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You also have that one quirk that more or less makes you do whatever you're told to do.
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Will_VIIII posted...
You also have that one quirk that more or less makes you do whatever you're told to do.
Babidi had magic like that and Vegeta overcame it anyways. What's that kid gonna do to stop a rampaging saiyan that ignores his commands?
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Will_VIIII posted...
You also have that one quirk that more or less makes you do whatever you're told to do.
There's a few instances of mind control in DB, usually involving the characters effected going "Yeah I don't care about that."Most notably Vegeta who willing allowed himself to be kind controlled for a power up then just essentially told the guy to fuck off.
monkmith posted...
theoretically. all you see in the manga is her riding in on fighter jets like american mythology made manifest only to lose pretty much instantly.

ConfusedTorchic posted...
she existed literally to only die to show how strong the villain is

if she wasn't there, nothing would have changed.
Sure, that's how it went in the story. But her quirk was reality warping level. I think Horikoshi would have written himself into a corner with her if he didn't kill her off ASAP like he did.
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R_Jackal posted...
There's a few instances of mind control in DB, usually involving the characters effected going "Yeah I don't care about that."Most notably Vegeta who willing allowed himself to be kind controlled for a power up then just essentially told the guy to fuck off.
That's where it gets tricky since in the case of Babidi there's set criteria and that's not the case in MHA for the most part
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NoxObscuras posted...
Sure, that's how it went in the story. But her quirk was reality warping level. I think Horikoshi would have written himself into a corner with her if he didn't kill her off ASAP like he did.
which makes her a jobber, that is her role.

they didn't make her less stupid because then the whole sacrificial play wouldn't have been needed. honestly she could have just declared "anyone who touches me dies" as her second power and she'd never have even had her quirk stolen. then a tag team effort between her and MC would have ended the fight.
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Not very?

Roshi in early DB destroyed the moon, Vegeta at the start of Z could destroy the Earth.

I stopped watching MHA after like season 5, but I never so a feat comparable to that.

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ConfusedTorchic posted...
krillin is peak human ability*

A_Good_Boy posted...
Peak non-chi user then?
That's what I meant. Mr Satan is like Batman. Peak human without having supernatural abilities. Hes just a really skilled martial artist. But he doesn't know how to use chi
Before Satan came on the scene peak non-chi humans were still plucking bullets out of the air. I wonder if Satan can do that. I wish AT spent more time explaining exactly what it means to be considered world champ after Goku and his pals stopped competing. Like can he beat Tao in a fight?
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Not very?

Roshi in early DB destroyed the moon, Vegeta at the start of Z could destroy the Earth.

I stopped watching MHA after like season 5, but I never so a feat comparable to that.
I stopped before the last season and you do have some characters able to casually destroy cities. That's so strong in universe that the very order of the country has broken down. In contrast, that's a below average feat even half way through Dragonball. Like you said, Roshi destroyed the moon pretty easily.
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yea I think some MHA people can basically emulate a nuclear bomb. But it still wouldn't destroy the earth
there's gotta be some quirks that could blow up a planet, it's just we never need to see it because everything takes place on earth, unlike dragonball where aliens and space travelling is a thing

we only see people from japan and one person from a different country in the series, and despite all might being considered the strongest out of everyone in that world, it's proven time and time and time again that that was never the actual truth
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DBZ has insane power scaling with feats to match (blowing up planets, etc...)

I think the greatest feat that MHA has is splitting a mount in half...

So.... None of the main DBZ cast except for Mr. Satan.
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R_Jackal posted...
Even disregarding that, Vegeta threatened to blow up Earth(which is 3x the size of the real one as a note) during his fight with Goku and that seemed like a legitimate threat to them, so very likely he could've, or at least done enough damage to it to render it destroyed.

