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*flash forward to the 2050s*

Most of CE: What do you mean we still have to keep working after investing nothing?
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
K181 posted...
*flash forward to the 2050s*

Most of CE: What do you mean we still have to keep working after investing nothing?
this is lame coming from a multi millionaire
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Thinking like that seems pretty bleak. I'd like to retire and relax for a while. I don't want to just work until I'm dead.
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Dungeater posted...
this is lame coming from a multi millionaire

Perhaps, but I was still investing well before that was the case. Game plan back then was to maybe retire at 70.

And sorry, people preemptively assuming society will collapse within 3 decades and therefore not saving are doing it to themselves. I don't mean to demean people stuck in actual dead end and hopeless situations.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
My mother's ex-boyfriend had this mentality. In addition to this, he never worked wage jobs (only under the table work) his whole life, so the most he'll be able to do is draw SSI, not RSDI.

And that is why he is my mother's ex. He was a moocher, and I'm glad he's gone.
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Dungeater posted...
this is lame coming from a multi millionaire
He's not wrong though. Pretty much all of us on here are between 25 and 45 years old, which is 20-40 years before retiring. There's really no excuse none of us have, outside of debilitating disabilities, to not be able to retire. All of us can get a degree, certification, trade, etc. that will allow us to get a job with a healthy 401k matching benefit and pay well enough to contribute to -- or join the government and get a steady federal or state pension.
People think retirement is impossible but that's falling for propaganda from the investor class who want to keep us working until death.
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Hinakuluiau posted...
There's really no excuse none of us have, outside of debilitating disabilities, to not be able to retire. All of us can get a degree, certification, trade, etc. that will allow us to get a job with a healthy 401k matching benefit and pay well enough to contribute to -- or join the government and get a steady federal or state pension
u are remarkably out of touch
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Hinakuluiau posted...
He's not wrong though. Pretty much all of us on here are between 25 and 45 years old, which is 20-40 years before retiring. There's really no excuse none of us have, outside of debilitating disabilities, to not be able to retire. All of us can get a degree, certification, trade, etc. that will allow us to get a job with a healthy 401k matching benefit and pay well enough to contribute to -- or join the government and get a steady federal or state pension.
People think retirement is impossible but that's falling for propaganda from the investor class who want to keep us working until death.
This has to be a shitpost
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Retirement? I don't think I know the meaning of the word.
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Hinakuluiau posted...
He's not wrong though. Pretty much all of us on here are between 25 and 45 years old, which is 20-40 years before retiring. There's really no excuse none of us have, outside of debilitating disabilities, to not be able to retire. All of us can get a degree, certification, trade, etc. that will allow us to get a job with a healthy 401k matching benefit and pay well enough to contribute to -- or join the government and get a steady federal or state pension.
People think retirement is impossible but that's falling for propaganda from the investor class who want to keep us working until death.
And what is your basis for saying that?
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If I have no savings for retirement won't the government have to take of me no matter what?
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SaikyoStyle posted...
And what is your basis for saying that?
I grew up in an immigrant family with 6 people in a 3 bedroom house, no one in my family went to college or knew how to navigate the system. My parents pulled in less than $40k combined, I had fuck all growing up. I flunked out of college after a couple years because I couldn't hack it. Spent my mid-20s bouncing from small job to small job barely making ends meet.
Finally went back to school and got a degree, now I pull six figures and have $200k in my 401k and I'm barely in my 30s, I pay more in taxes each year than my dad earns.

I'm not saying it's easy, it's just something that's attainable if you work towards it. I don't have a cool job or anything, just work for a Fortune 500 company that has a basic 5% match and the opportunity to promote.
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VeggetaX posted...
If I have no savings for retirement won't the government have to take of me no matter what?
No lol. If all you have is SSI, you're gonna be struggling hard. One of my mom's old classmates from high school retired with only SSI. That lady only gets like $300 a month from that. She has to rely on her daughter for most things.
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emblem-man posted...
But people are buying houses, people are making more money, people are making rent. Can we do stuff to make it all better and even easier? YES we absolutely fucking can, I'm not a fan of this kind of doomerism though.

Total collapse? The US has the least chances of most countries of that happening
the average person in the current day US is not fucking buying a house
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Hinakuluiau posted...
I grew up in an immigrant family with 6 people in a 3 bedroom house, no one in my family went to college or knew how to navigate the system. My parents pulled in less than $40k combined, I had fuck all growing up. I flunked out of college after a couple years because I couldn't hack it. Spent my mid-20s bouncing from small job to small job barely making ends meet.
Finally went back to school and got a degree, now I pull six figures and have $200k in my 401k and I'm barely in my 30s, I pay more in taxes each year than my dad earns.

