Teen receives $580 ticket. For using phone while driving. In McD's drive thru.

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Current Events » Teen receives $580 ticket. For using phone while driving. In McD's drive thru.
Cops tackling the REAL serious crimes.
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bigblu89 posted...
The cop didn't say anything. All we have is the statement that was made by the department.

But if the statement is true, that's exactly what happened. Whether or not the teen was or was not using his phone prior to pulling into the drive thru is something the cop will now have to prove in court, should the teen plea not guilty (assuming the process in Canada is the same as the US).

The procedures of pulling an individual over for a traffic violation vary, but it's usually not a situation like you see in the movies where an officer will turn his lights the second he sees someone make a violation. They'll usually follow the vehicle and not turn their light on until they feel they're in an area where the person can safely pull over. This could have been one of those situations, as there really isn't a ton of information about exactly what happened.

Whether the stop was initiated on the road, like the RCMP statement claims, or if the officer's lights weren't turned on until the teen was in the drive-thru, that will be proven by dash cam footage, assuming they have it.

Who do you think the department gets their statement from? If they say the kid was being issued a ticket due to what he did on the road rather than the drive through then it's the cop who told the department that.
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Funkydog posted...
Cops tackling the REAL serious crimes.

In 2022, 3,308 people were killed in motor vehicle crashes involving distracted drivers. Distracted driving accounts for one in every six deadly vehicle accidents.

Yes. I get that a kid pulling up the McDonald's app while in the drive through (assuming he's telling the truth and wasn't also using it while on the road) sounds like a silly thing for a cop to go on a "power trip" about, but let's not pretend that cell phone usage while driving isn't a major problem, or that there's at least a *slight* chance that kid was driving around on the app, placing his order as he was driving to the McDonalds, and that's what the officer observed and ultimately pulled him over for.

Sorry if this kid gets zero sympathy from me and it sounds very "bootlicker" of me to side with the cop, but a friend of my lost their grandfather to a car accident where the person that struck him was distracted by their cell phone.
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Enclave posted...
Who do you think the department gets their statement from? If they say the kid was being issued a ticket due to what he did on the road rather than the drive through then it's the cop who told the department that.

Exactly. And I'll reiterate, you do know that procedure for making a traffic stop isn't to pull the person over at the exact spot the violation takes place and to do it in an area where it is safe for the driver to pull over, right?

Like the statement said, the officer began the process in the road, and the driver then pulled into the drive through (again, assuming the RCMP statement is true). And the violation was given for using the phone on the road, not in the drive through.
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bigblu89 posted...
Exactly. And I'll reiterate, you do know that procedure for making a traffic stop isn't to pull the person over at the exact spot the violation takes place and to do it in an area where it is safe for the driver to pull over, right?

Like the statement said, the officer began the process in the road, and the driver then pulled into the drive through (again, assuming the RCMP statement is true). And the violation was given for using the phone on the road, not in the drive through.

And like I said earlier, I'll believe it once they present proof beyond the cops word.

Not sure why I'm having to repeat myself here.
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He clearly was using his phone prior to it. As the article even clarified I guess. You cant ticket someone for a traffic ticket offense in private property, especially a parking lot. Traffic ticket laws apply to public roadways
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Enclave posted...
And like I said earlier, I'll believe it once they present proof beyond the cops word.

Not sure why I'm having to repeat myself here.

I think it might be because your stance is ridiculous.
Glob posted...
I think it might be because your stance is ridiculous.

What's ridiculous about wanting proof before believing something? Do you think cops don't lie?
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Enclave posted...
And like I said earlier, I'll believe it once they present proof beyond the cops word.

Not sure why I'm having to repeat myself here.
Understandable. But you originally made it sound like you thought the ticket was being issued for using a cell phone in the drive through, not on the road.

And you dont have to repeat yourself. You can easily not comment anymore if you feel you says what you needed to say.
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Enclave posted...
What's ridiculous about wanting proof before believing something? Do you think cops don't lie?

