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absolutebuffoon posted...
This is a threat right? It's blackmail right? It's so unclear.
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creativerealms posted...
He wants their resources, same as with Greenland.
I don't think Trump wants anything, he's just concerned with establishing his place in the history books and serving his own ego.

That's not to say someone hasn't directed him to Canada and Greenland for their resources tho.
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HighSeraph posted...
That's not to say someone hasn't directed him to Canada and Greenland for their resources tho.
I'm sure Elon is encouraging it. He's looking at Greenlands lithium and licking his lips
Tom_Joad posted...
This.

I was shocked to see how quickly Americans changed their views on Greenland as soon as Trump said that he wanted it.

Less than a day later, most Americans (at least online) were baying for blood. Saying that the Danes weren't "real" people and that they shouldn't be considered with regard to Greenland.

And that applied doubly-so for the people of Greenland, too.
That's what happens when you stay online too long, or you surround yourself with right wingers. From what I've been seeing irl, nobody is paying attention to Greenland.
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ScazarMeltex posted...
This isn't a f***ing Paradox game man. There is no real life mechanic preventing an invasion without a proper cases belli.

This would absolutely trigger NATO's mutual defense clause though. The US military absolutely does not have the capacity to invade and occupy a landscape the size of Canada for any prolonged period of time. We couldn't manage it in Vietnam, we couldn't do it in Afghanistan, and we didn't really do it in Iraq. And those were places that had a sizeable contingent of people who were happy with us being there because of the crimes of the previous regimes.
No fucking shit. And in real life, if you just decide to invade without justification, people don't do dick all about it. Casus Bellis aren't video games mechanics. If the USA invaded Canada, there is literally no claim to anything. Trump has literally said "we are putting tariffs on you and if you want them to stop be absorbed into the US." There is no claim to any validity to their words. Even fucking Russia Made a proper claim before it tried to invade even if it was flimsy as shit.

Having an unhinged rant doesn't make you right.
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But yeah, no. Donald's smoking some bad reefer to come up with this.
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
That's what happens when you stay online too long, or you surround yourself with right wingers. From what I've been seeing irl, nobody is paying attention to Greenland.
This. Literally everyone is trying to live and so many people in here stay online way too much.
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Umbreon posted...
Puerto Rico: Are we a joke to you?

But yeah, no. Donald's smoking some bad reefer to come up with this.

I just remembered - weren't amphetamines rampant in the WH during his first term?
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Perhaps its a good time to remind him that Canada is the only nation to ever mount a successful invasion of the US in history. (Unless you count before it became the US, or count one-off terrorist attacks, of course.)
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That would just make him want to invade more as payback.
It's all true.
Holy_Cloud105 posted...
The citizens are lazy. The military overwhelmingly supports Trump. The citizens are the only thing that can do anything but they won't.

They'll just listen to whatever God Emperor tells them and believe. That's what America is now.
People are currently complacent because the average American normie hasn't been impacted directly by Trump's antics yet, but that'll change. It's easy to forget what's going on when I'm out at Target or something.
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HighSeraph posted...
I don't think Trump wants anything, he's just concerned with establishing his place in the history books and serving his own ego.

That's not to say someone hasn't directed him to Canada and Greenland for their resources tho.
His place in history is secured. It's just what he will be remembered as that remains to be seen that depends on who is writing the history books in twenty or thirty years.
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chaos_knight posted...
Does Canada have any defenses to suppress the full might of the American military? This isn't even a Ukraine-Russia type scenario. I'd never wish it to happen but it would be a fast war.


canada does not have nukes of our own but we have the means to develop them very quickly if necessary. but our basic grunts in the military are better trained than americas best soldiers
the states throw a lot of money at their military so they have expensive toys to play with but their soldiers are some of the worst trained in the world.
the thing is that america has the strongest navy in the world. but are particularly vulnerable to land assault which typically isnt an issue since they are bordered by 2 allies. canada and mexico
should trump try to take canada by forced we are also much more well liked and can call on our allies who will side with us over america.

the road to victory between a war between america and canada does heavily lean in americas favor but it would not be an easy fight for the stats and canada does have a chance of winning the conflict if we could get mexico on our side, gather allies and launch a pincer attack both north and south of the border
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Wouldnt end well for us. Especially considering a significant amount of US citizens would also be against that war, so wed basically be fighting another civil war while also having to fight off other countries.

