point half of Jerusalem was on the table offered by the Israeli side. However, probably due to a combination of bowing to pressure from Arab states to not sign a deal and not wanting to be almost certainly assassinated like Rabin/Sadat, Arafat said no to everything. The summit failure contributed to the Second Intifada as well as the hardening of the Israeli side's position. The result is the two state idea isn't realistic anymore. Add in the split caused by Hamas taking over Gaza, and you have 3 sides instead of 2 now.

As for a three state solution...in one word, no. I liked K181's idea about compensation for removing settlers in the West Bank, although I think that ship has sailed. The West Bank pretty much belongs to Israel at this point and they aren't relinquishing it. As for Gaza, no government of any merit would ever recognize a terrorist organization like Hamas, particularly after the October 7 attack, which was to the Israelis their version of 9/11...

Same deal with the multicultural state idea. It won't happen, particularly when there are too many that just want to wipe the other side out completely on both sides.

Regrettably, the most likely scenario is that one side takes complete control of all of the land, which is happening in real time with the IsraelHamas war. Best case scenario after this happens is to turn the Palestinian cause into a civil rights struggle, although whether any success could be had with that, IDK...
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Garioshi posted...
A one-state solution that abolishes the Apartheid regime is the only one that will end the cycle of violence.
Who controls the one state in your version?
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Itachi157 posted...
Well Israel is not going anywhere, nobodys going to be able to le river to le sea them out of existence, so a two state solution is the only answer. But to my knowledge Palestinians reject that? So thats where were at. Just more meaningless violence and terrorist attacks for a completely lost cause. The cycle will continue forever until Palestinians realize that theyll have to take what they can get. Is it fair? Maybe not, but very few situations like this throughout all of history have been.
High level of ignorance in this post. Israel has actively worked to prevent any Palestinian state; that's why Israel funded Hamas. Shifting blame onto Palestinians for not taking "what they can get" is not just ahistorical but shifts blame away from what is far and away the region's number 1 impediment to a Palestinian state, which is Israel.

Israel's end game is total control of the land in Gaza, West Bank and beyond, and part of that goal is that the Palestinians living there must either leave or die. Without the international community standing up to Israel, the Palestinians will never get a "deal" of any kind.
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The Muslim side are against it because they want the land Isreal is on. They actively believe that the Jewish population should leave and it doesn't matter how many generations lived there. Who got there first and who should have it is all up to debate.

So, unfortunately, there was no answer before all of this and I have no idea what it looks like after.
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ForsakenHermit posted...
* One state solution can't work with the level of animosity between the two countries. Israelis won't trust Palestinians with power.

But the animosity isn't unique. In America we had enslaved black people and Native Americans the victims of repeated genocidal acts. A few like to say it's different because both groups have been victims of atrocities, but I assure you my MAGA relatives think both sides here have been victims of atrocities. We had Jim Crow and segregation and a long road to equality that we're not done yet. A one-state solution there will have similar issues, but America is not beyond progress and neither is that area.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
Who controls the one state in your version?

Democracy with a strong bill of rights and a representative legislature set up to ensure areas with different demographics get representation. It won't be perfect and there will be abuses by people in power, as has happened in America, but those will be no worse than alternative systems. It's the best long term plan.
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bfslick50 posted...
But the animosity isn't unique. In America we had enslaved black people and Native Americans the victims of repeated genocidal acts. A few like to say it's different because both groups have been victims of atrocities, but I assure you my MAGA relatives think both sides here have been victims of atrocities. We had Jim Crow and segregation and a long road to equality that we're not done yet. A one-state solution there will have similar issues, but America is not beyond progress and neither is that area.

Democracy with a strong bill of rights and a representative legislature set up to ensure areas with different demographics get representation. It won't be perfect and there will be abuses by people in power, as has happened in America, but those will be no worse than alternative systems. It's the best long term plan.
Ah yes. The Americans will bring democracy to others in their land.
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Itachi157 posted...
Well Israel is not going anywhere, nobodys going to be able to le river to le sea them out of existence, so a two state solution is the only answer. But to my knowledge Palestinians reject that? So thats where were at. Just more meaningless violence and terrorist attacks for a completely lost cause. The cycle will continue forever until Palestinians realize that theyll have to take what they can get. Is it fair? Maybe not, but very few situations like this throughout all of history have been.