I'm not saying it's easy, it's just something that's attainable if you work towards it. I don't have a cool job or anything, just work for a Fortune 500 company that has a basic 5% match and the opportunity to promote.
Most people cant just get a 6 figure job even with a degree

Hee Ho
justaguy3492 posted...
Is there like a higher concentration than normal of people with serious health impairments and doomers here on CE? Lot of people seem to think they, or the country (which is very silly), won't make it to retirement age.
It certainly feels that way sometimes >_> CE definitely doesnt represent the average
RIP Hornyposting on CE >_>
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justaguy3492 posted...
Is there like a higher concentration than normal of people with serious health impairments and doomers here on CE? Lot of people seem to think they, or the country (which is very silly), won't make it to retirement age.
With how many people are now drinking soda so much every day, this generation will become known as the diabetes generation.
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I'm not saving for retirement because I won't be around then
This, but unironically.

Southernfatman posted...
"Why didn't people just invest the money they didn't have!?"
and this
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For the people saying they won't reach retirement age and so there is no point to save for retirement, what happens if you do make it to retirement age?

Like, as small of a chance you think it is, what if you beat the odds and do actually make it to retirement with no retirement savings? What do you anticipate will happen?

This is more of a curiosity thing, as I am sure there must be retirees alive today who had the same sentiment when they were younger and I also wonder what has resulted of them.
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Zanzenburger posted...
For the people saying they won't reach retirement age and so there is no point to save for retirement, what happens if you do make it to retirement age?

Like, as small of a chance you think it is, what if you beat the odds and do actually make it to retirement with no retirement savings? What do you anticipate will happen?

This is more of a curiosity thing, as I am sure there must be retirees alive today who had the same sentiment when they were younger and I also wonder what has resulted of them.
Oh I'm still putting money in 401k, I'm just assuming I'll never get to see it.
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Yeah I really don't understand how so many people think this way anymore.

Not being able to see it is because you haven't thought it out, not because you'll be dead.

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Hypnospace posted...
Fucking facepalm.
what's the matter, why don't you just go do that too
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Zanzenburger posted...
For the people saying they won't reach retirement age and so there is no point to save for retirement, what happens if you do make it to retirement age?

Like, as small of a chance you think it is, what if you beat the odds and do actually make it to retirement with no retirement savings? What do you anticipate will happen?

This is more of a curiosity thing, as I am sure there must be retirees alive today who had the same sentiment when they were younger and I also wonder what has resulted of them.


If I make it to 70 then my plan is to collect on social security. If I dont have a house then Ill have to hope there is a cheap enough rental to afford me until I either croak or the state sends me to a nursing home. Im also hoping by that time the law will change to allow assisted suicide if I am suffering health wise.

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Zanzenburger posted...
For the people saying they won't reach retirement age and so there is no point to save for retirement, what happens if you do make it to retirement age?

Like, as small of a chance you think it is, what if you beat the odds and do actually make it to retirement with no retirement savings? What do you anticipate will happen?

This is more of a curiosity thing, as I am sure there must be retirees alive today who had the same sentiment when they were younger and I also wonder what has resulted of them.
I'm sure most of us are still putting into a 401k and shit, but most people can't even afford a house or anything. What's the point of living extremely frugally during your prime so maybe you can enjoy it in the last decade or two of your life?Social security might not even still exist in 30-40 years.

If you have no chance of retiring young, it doesn't seem to really make sense to sacrifice your 30s for your 80s.
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Most people cant just get a 6 figure job even with a degree
Sure, but a lot of the posts in here are very doom and gloom. Even if you can't get a six figure job, making 0 effort towards having any sort of retirement just means you'll be very miserable in old age. Even without a 6 figure job, you could get a roommate (or roommates) so that you have cheaper rent and can start putting a little money towards retirement. Or if you plan on finding a partner, having a partner that also works can be another way that someone saves money. You don't have to be maxing out a 401k every month. Even starting a little bit at a time is more of a plan than "I'll save when I'm dead"
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Zanzenburger posted...
what happens if you do make it to retirement age
read between the lines
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fr_e_shavoca_do posted...
FYI, anyone can create an account on https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/ and see how much you'll be estimated to receive monthly, as well as see how much you've put in over the years

I can assure you that not everyone can do that.
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NoxObscuras posted...
Sure, but a lot of the posts in here are very doom and gloom. Even if you can't get a six figure job, making 0 effort towards having any sort of retirement just means you'll be very miserable in old age. Even without a 6 figure job, you could get a roommate (or roommates) so that you have cheaper rent and can start putting a little money towards retirement. Or if you plan on finding a partner, having a partner that also works can be another way that someone saves money. You don't have to be maxing out a 401k every month. Even starting a little bit at a time is more of a plan than "I'll save when I'm dead"
who the fuck wants roommates in their 30s just so they can put money towards retirement
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smh all the richsplainers in this topic
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DarthAragorn posted...
who the fuck wants roommates in their 30s just so they can put money towards retirement

I'm in my 30s, and I have a roommate because that's the only way I can afford rent.

fr_e_shavoca_do posted...
well if you have a social security number you can

Exactly
I was homeless almost the entire first ten years of my adulthood. Managed to get a job finally, got a tear down of a house of a house to live in that I've finally made decent over a few years. "Just invest" is a seriously flawed concept that is still, to a degree, luck based to actually get anywhere near being able to retire on, and even being able to set enough aside to start on that is hard to put in to the cards for some of us.