I forgot about it, true enough but that also shows how the effortless one is not cannon as he had to give it his all to do that one move.
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Its unknown if aliens exist and if they have quirks. We don't even know why quirks exist on earth, unless the final season explains it. I haven't read the Manga but I am caught up on the anime. So I only don't know the last bit of the story.
Zikten posted...
Its unknown if aliens exist and if they have quirks. We don't even know why quirks exist on earth, unless the final season explains it. I haven't read the Manga but I am caught up on the anime. So I only don't know the last bit of the story.

I'm in the exact same boat as you, however this just feels similar to a DBZ v Naruto debate.

For the Ninja world, Naruto & Sasuke are some of the most OP motherfuckers ever. Doesn't mean they hold even a candle to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God Tier Mode Blue Goku or whatever the fuck it's called because they just keep adding new words to "Super Saiyan".

Could a lot of quirks take on the likes of Yamcha, Tien, and Krillin? Perhaps, however then you also have to account for things like Destructo disc, which cut a being of even Freiza's standard and had he not been warned/sensed it was dangerous, would have been killed even by Krillin as opposed to losing a chunk of his tail.

The main difference is that DBZ fighters don't just only power up/level one particular aspect (IE quirks), their overall speed, power, endurance, and attack capabilities/options get better, whereas Bakugo is like "I made my explosions bigger than before via science, please call me Great Explosion Murder God Dynamight".
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monkmith posted...
doesn't he lose all that power to defeat handjob? did all the 'do you want fries with that' memes lie to me?

yes, he loses OFA in the final fight, but in the epilogue he gets a suit similar to what All Might had towards the end of the series that essentially puts him on par with the rest of them.
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metralo posted...
yes, he loses OFA in the final fight, but in the epilogue he gets a suit similar to what All Might had towards the end of the series that essentially puts him on par with the rest of them.
They could just give suits like that to the cops and then they wouldn't need superheroes anymore.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
They could just give suits like that to the cops and then they wouldn't need superheroes anymore .

why wasn't dere an arc where quirkless people start fighting back? like in avatar of korra
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If the entire cast of MHA teamed up I doubt they could defeat Krillian solo
A_Good_Boy posted...
They could just give suits like that to the cops and then they wouldn't need superheroes anymore.

well, people like Deku and All Might have insane battle knowledge and physical fitness too. they aren't just some random shmucks like a general cop would be
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Before Satan came on the scene peak non-chi humans were still plucking bullets out of the air. I wonder if Satan can do that. I wish AT spent more time explaining exactly what it means to be considered world champ after Goku and his pals stopped competing. Like can he beat Tao in a fight?
Probably not, considering his backstory: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-june-2014-issue-twel-buu-mysteries/

How did Mr. Satan train to become stronger? Did he have someone like a martial-arts master?
When Mr. Satan was young, he attended a fighting dojo called Satan Castle. Through a combination of considerable power and good luck (his rival fighting opponent would get food poisoning, for instance), he quickly became world champion and was called Mr. Satan after the name of his dojo. One day, at a bar in South City (where they were on tour), Satan and his martial-arts master made the mistake of making fun of Tao Pai-pais hairstyle. His master was killed, and Satan was heavily injured. From then on, Mr. Satan solemnly swore never to fight anyone whose true identity he didnt know, or anyone who seemed crazy strong.
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Probably not, considering his backstory: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-june-2014-issue-twel-buu-mysteries/

How did Mr. Satan train to become stronger? Did he have someone like a martial-arts master?

explains why videl was said to be stronger than him in the buu saga

he never faced to tried to face anyone stronger than him after that

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Zikten posted...
Mr Satan is not super human. He's basically just peak human ability but because everyone else in the cast practically is so powerful, he comes off like a loser. But I think the entire cast of My Hero Academia could beat Mr Satan, any of them. In a 1 on 1 duel. One thing someone told me once is that supposedly in MHA world, humans are just in general more durable. People can take a lot of damage without dying

No, Mr. Satan is indeed super human, just nowhere even remotely to the degree of the rest of the cast.

