What's up with young men being more conservative?

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From what I've observed it comes to this:
-Men's mental health issues being largely ignored due to societal pressure on men
-Women starting to get ahead and break through gender roles while society still perpetuates said gender roles for men
-Men starting to feel left behind
-Sometimes overblown, sometimes not cases of people dismissing men as useless (in part due to said perpetuation of gender roles)
-Grifters starting making seemingly rational arguments about society not caring about young men's health (while not really offering anything themselves yet)
-This starting a pipeline into more and more radical beliefs, with the grifters portraying following said beliefs as the solution
-Media generally still ignoring this, and the grifters doing what they can to keep young men hooked and dismissing of the few others who actually do want to help
-This leading into young men forming a parasocial relationship with these grifters, believing them to be the ones that truly came to help them
-and here we are
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Antiyonder posted...
Sure, but again, why are the ones that are guilty of the crime not getting some scorn. I mean do you think rape is a rare occurence?
Why do you think I'm okay with rapists?

Why assume that it is an absolute statement? Do you want them to talk down to you?

Maybe they respect the good ones to know that they aren't a target perhaps.
Because they're the same people who throw out the "bowl of M&Ms" analogy, which posits they should never trust any man just because some might be dangerous.
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itcheyness posted...
Why do you think I'm okay with rapists?

No, I was asking if you believe it happens less often than reported? Like how people claimed racism was no longer a problem or arguably even treat it more as an annoyance than serious problem.

Well and this comment earlier "so assuming for a second that the women answering that were largely not assault victims " sounded like you disbelieve it is still a serious frequent issue towards women.

Because they're the same people who throw out the "bowl of M&Ms" analogy, which posits they should never trust any man just because some might be dangerous.

All women? Because claiming that young men shouldn't be dismissed while doing the opposite to women flys in the face of your concern doesn't it?
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Antiyonder posted...
Sure, but again, why are the ones that are guilty of the crime not getting some scorn. I mean do you think rape is a rare occurence?
It isn't rare, and rapists are destroyed for life (as they should) unless they're extremely powerful/rich to get away with it.

On the other hand, men were also victim of rape, but for some reason nobody cares about them,. Even the media goes on its way to treat it as a joke.
Maybe they respect the good ones to know that they aren't a target perhaps.
Then they should use their words for it.

Edit: I misread the statement. Removing a line.
The ones raping or being abusive are, yes.

Well that's the thing. If you're insisting all women treat men like shit, it's a bit shaky to still complain about generalizations of men which I have been getting a feeling of in the thread.
But again it's hard to feel for someone who isn't genuinely kind (i.e. Not restricting it to a potential date or just girls/women).
Yeah, I get the whole doing good and getting compensated, but there's a difference between say working for a business with the upfront intent of being paid, and then there is pretending to be an altruistic person to get laid.
One is based on honesty and agreement, the other is falsehood by omission.
My point would be acting altruistic to not be automatically labeled as a monster.

Hell, the statement can be applied in this situation. A voting part is now realizing that they want the men good graces for their votes, and not for the goods of their hearts too.

Sucks, but when again when people aren't in the best of moods, it is easier to tune out the good.
But the guy that has done everything right has to suck it up the complete nonchalant disregarded portrayal of them, right?
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Antiyonder posted...
No, I was asking if you believe it happens less often than reported? Like how people claimed racism was no longer a problem or arguably even treat it more as an annoyance than serious problem.
No, hell it probably happens more often than reported. I actually know that for a fact, on account of me never having reported my rape to any authorities or anything.

Well and this comment earlier "so assuming for a second that the women answering that were largely not assault victims " sounded like you disbelieve it is still a serious frequent issue towards women.
No, that's not what I meant. I was working under the assumption that the majority of the women answering were not assault victims.

All women? Because claiming that young men shouldn't be dismissed while doing the opposite to women flys in the face of your concern doesn't it?
Where are you getting all women from that?
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itcheyness posted...
Where are you getting all women from that?

It just seems like those well sticking up for the young men voting for Trump just seem to think it's only/all women or pro-feminist guys who pushed them to their vote. And not considering say that older guys who value gender roles of old.
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Antiyonder posted...
It just seems like those well sticking up for the young men voting for Trump just seem to think it's only/all women or pro-feminist guys who pushed them to their vote. And not considering say that older guys who value gender roles of old.
I'm explaining the actions of Democrats that made them susceptible to right wing grifters.
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012yArthur0 posted...
But the guy that has done everything right has to suck it up the complete nonchalant disregarded portrayal of them, right?

Like they clearly said (all) dads are horrible or something or even. I mean if not this exact wording (with or without all), then why assume one's self to be the recipient of their rant. And is this a video where they are speaking to a good dad or just a thread?

