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A plane takes off carrying one person.

It has a 50% chance of making the journey.

If the plane makes it then the next journey the plane takes it carries two people.

Again it has a 50% chance of making the journey.

This goes on for 4, 8, 16 people etc. eventually it crashes with 1024 people on board.

If you ride the plane what are your chances of making it through unharmed.

I asked my maths professor and he said it was over 99% you would crash. That doesnt make sense to me. Surely its 50%.
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50%?
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How many passengers are on when it's my turn?
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The_Korey posted...
How many passengers are on when it's my turn?

Well considering you know how many people are on the plane when it crashes that kind of ruins the question lol. Lets assume for the sakes of the topic you dont know how many people are on the plane when it crashes.
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When do I get on?
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LeCh0nk posted...
When do I get on?

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It crashes on the 12th flight so 11/12.
Edit: TC changed it from crashing with 1024 people to crashing with unknown.
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If you're the first person in the plane, your chances of surviving are 0.5 to the power of 11, so 0.05%

If you're the last one on the it's 50%
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sabin017 posted...
It crashes on the 12th flight so 11/12.

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The answer depends on whether the same people keep flying on it. Does the person who flew solo also fly when there are two, four, eight, etc people, or is there a pool of 2047 people with each person flying once?
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Jeremy517 posted...
The answer depends on whether the same people keep flying on it. Does the person who flew solo also fly when there are two, four, eight, etc people, or is there a pool of 2047 people with each person flying once?

Different people different flights.
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that got a good chuckle ngl.
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I don't see how it's 99% but I also don't think it's exactly 50%

say the plane flies 3 times and crashes on the 3rd. that means a total of 7 people rode the plane, and a total of 4 people crashed with the plane, which is ~57% of all passengers crashed
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I got the feeling you intentionally chose to withheld a really important info.

If you ride that plane EXACTLY once and once only, it'll be 50%. More than once and it'll get lower (your chance to survive that is).
Impossible to know without knowing how many times you are flying.
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Assuming each person only ever rides once and not multiple times.
The plane is more likely to crash the more trips, but I'd think we have to account for the population when the crash occurs, so we need to look at the growth of the population.

The total number of passengers at any given time is equal to the sum of all previous passengers plus 1.
So when the plan goes down just over 50% of total passengers will be harmed, except in the case of first flight crash, then it would be 100%.

I don't know that it would be 99%, but I think it would be more than 50 and I don't have the math skills to pull it off for this one. But due to the growth of population, the more flights taken the more likely you are to be on it and the more likely it is to crash.
Your chance of surviving is 50% each time you fly on it. By extension, your chance of surviving multiple flights is 50% to the power of the number of flights (eg 3 flights is 0.5^3, which is 0.125 or 12.5%).

How many other people are on the flight with you is irrelevant if the chance of a crash on any given flight is 50%.

Now, if the question was just "what is the chance that the plane will eventually crash", that indeed is 99.99999~%. The chance it doesn't crash eventually is basically as close to zero as you can possibly get without actually being zero. But if the question is whether you as a passenger on a given flight survive (assuming we aren't taking into account situations like "the plane crashes but you survive the crash"), it's literally just 50%.
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If a person rides the plane once, their chance of dying in a crash is 50%. Easy peasy, end of story.

This looks more like a trick question full of irrelevant details than any kind of real math problem.
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It doesnt matter how many are in the plane. Each trip has a 50% chance. Its the gamblers fallacy at work. The individual action is what matters not past action.

If you walk up to a roulette wheel and see the last three plays were red its still a 50/50 chance that the next spin will be red (ignoring greens for the sake of the example).

Its a different answer if the question is what are the odds I survive 10 trips.
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I mistyped it. The original question is your friend rides the plane. What are the chances he died. Not you ride the plane. I think that changes things.
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Unless I'm mistaken the question doesn't specify why more people would be an issue?

Surely then it's still just 50% if you're referring to the one single ride with "x" people in a vacuum.