Then theres the whole Greenland and Panama Canal bullshit. USA would be stretched far too thin and fighting itself, itd be the easiest win ever.
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Also consider: Canada would no doubt call for support from allies, including Australia, who have fucking emus .
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Trumble posted...
Also consider: Canada would no doubt call for support from allies, including Australia, who have fucking emus .

Im now imagining helicopters dropping combat-trained kangaroos on US soil

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littlebro07 posted...
Im now imagining helicopters dropping combat-trained kangaroos on US soil
Drop bears.

Theyre deadly enough dropped from a tree. Imagine if choppers enter the equation.
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creativerealms posted...
His place in history is secured. It's just what he will be remembered as that remains to be seen that depends on who is writing the history books in twenty or thirty years.
It sure won't be his people, Nazi Germany didn't make it twenty years and their dictator wasn't deliberately trying to destroy the country.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
It sure won't be his people, Nazi Germany didn't make it twenty years and their dictator wasn't deliberately trying to destroy the country.
Yeah. Hitler's policies had a short term economic benefit. Seems like war is good for profit. Of course it wasn't sustainable and he lost but Trump doesn't even have that short term boost. It's just straight off a cliff into depression.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
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What is the maga propaganda that says Canada isn't treating us fairly?
BunkerBoy posted...
What is the maga propaganda that says Canada isn't treating us fairly?

Because despite always claiming superiority, they also always have to be the victim.
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McmadnessV3 posted...
The logistics alone for an invasion of canada would not work. War is far too costly to bring any kind of net positive to a country. It wouldn't be over quickly, a lot of people would die and the most america might get is a small increase in land thats either in the middle of nowhere or bombed to shit suburban areas once peace talks came around.

Which is why they won't use force. They'll try to get us to bend over economically instead. The military they'll save for greenland.
Guy wants continental USA from Darien Gap at Panama's southern border, all way up to the pole through Canada, & Greenland towards the Euro shelf or whatever we call it.

It's just not going to happen. There's barely anything Canada is withholding economically or geopolitically from the US without us being a f'n state.
If he thinks he can invade or annex because a f'n drug lab in the BC interior, he's mad. 3rd of the US didn't vote, another 3rd voted Harris... he's got no mandate to destroy the continent even if he thinks he can lock up 10s of million Latin Americans.

History will show the US re-elected him after Rudy Giuliani was his f'n legal wingman. That's a full non-starter.
BunkerBoy posted...
What is the maga propaganda that says Canada isn't treating us fairly?

There isn't. It's entirely that Trump thinks they are. And its because he's completely ignorant on how the economy and trade works.

The sycophants hear it and repeat it. That's all.
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joaquintall posted...
Such an arrogant pos. Canadians (except for most Albertans and the occasional brain-rotted Trump slurper in the other provinces), want nothing to do with Trumpistan.
Polls indicated that less than 20% of Albertans wanted to join the US back in early January. Most Albertans do not want anything to do with Trump.
Stagmar posted...
Polls indicated that less than 20% of Albertans wanted to join the US back in early January. Most Albertans do not want anything to do with Trump.

Cool... my source was hearsay, and their reputation. Imagine Trump being so bad that even Alberta now doesn't want to join the US. If only people could see that Poilievre uses similar tactics to Trump (non-answers except for blaming leftists and immigrants), maybe there is a slight chance we don't have a majority conservative government next election.
Maybe Canada should join the EU. We border two European countries after all and one of them is a land border.
chaos_knight posted...
Trump is far more deranged and irrational than Putin. Anyone who could stop him got replaced with cultists.

There is a reason the Doomsday Clock is the closest to midnight it's ever been.

Why are you pretending the Doomsday Clock means anything?

For starters, do you also have any idea how enormous Canada is?
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LightSnake posted...
Why are you pretending the Doomsday Clock means anything?

For starters, do you also have any idea how enormous Canada is?