Anyway, though I never got a direct answer on my question which I would like to ask for one last time (Both or either of you). When you say these guys tried to be decent, did they speak directly against say guys who are predatory and/or sexist? Even just going beyond young gen males, cause this is why I have been firm on my stance.

I keep seeing people assuming that direct action is the only problem and not enabling. But to take the scenario I've been using, let's say you hear of a woman who was proved to be assaulted and the guy in question is guilty. What is the first of either thought if you hear or read about such?:

A. The guy is scum and I hope he is put away for a long time.

B. Poor guy can't help being attracted to the lady. She probably was too sexy for her own good.

I'm sure either you or itcheyness would think A, it's just people will give advocacy to the person in the wrong and then act like they are better than sexual predators and bigots.
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People associated with the Democratic party should really really not do posts like this

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emblem-man posted...
People associated with the Democratic party should really really not do posts like this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fcd9123f.jpg
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emblem-man posted...
People associated with the Democratic party should really really not do posts like this

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fcd9123f.jpg
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HighSeraph posted...
Where's the lie?

Would you say the same thing if she said "Latino men without college degrees are going to ruin this county?" Or black men?

It doesn't fucking matter if it's true or not. You don't fucking say it if you are in any way related to the Democratic party.

And if you're a regular person, it's just being an asshole and you shouldn't stay it either.
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We've taken for granted that the Democratic Party will always win the popular vote, and the younger generation will eventually trend to the DNC in its own. This election should be a wake up call that this will not happen if the party doesn't also appeal to young men. And the left wing culture will need to adapt.

As others have said, it is not just policy platforms or candidates that influence the vote. It is the positions of political influencers and random people online which have a meaningful impact on party perception.

I also think this is the second election which has shown you need a charismatic politician, not an accomplished one to be president. The average swing voter listening in and thinking "this person gets it! I like this person." Then they will listen to "x will improve you lives" in a more meaningful way than somebody listing statistics and facts.
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In other words, the grifters won. Wonder if some sort of counter-grifters could work?
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emblem-man posted...
Would you say the same thing if she said "Latino men without college degrees are going to ruin this county?" Or black men?

It doesn't fucking matter if it's true or not. You don't fucking say it if you are in any way related to the Democratic party.

And if you're a regular person, it's just being an asshole and you shouldn't stay it either.
It is allowed to say that to the whites. Now people are feeling that can say the same to Latinos because they didn't vote on what they wanted.

She says that men without college is the problem, well, when men said that they didn't feel welcome in university, it was because they "had to work without their privileges".

I wonder how many electoral defeats it needs to take to create some sympathy for the demographic they need but they don't want.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/469ef6a5.jpg

I don't get it how an electoral party feels entitled to have voters, but here we are.
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012yArthur0 posted...
It is allowed to say that to the whites. Now people are feeling that can say the same to Latinos because they didn't vote on what they wanted.

She says that men without college is the problem, well, when men said that they didn't feel welcome in university, it was because they "had to work without their privileges".

I wonder how many electoral defeats it needs to take to create some sympathy for the demographic they need but they don't want.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/469ef6a5.jpg

I don't get it how an electoral party feels entitled to have voters, but here we are.


I agree but again, I want to emphasize that the vast majority of democratic politicians are NOT saying this stuff. In fact, you have Trump and Vance outright calling cities trash and being demeaning to people.

So I really really wish the average voter would not conflate random Twitter messages with Democratic politicians, but that's obviously not going to happen, and Dems are held to a higher standard sadly.
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emblem-man posted...
I agree but again, I want to emphasize that the vast majority of democratic politicians are NOT saying this stuff. In fact, you have Trump and Vance outright calling cities trash and being demeaning to people.

To be honest, if you went through the internet you will always see some weirdass MAGA supporter saying the most insane bullshit often and also getting criticized for it.

Strawmanning political members and voters will always be a thing, the difference is that for some reason these particular talking points were allowed to these targets.

Reminder, GenZ (and the following generations) are most chronically online than ever, so what happens in the internet can make a difference. These guys didn't feel welcome, so they left.
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012yArthur0 posted...
To be honest, if you went through the internet you will always see some weirdass MAGA supporter saying the most insane bullshit often and also getting criticized for it.
And in some cases Vance and Trump amplify it to a national state.
I know it's not a game to see who has it worse, but Republicans are held to no standards.

But yes, Dems have to play the game that's in front of them , regardless of how fair it is
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012yArthur0 posted...
These guys didn't feel welcome, so they left.
I'd like to point out that personally I (straight white male with no college degree) don't feel welcome in the Democratic party. I feel tolerated at best.

I still vote Democratic anyway because I know it's in my best interest, but not everyone is like that.
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itcheyness posted...
I'd like to point out that personally I (straight white male with no college degree) don't feel welcome in the Democratic party. I feel tolerated at best.