I know we see him as a joke but among the general population he really is incredible.
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Enclave posted...
I know we see him as a joke but among the general population he really is incredible.
No? The martial arts announcer says that all the tournaments were boring as hell when Goku and friends stopped participating.
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I mean Mr. Satan got slapped so hard by Cell he was airborne for like 5 seconds, and he tanked that like a champ. Thats superhuman durability if Ive ever seen it :3
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YugiNoob posted...
I mean Mr. Satan got slapped so hard by Cell he was airborne for like 5 seconds, and he tanked that like a champ. Thats superhuman durability if Ive ever seen it :3
I suppose.
MHA is at best Yamacha, maybe Tien. DBZ basically out classes MHA by the Saiyan saga
LordFarquad1312 posted...
No? The martial arts announcer says that all the tournaments were boring as hell when Goku and friends stopped participating.

Which lines up with what I said about how he's a joke compared to the Z Fighters. Remember, the announcer is somebody who did announcements for shit like the 23rd and 24th world tournaments, so yeah anything that Mr. Satan would win would be boring compared to people flying, shooting beams, turning into a giant ape and all that sort of stuff. He's seen shit and knows it's not all just light shows and tricks.

Videl is stronger than Mr. Satan but she's not a like a ton stronger than him and yet as a teenager she gets called on like a damn super hero by the police to fight crime.
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Always found it weird Mr Satan got to convince everyone it was all tricks, considering the tournaments were public events
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mehmeh1 posted...
Always found it weird Mr Satan got to convince everyone it was all tricks, considering the tournaments were public events
Most people only saw the Cell Tournament on tv so he probably told them it was like cgi or something
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Gladius_ posted...
That and most of what happened would be invisible to people's naked eyes. So to them they saw people standing and talking. Then explosions. Then people looking hurt. People had trouble following what nappa was doing then Z fighters couldn't even see what frieza was doing outside of piccolo and vegeta. Cell is on such a completely different level that most people would be absolutely confused what is happening.
It's also interesting to consider what that fight would look like to the perspective of a normie. In the Super Saiyan movie there's a recording of the Frieza and Trunks fight and that whole thing was mere seconds in real time. For the Cell fight you'd just be seeing people standing around for mere seconds, then the ring disappearing, then Cell standing in front of some kid while all the people that were just standing still are now all suddenly appear to be dying, then the kid screams and Cell is now coughing up a woman, then a bunch of explosions, and then it's just Hercule standing there all by himself.
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Roshi blew up the moon, and I'd say raditz is clearly stronger than roshi so I don't think any mha character is beating raditz. Like people said though there could always be a gimmick win.
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Gladius_ posted...
Lol! Yeah, and it wouldn't be hard to say things like "where did the arena go"

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It helps that Satan is also a really nice guy under being such a boisterous coward and gives a lot of his money to help people, absolutely loves his daughter, etc. I think Goku even brings up that the tournaments on earth follow a pattern of the Z fighters agreeing to take a dive against him after sorting out the rest of the tournament among themselves as they don't need the spotlight and Satan will pay them for it
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Yeah, he's a blowhard but he was already a super famous martial arts here, nobody saw the fight and he just claimed to defeat Cell. Gohan was more interested in lliving a quiet life out of the spotlight.
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Mistere_Man posted...
Strength wise he could probably get first form frieza to transform, but after that I doubt much. If he trained awhile, and learned chi blasts, and flight to enhance his quirk, he could be pretty strong, but who can say other than the writer.

He probably wouldn't be able to touch Goku in Dragon Ball, never mind Z
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AceAttorneyist posted...
He probably wouldn't be able to touch Goku in Dragon Ball, never mind Z
Also if you want to bring up getting to Frieza, there's dealing with the Ginyu force which, despite his portrayal as a joke, has someone who can literally freeze time while still moving himself.
R_Jackal posted...
Also if you want to bring up getting to Frieza, there's dealing with the Ginyu force which, despite his portrayal as a joke, has someone who can literally freeze time while still moving himself.

Like even by that point, Gurd is twice as strong as Nappa who can annihilate entire cities with zero effort
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