Thats not actually the stance that youve presented though.

Your stance seems to be that the cops are automatically lying unless there is proof otherwise, whereas the teenager is automatically telling the truth unless there is proof otherwise.
Enclave posted...
What's ridiculous about wanting proof before believing something? Do you think cops don't lie?

Do you think teenagers that just got their licenses dont lie about their cell phone usage while driving?
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Glob posted...
Your stance seems to be that the cops are automatically lying unless there is proof otherwise, whereas the teenager is automatically telling the truth unless there is proof otherwise
This is the entire premise of the judicial system.
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Serious_Cat posted...
This is the entire premise of the judicial system.

Only if you dont know the difference between not guilty and innocent.
Its against the law to use hand-held communication (e.g. your phone) and electronic entertainment devices (e.g. DVD player, e-reader) while driving.
In fact, simply holding a phone or other device while driving is against the law.

pulled that up, this is canadas law from what I can find. If he was rolling forward (not touching the gas)then he was technically driving still and could have hit someone or something. So going from the wording provided, its fair
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bigblu89 posted...
Like the statement said, the officer began the process in the road, and the driver then pulled into the drive through (again, assuming the RCMP statement is true).
Then the cop should've at least been flashing his lights and giving directions of where to pull off to start the citation.

It just seems silly to see someone then tail them for minutes then pull them over and expect them to actually know why they're being pulled over.
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texanfan27 posted...
Its against the law to use hand-held communication (e.g. your phone) and electronic entertainment devices (e.g. DVD player, e-reader) while driving.
In fact, simply holding a phone or other device while driving is against the law.

pulled that up, this is canadas law from what I can find. If he was rolling forward (not touching the gas)then he was technically driving still and could have hit someone or something. So going from the wording provided, its fair
What about the car stereo?
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wackyteen posted...


It just seems silly to see someone then tail them for minutes then pull them over and expect them to actually know why they're being pulled over.
This is assuming thats what happened, as opposed to the officer having his lights on the whole time and the teen not noticing it was for him because he was on his phone.

Again, this is all speculation on all of our parts. And in reality, I doubt any of us will follow up on this story to ever find out what ends up happening
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Glob posted...
Only if you dont know the difference between not guilty and innocent.
We presume the driver is innocent. That implies we presume the cop is not telling the truth.
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bigblu89 posted...
Exactly. And I'll reiterate, you do know that procedure for making a traffic stop isn't to pull the person over at the exact spot the violation takes place and to do it in an area where it is safe for the driver to pull over, right?

Like the statement said, the officer began the process in the road, and the driver then pulled into the drive through (again, assuming the RCMP statement is true). And the violation was given for using the phone on the road, not in the drive through.
Except when the cop wants you to pull over on a dark highway and youre arrested for pulling into the next well lit gas station.
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Glob posted...
Thats not actually the stance that youve presented though.

Your stance seems to be that the cops are automatically lying unless there is proof otherwise, whereas the teenager is automatically telling the truth unless there is proof otherwise.

What authoritarian shit hole of a country do you live in where you're not innocent until proven guilty?
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Lordgold666 posted...
Thats really shitty.

Had a family member one time have their vehicle break down in the middle of a snowstorm. While waiting for the tow truck he decided to drink some of the six pack he had while sitting there with the heat on. A cop had showed up before the tow truck and he actually received a dui even tho he was sitting in the backseat while drinking the beer bc its considered "driving", if the keys are in the ignition and the car is running.
Keys in the ignition is a pretty well-known rule and an important line in the sand to make DUIs more cut and dry.
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Compsognathus posted...
Keys in the ignition is a pretty well-known rule and an important line in the sand to make DUIs more cut and dry.
Thats under the presumption that you can drive the car. If its mechanically broken Ava awaiting a tire truck, youre not driving that vehicle. Then again, I guess you could still put it in neutral and coast down the road. Annnnd there are different levels of break down. Your car could be in limp mode but still drivable.
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Still wild to me that the teen admitted he was on his phone, driving through the drive through, and were all STILL saying Fuck this cop unless he can prove the kid was driving while using his phone!
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I voted no that you shouldn't be able to get a ticket while sitting in the drive thru.