Translation: suck it up, Palestinians!
Scardude posted...
Ah yes. The Americans will bring democracy to others in their land.
Israel is already bragged about as "the only democracy in the Middle East". Extending that alleged democracy to the people they've oppressed instead of ethnically cleansing them is not American imperialism, it would be a step in undoing the colonialism introduced into that land by the west via the creation of Israel.
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Honestly nations that hate each other only keep co existing because a bigger nation points a gun at them or one side destroys the other....look at what happened in Yugosolvia.
Itachi157 posted...
I mean, basically yeah. It sucks but theyre going to have to move on as a people and find the best path for themselves. Which, unfortunately for them doesnt involve getting rid of Israel and taking every bit of lost land. Theyre not the first and not the last group of people in history that have fought and lost. The current path leads to nothing but destruction for them. They cant win. They dont have any significant international support using the current methods. You dont see anyone stepping in to stop Israel right now.

Isn't this admitting that Israel is a settler colonial state currently practicing ethnic cleansing? And your answer is that Palestinians should peacefully accept this because...reasons? Straight up disgusting. People like you and the Israeli government state their intentions out loud repeatedly, but then go apoplectic when people recognize what they're saying and give it a name.
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Itachi157 posted...
I mean, basically yeah. It sucks but theyre going to have to move on as a people and find the best path for themselves. Which, unfortunately for them doesnt involve getting rid of Israel and taking every bit of lost land. Theyre not the first and not the last group of people in history that have fought and lost. The current path leads to nothing but destruction for them. They cant win. They dont have any significant international support using the current methods. You dont see anyone stepping in to stop Israel right now.

Many, many groups throughout history have had to suck it up. Palestinians arent special.

Straight up acknowledging that you're pro genocide, wild.
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Itachi157 posted...
Many, many groups throughout history have had to suck it up. Palestinians arent special.
One of the most self destructive post edits I've seen on GameFAQs.
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Alright, I guess theyll just continue with the intifadas and rocket attacks for infinity. Oct. 7th didnt accomplish anything for them except inviting a brutal counterattack that probably set them back 100 years. Theyll keep doing this until theyre completely destroyed I guess, rather than sucking it up and taking a raw deal now that at least allows for the possibility of greatness and prosperity in the future.

There will be no lasting consequences for Israel on this. By this time next year nobody will be talking about it. Some protesters disrupted finals week at college or whatever but thats all that Palestinians are going to accomplish with their current tactics.
Itachi157 posted...
Alright, I guess theyll just continue with the intifadas and rocket attacks for infinity. Oct. 7th didnt accomplish anything for them except inviting a brutal counterattack that probably set them back 100 years. Theyll keep doing this until theyre completely destroyed I guess, rather than sucking it up and taking a raw deal now that at least allows for the possibility of greatness and prosperity in the future.

There will be no lasting consequences for Israel on this. By this time next year nobody will be talking about it. Some protesters disrupted finals week at college or whatever but thats all that Palestinians are going to accomplish with their current tactics.

Why are you conflating the entirety of Palestine with Hamas?

Why is your take literally "sit back and get genocided" and why do you think that's acceptable?
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Itachi157 posted...
Well Israel is not going anywhere, nobodys going to be able to le river to le sea them out of existence, so a two state solution is the only answer. But to my knowledge Palestinians reject that? So thats where were at. Just more meaningless violence and terrorist attacks for a completely lost cause. The cycle will continue forever until Palestinians realize that theyll have to take what they can get. Is it fair? Maybe not, but very few situations like this throughout all of history have been.

lmao what the fuck are you on
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i do genuinely wonder how this situation ends. Im doubtful that Israel stops even if Hamas surrenders at this point, so theyre not gonna surrender and leave themselves open like that.