This obviously changes if we're treating each individual flight as a continuous set, wherein the odds of getting the passing coin toss go down the further you go on.
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SHRlKE posted...
I mistyped it. The original question is your friend rides the plane. What are the chances he died. Not you ride the plane. I think that changes things.
That changes nothing, because the question remains vague on how many times whoever (you or your friend) ride the plane.

And even if this number is specified, everything is trivial. E.g., one plane trip, 1/2 chance of dying, two trips, 3/4 chance of dying, three trips, 7/8 chance of dying etc.

The number of passengers increasing on each trip remains completely irrelevant.
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Ah, we're all forgetting to account for the plane being a planet and the passenger being a room outside.
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The way you worded it, it is 50%.

I'll answer it based on how I think it was meant to be.

In 1/2 of scenarios, 1/1 passengers die. That's you. You're already dead half the time.

In 1/4 of scenarios, 2/3 passengers die. (First passenger makes it, the next two die).

in 1/8 of scenarios, 4/7 passengers die.

In 1/16 of scenarios, 8/15 passengers die.

I think you get it.

So to calculate the odds of you dying, you add (1/2) + (1/4 * 2/3) + (1/8 * 4/7) + (1/16 * 8/15) + ...

or

1/2 + 1/6 + 1/14 + 1/30 + 1/62 + 1/126 + 1/254 + 1/510 + ...

The numbers will continue to get smaller, but you are fucked.
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SHRlKE posted...
If you ride the plane
I think you should have said, "If you are a passenger on the plane".
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masterbarf posted...
The way you worded it, it is 50%.

I'll answer it based on how I think it was meant to be.

In 1/2 of scenarios, 1/1 passengers die. That's you. You're already dead half the time.

In 1/4 of scenarios, 2/3 passengers die. (First passenger makes it, the next two die).

in 1/8 of scenarios, 4/7 passengers die.

In 1/16 of scenarios, 8/15 passengers die.

I think you get it.

So to calculate the odds of you dying, you add (1/2) + (1/4 * 2/3) + (1/8 * 4/7) + (1/16 * 8/15) + ...

or

1/2 + 1/6 + 1/14 + 1/30 + 1/62 + 1/126 + 1/254 + 1/510 + ...

The numbers will continue to get smaller, but you are fucked.
You've fallen for the misdirection in the OP. For any one person taking one or more trips on the plane, the number of other passengers is completely irrelevant.

The number of passengers only matters for questions like "What's the expected number of deaths in this fact pattern?"
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EPR-radar posted...
You've fallen for the misdirection in the OP. For any one person taking one or more trips on the plane, the number of other passengers is completely irrelevant.

The number of passengers only matters for questions like "What's the expected number of deaths in this fact pattern?"
My (correct) answer assumes each passenger is a unique individual. All that matters is that you are one of the total population.

I think the answer approaches about 80.33% chance of dying. I forgot this is the internet and you can just google "sum calculator".
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masterbarf posted...
My (correct) answer assumes each passenger is a unique individual. All that matters is that you are one of the total population.
You take one trip on the plane, and there are 1000 other people on it. Your chance of death is 50%.

You take a second trip on the same plane, having survived the first trip, and this time there are 1,000,000 other people on that plane. Your chance of dying in that second trip is still 50%.

It really is that simple.
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masterbarf posted...
1/2 + 1/6 + 1/14 + 1/30 + 1/62 + 1/126 + 1/254 + 1/510 + ...
what does this eventually converge to, anyway?
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masterbarf posted...
The way you worded it, it is 50%.

I'll answer it based on how I think it was meant to be.

In 1/2 of scenarios, 1/1 passengers die. That's you. You're already dead half the time.

In 1/4 of scenarios, 2/3 passengers die. (First passenger makes it, the next two die).

in 1/8 of scenarios, 4/7 passengers die.

In 1/16 of scenarios, 8/15 passengers die.

I think you get it.

So to calculate the odds of you dying, you add (1/2) + (1/4 * 2/3) + (1/8 * 4/7) + (1/16 * 8/15) + ...

or

1/2 + 1/6 + 1/14 + 1/30 + 1/62 + 1/126 + 1/254 + 1/510 + ...

