Lawrence O'Donnell: "A Vote for Jill Stein Is a Vote for Trump"

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Humble_Novice
10/22/2024
08:44 PM
#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Ohi0lRgyY
SoIidLegacy
10/22/2024
08:52 PM
#2
Any choice that isn't a vote for Harris effectively works in Trump's favor.
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argonautweakend
10/22/2024
08:53 PM
#3
Jill Stein has ran in like 12 of these things and I don't get it.

And no, nobody even attempt to explain, it's actually more interesting to me this way

edit: wait a minute, this is only her third? And who the fuck is Howie Hawkins? The less answers, the better.
Zikten
10/22/2024
08:54 PM
#4
It's also a vote for Putin. I am so sick of seeing comments on YouTube like "vote Green Party if you oppose genocide " do these people not know about the picture of Jill sitting next to Putin at a dinner?
Justin2Krelian
10/22/2024
08:55 PM
#5
Wow at Harris making an anti-Stein ad
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mystic_belmont
10/22/2024
09:01 PM
#6
Justin2Krelian posted...
Wow at Harris making an anti-Stein ad

Trump is grateful that Stein took votes from Clinton.
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Turtlemayor333
10/22/2024
09:04 PM
#7
"Enlightened centrists" need to understand the state of the third parties has never been this bad.

As far as I can tell, the entire Jill Stein "campaign" amounts to her Twitter posts and podcasts. Then you have RFK who can't figure out which states where he wants to be on the ballot or not.

Do ya'll remember when third parties actually tried to have, like, events and debates? They aren't even pretending anymore.
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mystic_belmont
10/22/2024
09:08 PM
#8
Bob is tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.

If Trump wins, he won't have to worry about voting, because Trump is going to end elections.
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BigSLM1993
10/25/2024
10:09 AM
#9
Jill doesn't even know how many members are in the House of Representatives XD
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Were_Wyrm
10/25/2024
10:11 AM
#11
mystic_belmont posted...
Trump is grateful that Stein took votes from Clinton.
Biden is grateful that Jorgensen took votes from trump.
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NatsuSama
10/25/2024
10:22 AM
#12
Turtlemayor333 posted...
"Enlightened centrists" need to understand the state of the third parties has never been this bad.
I'd argue it's not just them given there's the online left like Kyle, Briahna and Rose Twitter and their followers who advocate or flirt with the idea of not voting or going 3rd party because Harris and Democrats aren't "left enough." The Palestine protestors also tend to have a portion that falls into this category of flirting or outright saying they will vote 3rd party or stay home.

Cenk before Biden dropped out for example, was heavily flirting with the idea that Democrats are almost just as bad as Republicans.
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BloodyBenten
10/25/2024
10:32 AM
#13
Yeah we hear this every time.

Votes for third parties are a waste and its akin to throwing your vote away, but its also absolutely critical for the other guy winning and you must not do it under any circumstances!
Metal_Gear_Raxis
10/25/2024
10:39 AM
#14
Zikten posted...
It's also a vote for Putin. I am so sick of seeing comments on YouTube like "vote Green Party if you oppose genocide " do these people not know about the picture of Jill sitting next to Putin at a dinner?
I've gotten into that point with green stans on Twitter, their usual excuse is she's trying to forge bonds so we don't have another conflict like in Ukraine.

Yes, they think NATO is at fault for the war.
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steve_madsci
10/25/2024
10:39 AM
#15
Some people sure do hate democracy. Vote for whomever you want, that's how voting works.
Dark_Arbron
10/25/2024
11:15 AM
#16
steve_madsci posted...
Some people sure do hate democracy. Vote for whomever you want, that's how voting works.

"Even if that means not helping oppose a party that wants to end democracy."

When the system itself is under attack, it isn't business as usual.
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bover_87
10/25/2024
11:45 AM
#17
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
I've gotten into that point with green stans on Twitter, their usual excuse is she's trying to forge bonds so we don't have another conflict like in Ukraine.

Yes, they think NATO is at fault for the war.
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Kradek
10/25/2024
01:09 PM
#18
BloodyBenten posted...
Yeah we hear this every time.

Votes for third parties are a waste and its akin to throwing your vote away, but its also absolutely critical for the other guy winning and you must not do it under any circumstances!

Because it's true, though more accurately voting 3rd party helps whoever ultimately wins to win because theoretically you could have voted against that candidate, regardless of who they are. And 3rd party is always going to be a useless vote in terms of getting them nominated in this nation because of how our system is stupidly set up.

Protest votes/not voting doesn't actually accomplish anything other than making that person feel superior to others and good about themselves.
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Cheater87
10/25/2024
01:14 PM
#19
My parents want 3rd parties banned in the US.
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BloodyBenten
10/25/2024
01:15 PM
#20
Cheater87 posted...
My parents want 3rd parties banned in the US.
Nothing more democratic than banning the political parties not in power.
Hexenherz
10/25/2024
01:17 PM
#21
Current electoral system makes it practically impossible for third party candidates to actually get elected anyway so yes, vote for third party is a wasted vote.

Need to vote third party at the local and state level to really get the system changed but somehow people got scammed into thinking their vote for Stein is actually going to make a difference.
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Dark_Arbron
10/25/2024
01:19 PM
#22
Hexenherz posted...
Current electoral system makes it practically impossible for third party candidates to actually get elected anyway so yes, vote for third party is a wasted vote.

Same in Australia really. The only parties that matter are the Liberal Coalition or the Australian Labour Party. The Greens don't matter, and neither does One Nation (thankfully).
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BloodyBenten
10/25/2024
01:21 PM
#23
Hexenherz posted...
but somehow people got scammed into thinking their vote for Stein is actually going to make a difference.
If it doesnt make a difference then the major party activists should stop complaining about it.
Hexenherz
10/25/2024
01:29 PM
#24
BloodyBenten posted...
If it doesnt make a difference then the major party activists should stop complaining about it.
It makes a difference in that it takes votes potential votes away from the candidates who can actually be elected. It doesn't make a difference in the sense that third party candidates can't be elected with the current system.
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Westernwolf4
10/25/2024
01:39 PM
#25
ODonnell and AOC are completely right about this. Jill Stein is a ridiculous, unserious grifter fraud.

Cult lines up dutifully behind Donald Trump, even though he tried to overthrow the duly elected government and install himself in power among all the other countless immoral and corrupt crap he does. In the meantime the Democrat candidate has to be perfect or people start throwing votes to trash like Jill Stein, Gary Johnson and Ralph Nader. Then we get a Bush or a Trump who destroys courts for a generation, Roe and basic rights disappear, and the same people wonder how this could have possibly happened.

It is infuriating.
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darkace77450
10/25/2024
02:06 PM
#26
steve_madsci posted...
Some people sure do hate democracy. Vote for whomever you want, that's how voting works.

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IceCreamOnStero
10/25/2024
02:10 PM
#27
Hexenherz posted...
Need to vote third party at the local and state level to really get the system changed

It won't do anything there either
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Humble_Novice
10/26/2024
03:49 PM
#28
https://x.com/JillSteinsYacht/status/1849907194399003053
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