Eurovision song contest - public voting procedure

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Umbongo
05/12/2024
02:13 AM
#1
https://eurovision.tv/vote
You can vote up to 20 times for the countries you want to vote for.

Why 20 times and not 10 or 30?
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sfcalimari
05/12/2024
02:16 AM
#2
Broccoli hair won
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BalanceLost
05/13/2024
05:55 AM
#3
Umbongo posted...
https://eurovision.tv/vote

Why 20 times and not 10 or 30?
I dont know how they landed on the number 20 to be honest.

sfcalimari posted...
Broccoli hair won
An awesome broccoli
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obsolete
05/13/2024
06:01 AM
#4
Vote for Israel.
Foppe
05/13/2024
06:23 AM
#5
Because people are ready to pay to vote more than 10 times and less than 30 times.
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DodogamaRayBrst
05/13/2024
06:27 AM
#6
Sounds like a money laundering scheme.
Irony
05/13/2024
06:31 AM
#7
obsolete posted...
Vote for Israel.
How about no
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SHRlKE
05/13/2024
06:39 AM
#8
Couldn't believe how many votes Israel got on the public vote. Ignoring the politics around it I just thought it was a crap song tbh.
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ai123
05/13/2024
06:43 AM
#9
SHRlKE posted...
Couldn't believe how many votes Israel got on the public vote. Ignoring the politics around it I just thought it was a crap song tbh.
People did the opposite of what you did: ignored the crap song and voted for the politics.
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ai123
05/13/2024
06:45 AM
#10
obsolete posted...
Vote for Israel.
Vote for a shit song because the country it represents has slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinians?

Don't think so.
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SHRlKE
05/13/2024
06:46 AM
#11
ai123 posted...
People did the opposite of what you did: ignored the crap song and voted for the politics.

Does that mean Israel is right when they claim the silent majority support what is happening over there at the moment?

I do find it ironic that Ukraine got the public vote as well and won two years ago but Israel in a similar situation only got 5th.
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Karovorak
05/13/2024
07:33 AM
#12
SHRlKE posted...
Does that mean Israel is right when they claim the silent majority support what is happening over there at the moment?

I do find it ironic that Ukraine got the public vote as well and won two years ago but Israel in a similar situation only got 5th.

You can check the detailed results here:

https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2024

This year, the public vote was very even within the top 3:

Croatia: 337
Israel: 323
Ukraine: 307
France: 226
Switzerland: 226

The Jury voting was just an extreme stomp:

Switzerland: 365
France: 218
Croatia: 210
Ukraine (5th): 146
Israel (12th): 52
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ai123
05/13/2024
08:24 AM
#13
SHRlKE posted...
Does that mean Israel is right when they claim the silent majority support what is happening over there at the moment?

I do find it ironic that Ukraine got the public vote as well and won two years ago but Israel in a similar situation only got 5th.
It means that there was a reasonably effective vote stuffing campaign by pro Israel groups. The 'silent majority' doesn't vote in Eurovision.

There were also anti Israel attempts to stuff the vote, but these were hampered by the fact that no one really knew which country would be the best anti Israel vote, while all the pro voters had to do was vote Israel (just as all the pro Ukraine voters had to do was vote for that country).
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Umbongo
05/13/2024
10:16 AM
#14
SHRlKE posted...
Does that mean Israel is right when they claim the silent majority support what is happening over there at the moment?

I think that the public voting process was open to being artificially manipulated.

For example one phone could vote 20 times via SMS.

If you had software tools to mimic 100 phones, that's 2000 votes right there.

There's a good story here if any journalist wanted to get into it. Key question "Which countries attracted the most bulk votes?"

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Karovorak
05/13/2024
10:28 AM
#15
Umbongo posted...
There's a good story here if any journalist wanted to get into it. Key question "Which countries attracted the most bulk votes?"

Again, just check the published results online.

Blue: Jury voting to Israel
Red: Public voting to Israel.

Only Croatia and Ukraine gave no points to Israel at all, and Lithuania, Serbia and Armenia gave 3 or less.

15 countries (incl. "Rest of the world") gave 12 points.
7 gave 10 points.

Public only. Jury voting was pretty bad.

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BalanceLost
05/13/2024
11:02 AM
#16
Something that gives extra credence to the voting campaign/vote stuffing theory is the fact that Israels song isnt doing super well in the charts. The songs that get the most televote points almost always get a big increase in streaming and so forth after the Contest yet this is not happening for Israel compared to several other entries that did worse than them in the voting.
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Karovorak
05/13/2024
11:14 AM
#17
BalanceLost posted...
Something that gives extra credence to the voting campaign/vote stuffing theory is the fact that Israels song isnt doing super well in the charts. The songs that get the most televote points almost always get a big increase in streaming and so forth after the Contest yet this is not happening for Israel compared to several other entries that did worse than them in the voting.

Which streaming site are you using to compare them?

I was just looking at the ESC Youtube channel to get the views all from one source, and it's all over the place.

For the finals it's 7th place in views there with 1.8 million views, but If you look at the semi final shows, it's 4nd place with 3 million (behind Netherland, switzerland and... Greece?)

EDIT: My bad, 4th place in 2nd semi final only, the first semi final is further down.
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BalanceLost
05/13/2024
11:20 AM
#18
Karovorak posted...
Which streaming site are you using to compare them?

I was just looking at the ESC Youtube channel to get the views all from one source, and it's all over the place.

For the finals it's 7th place in views there with 1.8 million views, but If you look at the semi final shows, it's 4nd place with 3 million (behind Netherland, switzerland and... Greece?)

EDIT: My bad, 4th place in 2nd semi final only, the first semi final is further down.
I mean Spotify and the like. Actual music services.

The entries which chart in the Global 200 yesterday:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/68d2774d.jpg
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BalanceLost
05/13/2024
11:26 AM
#19
The number of streams streamed on May 11th for the 9 most popular entries:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7dbc96fe.jpg
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Umbongo
05/13/2024
11:56 AM
#20
Karovorak posted...
Again, just check the published results online.

I should have explained my point more clearly.

People could vote up to 20 times for the same song. In the case of phone or SMS voting, that comes with a financial cost. In some countries 20 votes would cost you over 20 Euros.

The percentage of voters who cared enough to do this would presumably be low due to cost.

5 people could generate anything between 5 votes and 100 votes for a particular song. Here's an example:

  • 5 people give 1 vote each to Ukraine as their favourite song. Then they stop voting.
  • 5 people give 20 votes each to France as their favourite song. Then they stop voting.
  • In this example Ukraine has 5 votes, France has 100 votes.
  • The vote total does not prove the majority of voters prefer France.


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