France's Emmanuel Macron annouces that he will recognise Palestine

Stop engaging with Humble he's like Don Quixote tilting at windmills but it's imaginary leftists he's constantly fighting.

myusernameislame posted...

Are you saying liberals and centrists are so far right that they don't want any of those things?

The actual survey completely undermines Humble's argument. Economic populism and standing up to Trump resonated across the coalition, regardless of partisan leaning.

https://waytowin.docsend.com/view/rnv5sptpzsqxy6k4

There was no clear winner among the reasons why Biden voters sat out the election. The most common one was that voters "didn't like either candidate - it was a lesser of two evils" (26%). However, moderates were the most likely to pick that option. Not liberals or conservatives.

Harris being too conservative (9%) was only marginally higher than her being too liberal (8%).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2cc8d7a8.jpg

That other question focused more specifically on Harris's positions as reasons for sitting out the election. Cost of living (16%) and poverty/inequality (15%) ranked the highest, but only marginally so. And they seem to have resonated the most with Republicans who voted for Biden (46%).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/70c1025a.jpg

It's wild how we're still blaming voters for not voting instead of parties/candidates for not getting votes.

The last time either party actually tried their best for votes is 2008. It's been lazy fuck "but the other guy is worse" shit ever since.

El_Dustino posted...

I didn't mention you?

Anyways, I'm not saying it is bad political strategy, though I don't remember if supporting gay marriage would have sank his campaign at the time, it's not really important because I just don't like it, that's all. I generally don't like it when my politicians tell me they don't think I deserve equal rights, or the same to other minority groups. It's slimy at best.

My apologies if that wasn't directed at me as I've been backed into corners and had my words twisted against me before. I do in fact believe trans people deserve the same basic rights as everybody else, and it's troubling to see them only losing protections currently.

I think that Obama campaigning on gay marriage would have gotten the Tea Party folks out of their shells even sooner. So basically, I think it's important to recognize the rate of progress in how social causes are advancing before officially advocating for more change, or at least when it comes to politicians.

Even if it's loaded by restrictions, it's still a nice gesture.
Hope more countries follows, instead of ignoring or even straight opposing it.

SecretBase posted...

It's wild how we're still blaming voters for not voting instead of parties/candidates for not getting votes.

The last time either party actually tried their best for votes is 2008. It's been lazy fuck "but the other guy is worse" shit ever since.

You shouldn't check the other topic then, those people won't take it well.

UK trying to follow France

https://apnews.com/article/starmer-recognize-palestinian-state-israel-peace-a08e929a9459e9160992f84dc73b6638

Starmer says UK will recognize Palestinian state unless Israel agrees to a ceasefire
LONDON (AP) The U.K. will recognize a Palestinian state in September unless Israel agrees to a ceasefire in Gaza, allows the U.N. to bring in aid and takes other steps toward long-term peace, Prime Minister Keir Starmer said Tuesday.
Starmer called ministers together for a rare summertime Cabinet meeting to discuss the situation in Gaza.
He told them that Britain will recognize a state of Palestine before the United Nations General Assembly, unless the Israeli government takes substantive steps to end the appalling situation in Gaza, reaches a ceasefire, makes clear there will be no annexation in the West Bank, and commits to a long-term peace process that delivers a two state solution.
He also said Hamas must release all the hostages it holds, agree to a ceasefire, accept that they will play no part in the government of Gaza, and commit to disarmament.

Starmer said in a televised statement that his government will assess in September how far the parties have met these steps before making a final decision on recognition.
Britain has long supported the idea of an independent Palestinian state existing alongside Israel, but has said recognition should come as part of a negotiated two-state solution to the conflict.

Pressure to formally recognize Palestinian statehood has mounted since French President Emmanuel Macron announced that his country will become the first major Western power to recognize a Palestinian state in September.
More than 250 of the 650 lawmakers in the House of Commons have signed a letter urging the government to recognize a Palestinian state.
Starmer said that despite the set of conditions he set out, Britain believes that statehood is the inalienable right of the Palestinian people.

How does that make sense?

We will recognise it as a country unless you be slightly less shitty?

Either it's a country or not dude

This is why no one likes Starmer

Tres bien.

Charged151 posted...

As for PLO/Fatah, Arafat threw away the best chance of a peace deal at the Camp David Accords (call it crass as much as you want, but he had the weaker hand and the Palestinian people needed it more than the Israeli side did, so he should have taken what he could get)

It's not just "crass", it's the reality that Arafat wasn't offered anything like a Palestinian state in the Camp David Accords. The offer was for a bantustan. In other words, basically the same thing Palestine is now.

It is a good symbolic move, but sadly I doubt it will change anything on the ground.

Also, Canada has announced it will recognize Palestine too. I am surprised this wasn't mentioned ITT.