The numbers will continue to get smaller, but you are fucked.
This infinite sum converges to about .8033. So you're only mostly fucked.

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BewmHedshot posted...
This infinite sum converges to about .8033. So you're only mostly fucked.

That's another way to see that calculation can't be correct. Anyone repeatedly riding that plane dies with probability one.
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EPR-radar posted...
You take one trip on the plane, and there are 1000 other people on it. Your chance of death is 50%.

You take a second trip on the same plane, having survived the first trip, and this time there are 1,000,000 other people on that plane. Your chance of dying in that second trip is still 50%.

It really is that simple.
If the plane crashes on the second trip, and you flew on the plane in either trip 1 or trip 2, what is your chance of being dead?

EPR-radar posted...
That's another way to see that calculation can't be correct. Anyone repeatedly riding that plane dies with probability one.
Nobody's repeatedly riding the plane.

You're missing the fact that once it crashes it can't fly again, and you are always one of the population who were on the plane at some point.
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EPR-radar posted...
You've fallen for the misdirection in the OP. For any one person taking one or more trips on the plane, the number of other passengers is completely irrelevant.

The number of passengers only matters for questions like "What's the expected number of deaths in this fact pattern?"
Did you miss the first sentence?
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EPR-radar posted...
You take one trip on the plane, and there are 1000 other people on it. Your chance of death is 50%.

You take a second trip on the same plane, having survived the first trip, and this time there are 1,000,000 other people on that plane. Your chance of dying in that second trip is still 50%.

It really is that simple.
You don't understand. The plane's chance of crashing on any one flight is not what is being asked. That's why I said he worded it poorly, because it sounds like you're just getting on a plane that has a 50% chance of crashing. Again, that is not the question.

I thought I explained it clearly, so I'll try again.

In half the cases in which this plane flies, it never lands a single time. In all of those cases, you are the one passenger on that flight, because the problem says so.

In the 50% of cases that make it past the first trip, half of those crash. Those crashes represent 25% of all possible cases. Within that 25% of cases you have a 2/3 chance of death. You were either on the first flight alone and landed, or you were one of the two who died on the second flight.

The pattern continues.
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Can someone just state the question clearly lol. Very confused on what is actually being asked.
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BewmHedshot posted...
This infinite sum converges to about .8033. So you're only mostly fucked.
I knew somebody would eventually verify my logic.
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the infinite sum converges at 100% idk what the fuck yall are on about.

the odds are less than 1% that the plan would survive 7 flights.

1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 = 0.7% chance of surviving 7 flights on the plane.
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whitelytning posted...
Can someone just state the question clearly lol. Very confused on what is actually being asked.
The plane flies until it crashes, which it has a 50% chance to do each time. Post-crash , what are the odds you're dead given you were one of the passengers.

It is trivially easy to solve for any specific number of flights, but if that is unspecified the answer is 80.33%.
BewmHedshot posted...
You're missing the fact that once it crashes it can't fly again, and you are always one of the population who were on the plane at some point.

If it's a true random event then the plane crashing before you have a chance to get on it should also be a possibility.
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bfslick50 posted...
If it's a true random event then the plane crashing before you have a chance to get on it should also be a possibility.
You're always one of the people who flew on the plane.
You're always one of the people who flew on the plane.

In that case it's always 50%.

Now if the question was there are n total flights and you are scheduled to get on a random flight, the probability you croak appears to be n/[2^(n+1)-2].

So if n is an infinite number of flights, that converges to zero.
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If the intended problem statement is this:

A plane has a 50% chance of crashing each time it flies. It is flown repeatedly until it crashes. Person X is a passenger on exactly one of these flights. The first flight has 1 passenger and the number of passengers doubles each time. What is their chance of dying?

Then we have a classic case of a vile math pun.

If "chance of dying" is taken to mean "conditional probability of dying on plane flight n, given that the plane has made n-1 trips", that is just 1/2. That's the risk any passenger takes when boarding that plane, no matter what has gone before.

If "chance of dying" is taken to mean "unconditional probability of being one of the dead in this fact pattern", then we get that series 1/2 + (1/4)(2/3) + (1/8)(4/7) etc.
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