No one really gives up on this, but the fuck do you want people to do? Our great economy isn't about elevating people any more, it's about insulating those there against failure. Most breaking through that blockade are riding the cutting edge or bumbled across it out of pure luck.

Our retirement age is going to a bloodbath with the absence of Social Security.
Yall realize exactly almost 100 years ago people were in an exoonentisllyeorse economic state called the Great depression and they still lived their lives and raised families and stuff because thats a normal human thing to do?

We got a ways to go before we're at that level just sayin
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Hypnospace posted...
Ok

What's your point

The point is betting on the country collapsing before you have to worry about living after 65 is naive at best.

The last century saw a sitting president get his head blown off while in office; a literal button switch away from nuclear holocaust, mccarthyism putting fascism lite in American homes and more.

Country didn't collapse. It's gonna take something more than what we have now to collapse it.
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Hinakuluiau posted...
I grew up in an immigrant family with 6 people in a 3 bedroom house, no one in my family went to college or knew how to navigate the system. My parents pulled
Made it this far before I lost interest.

Bottom line, the majority of the people will never have enough to retire and that number gets larger every year.
Taxes, death, and trouble.
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Toonstrack posted...
Yall realize exactly almost 100 years ago people were in an exoonentisllyeorse economic state called the Great depression and they still lived their lives and raised families and stuff because thats a normal human thing to do?

We got a ways to go before we're at that level just sayin
You know what those people had though? Belief that a future was going to be better.

Today, what do we got? The climate lookin' to give a whole bunch of people beachfront property and waking up all kinda nasty diseases. The economy not really following common sense any more, and even if it does we got crypto doing whatever the fuck it wants with money basically.

Big difference between then and now? Prez gettin' blown away, nukes flying, all that is controllable by humanity in some degree. We can recover. There's a lot of stuff going on right now that we're just incapable of fixing as things stand, and we're trying, but we're still a long ways off making anything better.

Not really a reason to care too much about the future these days.
R_Jackal posted...
You know what those people had though? Belief that a future was going to be better.

Today, what do we got? The climate lookin' to give a whole bunch of people beachfront property and waking up all kinda nasty diseases. The economy not really following common sense any more, and even if it does we got crypto doing whatever the fuck it wants with money basically.

Big difference between then and now? Prez gettin' blown away, nukes flying, all that is controllable by humanity in some degree. We can recover. There's a lot of stuff going on right now that we're just incapable of fixing as things stand, and we're trying, but we're still a long ways off making anything better.

Diseases and climate disasters aren't new, but this climate one is a unknown. While itd been a while since humanity has faced a legit one, weev also never had the technology and communication we have now.

Not really a reason to care too much about the future these days.

If you dont care about the future theres no point caring about the present. But people do care about the present, and should.

You just gotta carve out an existence that works and take control of what little you can. Theres value even in being a small force for good in the world, there always has been.
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Toonstrack posted...
Diseases and climate disasters aren't new, but this climate one is a unknown. While itd been a while since humanity has faced a legit one, weev also never had the technology and communication we have now.

If you dont care about the future theres no point caring about the present. But people do care about the present, and should.

You just gotta carve out an existence that works and take control of what little you can. Theres value even in being a small force for good in the world, there always has been.

Warmer climate means we're going to get more pandemic-style diseases in all reality, so it'll likely be way more common. Climate change is definitely fucking us up already(Look at the Tornado statistics from the past couple years would be an easy one).

Being a small force of good is great and all, but these days it's pretty easy to feel like everything is crushing you under heel in the present, and the outlook for the future is pretty grim these days. Not to mention Millenials going through... three? Four? "Once in a lifetime" economic disasters. I'm still doing what I can for my retirement, but that's strictly because I want time to sit on my ass and play video games when the time comes until I'm too old to move. Most people I know though? They don't care about it, honestly.
Toonstrack isnt a serious person who has valid opinions and he regularly gets suspended for posting racist/transphobic content.
Taxes, death, and trouble.
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Im not saving for retirement, because at this rate, I will never be able to retire
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R_Jackal posted...
Warmer climate means we're going to get more pandemic-style diseases in all reality, so it'll likely be way more common. Climate change is definitely fucking us up already(Look at the Tornado statistics from the past couple years would be an easy one).

Being a small force of good is great and all, but these days it's pretty easy to feel like everything is crushing you under heel in the present, and the outlook for the future is pretty grim these days. Not to mention Millenials going through... three? Four? "Once in a lifetime" economic disasters. I'm still doing what I can for my retirement, but that's strictly because I want time to sit on my ass and play video games when the time comes until I'm too old to move. Most people I know though? They don't care about it, honestly.

That's a casuality loop that's going to guarantee not only their present misery, but misery for their future self as well.
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