But, something about the kid's story bothers me: He claims he didn't pull out his phone until he got into the drive thru. But the cop was already behind him ready to give him a ticket as soon as he did? The cop seeing him on the phone before pulling into the drive thru makes sense in that case.

He might have pulled out his phone early to try and get the code ready before he got to the speaker. In which case, yeah that screwed him.

pnut027 posted...
Thats under the presumption that you can drive the car. If its mechanically broken Ava awaiting a tire truck, youre not driving that vehicle. Then again, I guess you could still put it in neutral and coast down the road. Annnnd there are different levels of break down. Your car could be in limp mode but still drivable.
Even if it's broken down now. The fact is the car is on and was driven to it's current location. The cop would have no way of knowing if you were already drinking before it broke down. It's just better not to risk that.
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pnut027 posted...
Thats under the presumption that you can drive the car. If its mechanically broken Ava awaiting a tire truck, youre not driving that vehicle. Then again, I guess you could still put it in neutral and coast down the road. Annnnd there are different levels of break down. Your car could be in limp mode but still drivable.
That is exactly why it's the hard line rule. To avoid the ambiguity of maybies.
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runewalshPSiv posted...
Sounds like your family member is stupid. He seriously couldn't wait till he got home to drink?
Theyre not a drunk or anything just had the beer as he was on his way home from work(Worked in nyc but lived upstate). I agree tho drinking while its that cold out isnt smart, as alcohol lowers your body temp. Yet this was way before smart phones so i can see how one or two beers could help pass the time. Its almost below 0* outside what else do you do for a few hours waiting for a tow
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Enclave posted...
What authoritarian shit hole of a country do you live in where you're not innocent until proven guilty?

There is a difference between the state presuming somebody innocent until proven guilty and a bunch of nerds speculating on a message board. That difference being that our views on the case dont actually impact anybodys freedom.

Assuming that the police are lying on the basis that sometime police lie is illogical. We should be open to the possibility that the police have lied, because we know that can happen. We should also be open to the possibility that the person accused of committing a crime has lied, because we know that can happen.
Glob posted...
There is a difference between the state presuming somebody innocent until proven guilty and a bunch of nerds speculating on a message board. That difference being that our views on the case dont actually impact anybodys freedom.

Assuming that the police are lying on the basis that sometime police lie is illogical. We should be open to the possibility that the police have lied, because we know that can happen. We should also be open to the possibility that the person accused of committing a crime has lied, because we know that can happen.
Ill be open to the possibility that the person lied once it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty.
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Glob posted...
There is a difference between the state presuming somebody innocent until proven guilty and a bunch of nerds speculating on a message board. That difference being that our views on the case dont actually impact anybodys freedom.

Assuming that the police are lying on the basis that sometime police lie is illogical. We should be open to the possibility that the police have lied, because we know that can happen. We should also be open to the possibility that the person accused of committing a crime has lied, because we know that can happen.

I'm open to the possibility that the cops told the truth and I would like proof before I actually believe it. It's perfectly reasonable to have this position. Frankly after how often cops have been caught in lies it's a bit ridiculous to just believe them by default. They've long since lost that trust.
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Enclave posted...
I'm open to the possibility that the cops told the truth and I would like proof before I actually believe it. It's perfectly reasonable to have this position. Frankly after how often cops have been caught in lies it's a bit ridiculous to just believe them by default. They've long since lost that trust.
Compared to the thousands and thousands of tickets issued that the offender pleads guilty to, or pleads not guilty despite actually being guilty, but negotiates the infraction to something that wont put points on their license.
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Serious_Cat posted...
Our guy should have just shut up about using his phone in the drive-through if the police are claiming he was pulled over from the street into the parking lot.


"Cops never lie"

bigblu89 posted...