I cant even envision a peaceful, non-genocidal end to all of it
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
i do genuinely wonder how this situation ends. Im doubtful that Israel stops even if Hamas surrenders at this point, so theyre not gonna surrender and leave themselves open like that.

I cant even envision a peaceful, non-genocidal end to all of it
I concur in this sadly. There were opportunities for peace/statehood, but they aren't around anymore after everything that has happened.

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Murphiroth posted...
Why are you conflating the entirety of Palestine with Hamas?

Why is your take literally "sit back and get genocided" and why do you think that's acceptable?
Hamas is the government of Palestine. Are you saying we can't criticize the government of Palestine?
Where have I heard something similar to that...
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McMarbles posted...
Hamas is the government of Palestine. Are you saying we can't criticize the government of Palestine?
Where have I heard something similar to that...

Nah that's not what I fuckin' said but you know that.
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Hamas only exercises de facto control over Gaza.
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shockthemonkey posted...
Theres an ongoing genocide against Palestinians and your entire stance is suck it up.
What is your solution to the current crisis? I feel Itachi is just trying to be brutally honest with you. Do you see a realistic option for a nonviolent end to this conflict? My guess is when this is all over the Gaza Strip will turn out like the West Bank. Meaning settlers/land encroachment at this point.

Only bright spot I see is Netanyahu being held accountable for allowing the Oct 7 attack to happen when he had intelligence that told him it was coming.
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Netanyahu will probably get voted out. Are there any non right wing parties in Israel that has a chance of winning?
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Charged151 posted...
What is your solution to the current crisis? I feel Itachi is just trying to be brutally honest with you.

No, he's justifying a genocide with "suck it up buttercup"

And why do we have to offer a solution? I don't need to come up with a solution to know that genocide is fucking evil.

Charged151 posted...
Only bright spot I see is Netanyahu being held accountable for allowing the Oct 7 attack to happen when he had intelligence that told him it was coming.

That seems like a long shot to me. Right wing ratfuckers very rarely face consequences for the shit they do, both in the US and worldwide.
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emblem-man posted...
Netanyahu will probably get voted out. Are there any non right wing parties in Israel that has a chance of winning?
There was the coalition of parties that forced him out of power for a bit that also included some of the Arab parties, but the coalition didn't last very long. Reforming something similar is probably the best hope of getting rid of him.
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Charged151 posted...
What is your solution to the current crisis? I feel Itachi is just trying to be brutally honest with you. Do you see a realistic option for a nonviolent end to this conflict?
The US leveraging the fact it is Israel's main provider of aid, weapons and diplomatic cover to make genocide & sabotage infeasible for them. What we've been saying for months
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EPR-radar posted...
That seems like a long shot to me. Right wing ratfuckers very rarely face consequences for the shit they do, both in the US and worldwide.
Letting an external terrorist group kill your people despite having intelligence to stop it makes me think it isn't something that can just be swept under the rug.
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Charged151 posted...
Letting an external terrorist group kill your people despite having intelligence to stop it makes me think it isn't something that can just be swept under the rug.
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
i do genuinely wonder how this situation ends. Im doubtful that Israel stops even if Hamas surrenders at this point, so theyre not gonna surrender and leave themselves open like that.

I cant even envision a peaceful, non-genocidal end to all of it
A nihilistic view but probably the one that will end up being the most accurate.

Even if this current violence ends, I truly doubt the tensions in the area will ease. Israel won't stop unless they're forced to stop by an outside entity, and I also doubt there were be any long term consequences for doing so.

I don't like it, but I think the most likely outcome of this situation is Israel taking the land by force and creating a "one state solution." At best , this one state grants Palestinians full civil rights, but they would likely assimilated into Israeli culture in the not so distant future (thereby "wiping out" the Palestinians). But given Israel's current views and attitudes towards Palestine, I imagine it's much more likely that this one state will end up as more of an Apartheid state where the Palestinians are treated as second class citizens (or worse...)
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