Only the southern bits are populated, mostly.
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People IRL (as an Aussie so speaking from my social circle in Aus) keep thinking I'm exaggerating when I say Trump is actively gearing up to invade Canada.

I wish I was. Unironically by 2028 I believe that Taiwan will have been conquered by China, Canada will have a chunk annexed, Panama will have blown its canal, and the US will be ousted from the rest of the globe in the same way Russia has been except even harder.

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M1Astray posted...
People IRL (as an Aussie so speaking from my social circle in Aus) keep thinking I'm exaggerating when I say Trump is actively gearing up to invade Canada.

I wish I was. Unironically by 2028 I believe that Taiwan will have been conquered by China, Canada will have a chunk annexed, Panama will have blown its canal, and the US will be ousted from the rest of the globe in the same way Russia has been except even harder.

All just in time for the world to hit 1.5C+ warming all year round! YAY!

Trump attacking Canada would trigger WW3. That's not to say he definitely won't do it but it does mean he will not have successfully annexed anything by that point since there would be a hot war going on.
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Enclave posted...
Trump attacking Canada would trigger WW3. That's not to say he definitely won't do it but it does mean he will not have successfully annexed anything by that point since there would be a hot war going on.

You know the sad thing here is? I disagree with you. I think it won't trigger world war 3 because the US is far too powerful for any of the Western nations to attack directly. They'll just close off all trade with the US and go it alone instead, leaving the North and South American continents to fend for themselves.

America is a nuclear power with the strongest military in the world by magnitudes. There will be no hot war with them by their former allies, and obviously China/Russia won't join in.

The other reason I don't believe it'll trigger WW3 is because China wants the world economy functioning (with them at the top instead of the US) and Russia is literally not strong enough to attack the modern parts of Europe and never will be.

If anything I think Trump being in power removes WW3 from the table. He won't protect Taiwan (one of the possible triggers for world war 3), he won't protect Europe (another trigger), and nobody will attack the US (the third and final trigger).

The part where this gets scary however is the prospect of, in a few years, the US starting to sell military hardware technology to Russia. It wouldn't cause WW3 immediately but give Russia's industrial complex a couple of decades with the know-how of the US's military technology and that gap between Europe and them gets eliminated, and at that point Russia does become a legitimate threat.
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Trumble posted...
Perhaps its a good time to remind him that Canada is the only nation to ever mount a successful invasion of the US in history. (Unless you count before it became the US, or count one-off terrorist attacks, of course.)
Pancho Villa technically invaded New Mexico in 1916 during the Mexican Revolution.

Not a correction or anything, just a bit of trivia.
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BunkerBoy posted...
What is the maga propaganda that says Canada isn't treating us fairly?
Trump discovered that USA imports more stuff from Canada than what they export to Canada, so in his mind that is a loss.
He is starting to say the same thing about UK and Europe.
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ZaruenKosai posted...
If Trudeau and Sheinbaum do a 180, i swear to f***ing god i will throw my computer screen right out the window.
It's a real possibility they do if it means Trump stops the tarrifs, nobody sane wants those to happen so if there's a way to avoid it they'll do it.
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chaos_knight posted...
Scary part is we could take over Canada within a week.
This is laughably naive. The US military couldn't even get across a landmass the size of Canada and set up the necessary infrastructure they will need in a month and you're expecting them to conquer the country in a week?

Here's some fun facts about Canada:
-It is the largest country in the world by area other than Russia.
-It shares the world's single-largest land border with the US - a border that is almost completely undefended and would be horrifically vulnerable to infiltration by guerillas and partisans for attacks on US population centres.
-A significant amount of the country is rural and some of it is accessible only by air, making ferreting out guerilla groups virtually impossible.
-Canada has the seventh-highest guns per capita in the world, with approximately one gun for every three people. Most of these guns are long guns, as handguns are heavily restricted in the country.