In 2022, 3,308 people were killed in motor vehicle crashes involving distracted drivers. Distracted driving accounts for one in every six deadly vehicle accidents.

Yes. I get that a kid pulling up the McDonald's app while in the drive through (assuming he's telling the truth and wasn't also using it while on the road) sounds like a silly thing for a cop to go on a "power trip" about, but let's not pretend that cell phone usage while driving isn't a major problem, or that there's at least a *slight* chance that kid was driving around on the app, placing his order as he was driving to the McDonalds, and that's what the officer observed and ultimately pulled him over for.

Sorry if this kid gets zero sympathy from me and it sounds very "bootlicker" of me to side with the cop, but a friend of my lost their grandfather to a car accident where the person that struck him was distracted by their cell phone.


How many of those happened in a drive through?

bigblu89 posted...
Still wild to me that the teen admitted he was on his phone, driving through the drive through, and were all STILL saying Fuck this cop unless he can prove the kid was driving while using his phone!


The cop is a scumbag if he did it while in the drive through.
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this story made the front page of yahoo. I just saw it. Any of you know was there video or bodycam footage of the stop? if not then what you gonna do?
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Ryven posted...
You know cops are bored when.

Maybe not bored. Do the RCMP have ticket quotas they have to fill for revenue purposes, or justifying their existence purposes?

Powdered_Toast posted...
The section you quoted says he was on his phone before pulling into the Mcdonalds.

And you're believing a statement from cops over... literally anyone else?

Glob posted...
Honestly, either party could be in the wrong here and well never know which.

It's safe to assume the cops are in the wrong unless objective and concrete evidence say otherwise. Your odds are better when you do.

Glob posted...
You cant trust people generally when it comes to testimony. Even if they believe theyre telling the truth, they sometimes arent.

People don't have an institutional word for lying under oath when giving testimony. Or getting away with it consequence-free. (Real thing. Google "testilying.")

Glob posted...
Testimony is unreliable, whether it comes from a cop or not.

But it's even less reliable coming from a cop. See above.
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bigblu89 posted...
Still wild to me that the teen admitted he was on his phone, driving through the drive through, and were all STILL saying Fuck this cop unless he can prove the kid was driving while using his phone!

He admitted to being on the phone in a private roadway (drive through). The cops accuse him of using a phone on the public roadways. Radically different things.

Besides, I don't think anyone here has expressly said "fuck cops." They just said cops can safely be trusted less than a teenager who just got his license, and that's hardly an untrue statement.

NoxObscuras posted...
The cop seeing him on the phone before pulling into the drive thru makes sense in that case.

Then the cop can prove it with objective and concrete evidence that isn't "a cop's word."
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Smallville posted...
this story made the front page of yahoo. I just saw it. Any of you know was there video or bodycam footage of the stop? if not then what you gonna do?


It was probably "mysteriously deleted".
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It's funny you can see the majority of people by the polls think this is BS and then you check the comments and see some of the bootlickers lol

The poll question is "Should you get a ticket for using your phone in a drive thru?"

Like most people in the poll, I answered no. I don't automatically believe the kid though and if the cops have dash cam footage or other proof that the kid was using the cell phone on the road then the ticket should stand.
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voldothegr8 posted...
Thankfully cops can't do this in USA
Right, they just shoot because they claim they thought that the phone was a gun. Feels bad. :(

Better solution: Make such apps linked to the device accelerometer and locked-out when not stopped in-place.
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FL81 posted...
only in America
Except when its not. ;)
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Unless the cop has dash cam footage (do they have on bikes?) or body cam footage, I do not, for one second, believe the departments version of events. Police lie about far too much these days for there to be any goodwill toward believing themat least for me.
Hmm...
andri_g posted...

Right, they just shoot because they claim they thought that the phone was a gun. Feels bad. :(

Better solution: Make such apps linked to the device accelerometer and locked-out when not stopped in-place.
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Except when its not. ;)


Or claiming gaming controllers look like guns.
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