I still vote Democratic anyway because I know it's in my best interest, but not everyone is like that.
Yeah, I would have voted Democratic too if I was there.

They did a mistake for voting for Trump, but I can't completely blame a group that felt left out and unwelcomed.
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012yArthur0 posted...
but I can't completely blame a group that felt left out and unwelcomed.

Do you hold this level of empathy for other groups when they say they feel left out and unwelcome?
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"It'S tHe MaLe LoNeLiNeSs EpIdEmIc"

no it's not, the cause is social media brainrot. The "male loneliness epidemic" is also the direct result of gen Z men being poorly socialised due to social media brainrot. Stop this fake right wing talking point
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emblem-man posted...
Do you hold this level of empathy for other groups when they say they feel left out and unwelcome?
I do, thats why I'm leftist.

But did you hold empathy for this one?

Lobinde posted...
"It'S tHe MaLe LoNeLiNeSs EpIdEmIc"

no it's not, the cause is social media brainrot. The "male loneliness epidemic" is also the direct result of gen Z men being poorly socialised due to social media brainrot. Stop this fake right wing talking point
It wasn't the ONLY point for the loss, but it was one worth mentioning.
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012yArthur0 posted...
But did you hold empathy for this one?
Based on my other posts in this topic I think it should be clear that I do.

I asked the question because I think there are people who want others to feel this empathy for men, but have never extended it for other groups.

For example, the "facts don't care about feelings" group who are now realizing that feeling actually do matter.
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emblem-man posted...
Do you hold this level of empathy for other groups when they say they feel left out and unwelcome?
I certainly do.
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Incel culture through social media has gotten bigger, but women becoming more outspoken and confident is going to be an interesting dynamic to that...
...I think I'm done here...
emblem-man posted...
For example, the "facts don't care about feelings" group who are now realizing that feeling actually do matter.
It always did, psychology always took big parts of politics. This is why populism is always strong. I think this was a talking about Democracy since Ancient Greece.

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Lobinde posted...
"It'S tHe MaLe LoNeLiNeSs EpIdEmIc"

no it's not, the cause is social media brainrot. The "male loneliness epidemic" is also the direct result of gen Z men being poorly socialised due to social media brainrot. Stop this fake right wing talking point
It's not just Gen Z though. Most of the things brought up ITT can also be applied to millennials. Democrats have failed in reaching out to two generations of men and they're going for a third.
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My instagram algorithm is littered with "men r bad" variants, full of generalisations. I got quite into hinge and bumble dating discussion, and naturally there is more dating content on insta made by women than men, and it pays to make inflammatory hot takes, and yeah. I can see how guys in their teens and early 20s would feel hopeless

I made the choice to just stop looking at my insta feed(the more you click into content the more similar stuff you'll get so my algorithm is ruined now) but some guys just keep reading and driving themselves crazy
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I appreciate the contributions in this topic. Maybe closing the board reduced rampant shit posting, because this feels like best behavior CE on a potentially contentious topic.
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Jabodie posted...
I appreciate the contributions in this topic. Maybe closing the board reduced rampant shit posting, because this feels like best behavior CE on a potentially contentious topic.
The fact that it is talked about it instead of appearing a bunch of users trying to bemean it with "boo hoo men" like it used to happen GFaqs says quite a lot.

And thank you for this topic, btw.
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012yArthur0 posted...
I do, thats why I'm leftist.

But did you hold empathy for this one?

I have empathy to a degree, but not to the point of the ones who did vote out of spite/knowingly, but I would extend that yes to the women or even say Blacks and Latinos who did as well if it makes a difference.

It's just that when the ones who are speaking up for it are men as well, it's hard you have to at least understand if defense for them is apathy or bro code for lack of a better descriptor.

Itcheyness did clarify on his part, but would you say that all women and pro-feminist guys were at fault on the matter or no?

Heck for what it's worth independent of the specifics of the topic, that's a second reason male crimes towards women bother me. Victimizing someone (Primary reason) and casting more shade on our gender.
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Mostly social media. Gen X parents are also the most conservative tooo apparently (and they raise them), at least based off of voting for Trump
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
My instagram algorithm is littered with "men r bad" variants, full of generalisations. I got quite into hinge and bumble dating discussion, and naturally there is more dating content on insta made by women than men, and it pays to make inflammatory hot takes, and yeah. I can see how guys in their teens and early 20s would feel hopeless

I made the choice to just stop looking at my insta feed(the more you click into content the more similar stuff you'll get so my algorithm is ruined now) but some guys just keep reading and driving themselves crazy

I'm sorry, but they need to get over it? Yeah, video games have women with b-cups now and some people joke how men are bad....there're a fuckton of generalizations about women, too, these dudes ain't special.

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