Combine a massive geographic footprint with a well-educated, well-connected populace and you have what might be the greatest military tarpit in the world. Canada would not "win" a fight with the US, in that there isn't going to be another Canadian flag planted over the smouldering remains of the White House, but it is going to be completely impossible to take and hold for any length of time. It would be a quagmire that would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like the Anglo-Zanzibar war. Even accepting that the US would likely be able to seize most of Canada's major population centres quickly, the amount of resources needed to hold onto them for any length of time would be staggering. Partisan warfare and internal insurrection - aided by restive leftist groups within the US - would be ceaseless and highly destructive. The vast space between Canada's population centres means that military groups assigned to each would be unable to effectively support one another, amplifying the need for numbers.

And this is without getting into the response by the rest of the world. An American invasion of Canada would trigger NATO Article 5, necessitating the rest of the world's leading military powers to respond. US trade would be severely curtailed and it is quite likely the world economic system would be decoupled from the US dollar, which would cripple America economically. The US would be left with no major allies or trading partners (aside from *maybe* China, but even they would likely smell blood in the water and try to capitalize, perhaps even with an invasion of Taiwan which the US would then need to either divert resources towards or allow one of the most critical supply lynchpins in the modern world - semiconductor production - to fall into Chinese hands and/or be destroyed).

An actual military invasion of Canada would ruin the US.
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tremain07 posted...
It's a real possibility they do if it means Trump stops the tarrifs, nobody sane wants those to happen so if there's a way to avoid it they'll do it.
Trudeau is not going to back down.

This is an election year in Canada. An election *must* be called before the fall (and will likely happen sooner, once the Liberals pick their new party leader; they're in the minority, which means that the opposition parties can choose to force an election via a vote of no confidence whenever they like, something that is typically done if the polls show the opposition parties will gain seats and/or governing status) and this trade war has united Canada more or less across the political spectrum. Even many staunch conservatives are furious at the US for what is generally being perceived as an unjust and unprompted betrayal.

If Trudeau is seen to be capitulating to Trump's demands, the opposition will drop the writ immediately and the Liberals will be absolutely slaughtered at the polls (and they will deserve every bit of it). For that reason, Trudeau basically has no pathway but forward. If he can negotiate something with Trump that doesn't look like accession to US demands, he'll go for it, but you're not going to see him surrender over this.
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tremain07 posted...
It's a real possibility they do if it means Trump stops the tarrifs, nobody sane wants those to happen so if there's a way to avoid it they'll do it.

no it's not.

these attacks on canada have straight up nearly fully unified the political spectrum inhabiting canada, and they're all against it and have no qualms about retaliating.
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97% of population lives on the border if Canada didnt like america why they live so close
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tremain07 posted...
It's a real possibility they do if it means Trump stops the tarrifs, nobody sane wants those to happen so if there's a way to avoid it they'll do it.
Canada would suffer in a trade war with the US. However, the US is going to suffer a lot more trying to ignite trade wars with every single major partner. The US will break in this before Canada or the EU do, and they know it - and if they don't, there won't be much left to trade with before long.
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darkknight109 posted...
Trudeau is not going to back down.

This is an election year in Canada. An election *must* be called before the fall (and will likely happen sooner, once the Liberals pick their new party leader; they're in the minority, which means that the opposition parties can choose to force an election via a vote of no confidence whenever they like, something that is typically done if the polls show the opposition parties will gain seats and/or governing status) and this trade war has united Canada more or less across the political spectrum. Even many staunch conservatives are furious at the US for what is generally being perceived as an unjust and unprompted betrayal.

If Trudeau is seen to be capitulating to Trump's demands, the opposition will drop the writ immediately and the Liberals will be absolutely slaughtered at the polls (and they will deserve every bit of it). For that reason, Trudeau basically has no pathway but forward. If he can negotiate something with Trump that doesn't look like accession to US demands, he'll go for it, but you're not going to see him surrender over this.

This honestly could help hand Trudeau the election, right? Being seen as a "wartime" leader in times of distress.
Well, no. Trudeau has already re-signed and will be replaced as Prime Minister before the election. It may help the Liberals though probably not anywhere near enough to keep them in power but I guess we'll see. What's interesting will be the how the Conservatives react. They were probably going to sweep into a majority, probably still will, but now they have to walk a finer line.
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He also spoke with Trudeau earlier and they have another call later today.

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On the other, if it means we the people don't suffer because of it then...yeah, that's great.
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