Wrestling and Dragon Ball fandom are up there as well. These people love to shit on the product but they'll never stop watching or using it.That what happens when a fandom is too big, it comes to a point where the all sorts of dissatisfaction just creates noise and it is near impossible to appease.
i never said anything like that
you came in to the conversation insisting that alot of love it gets is only to spite the haters
as you cant wrap your head around the idea that people genuinely like the film
this entire conversation happened because another poster thought i had to be joking when i said i like the film
this is why star wars fans have the reputation they do
as everything has to be a argument in this fandom
Like there hasn't been a ton of "if you hate the Last Jedi you're just a stunted manchild who hates women" going on, too? Like come on, there's valid reasons to like it, but don't act like valid criticisms of it haven't been roundly dismissed because people lump those people in with chuds.
The character who abducted multiple women and had them chained up in his basement said something problematic?
Dont forget what he did to the TV when watching an old Olsen Twins movie.Wait what? This was surprisingly glossed over in this topic. What is all this about?
Like there hasn't been a ton of "if you hate the Last Jedi you're just a stunted manchild who hates women" going on, too? Like come on, there's valid reasons to like it, but don't act like valid criticisms of it haven't been roundly dismissed because people lump those people in with chuds.I still remember all those discussions trying to justify that Holdo Maneuver.
Like there hasn't been a ton of "if you hate the Last Jedi you're just a stunted manchild who hates women" going on, too? Like come on, there's valid reasons to like it, but don't act like valid criticisms of it haven't been roundly dismissed because people lump those people in with chuds.
I still remember all those discussions trying to justify that Holdo Maneuver.
At this point there should be an official rule of the internet that states any discussion about Star Wars in general will eventually devolve into a TLJ argument.
See, ngl. That's something where it's like "does it make sense? No. Does it look REALLY cool? Yes."That is basically the entire sequel trilogy. Visually stunning while it also making as much sense as an acid trip.
And sometimes that's okay! It was visually stunning and dramatically impactful!
That is basically the entire sequel trilogy. Visually stunning while it also making as much sense as an acid trip.
Still, I do remember they keep postponing that Rey movie to the point I just believe it is shadow canceled at this point, it seems like not even Disney has faith in the Sequel Trilogy.
im 100% serious the last jedi is my 2nd favorite star wars moviewhat do you like about it o:
what do you like about it o:
Again, I think they just need to do a reboot at this point. Just multiverse it, decanonize the dequel trilogy, give better scripts for Boyega and Ridley.I remain baffled by why Disney is so terrified of having multiple Star Wars continuities active at the same time, when they're also the company that owns Marvel which goes wild with the multiverse.
I remain baffled by why Disney is so terrified of having multiple Star Wars continuities active at the same time, when they're also the company that owns Marvel which goes wild with the multiverse.
Wait what? This was surprisingly glossed over in this topic. What is all this about?
Obi-Wan,
I still remember all those discussions trying to justify that Holdo Maneuver.The Holdo Maneuver was amazing for the fact that it killed Holdo. I fucking hated her.
The Holdo Maneuver was amazing for the fact that it killed Holdo. I fucking hated her.
whyHer attitude was not remotely fitting for her position. Maybe Poe would have listened to her if she was actually slightly professional and not condescending. Shes probably my most hated SW character, even more than Jar Jar.
whyHer character was just not needed in anyway. Some new character never shown or mentioned being controlling and stonewalling the heroes didnt help. Plus many issues could have been solved if she simply spoke of her plans to certain people.
Her attitude was not remotely fitting for her position. Maybe Poe would have listened to her if she was actually slightly professional and not condescending. Shes probably my most hated SW character, even more than Jar Jar.
fair enough
i disagree thoe
she had no reason to explain anything to poe as he was not int he chain of command and was in trouble for being hotshot just a short time before
Poe was a Commander, she should have explained the plans with him.
he got demoted in this film for running off to be a hot shot
There is literally no sane reason not to discuss stuff with Poe. It only exists for artificial drama that causes more problems
why would she discuss things with a hot shot who has a history of ignoring orders and running off to do his own thing
what military general would discuss things with such a soldier who was JUST demoted by the supreme commander (leia) for his disobedience
I feel like there's a cohort of people who especially hate the leader character on top of her decision making because she's a woman, and then there's another cohort of people who sort of vigorously defend her in reaction to the misogyny angle
I feel like there's a cohort of people who especially hate the leader character on top of her decision making because she's a woman, and then there's another cohort of people who sort of vigorously defend her in reaction to the misogyny angle
people almost never mention the inane casino planet that looked like worse cgi garbageFunny you mention this because pretty much all of that that wasn't like the casino interior itself was actually shot in Dubrovnik, Croatia, like right down one of the main streets of the city and a few of the side streets as well.
i think alot of people treat star wars like its some religious gospel
and things that dont conform to doctrine have to be relentlessly attacked
and i think its shallow to say "people only defend holdo because of the haters"
why do people have to have a essay length reason to like a damn movie or character
There is literally no sane reason not to discuss stuff with Poe. It only exists for artificial drama that causes more problemsPoe just defied orders and got their bomber fleet decimated and there was the idea that someone is leaking info because it wasn't known at the time that you could track ships through warp drive. So yeah the guy comes off as a saboteur in the moment.
Don't you think it's a little silly to say I was only anecdotally claiming Star Wars has more male fans than female and going quiet after I posted two sources proving it but you're now trying to claim "most people love The Last Jedi" based on feels?
Male dominated doesn't mean no women, it was 60/40 as of a year ago with men still being the majority. And if we're going anecdotal aren't most of the people complaining and saying they're done men? So it was probably higher percentage of men pre Disney. Plus the 60/40 split is just ticket sales. I bet if you look at merchandise like toys the split gets even wider.
https://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2024-06-12-the-demographics-of-star-wars-fans/
So yeah the guy comes off as a saboteur in the moment.Implying that a guy who was on the ground with the resistance since minute one and helped smuggle the super omega Death Star plans in a Droid to the resistance is a mole for the First Order is almost as stupid as thinking that the guy who did a full Hitler tier speech regarding the New Republic while blowing up their major planetary holds would actually be a spy for them.
I didn't realize Holdo was such a big issue for many. I didn't enjoy her, but I didn't enjoy Poe either (I like him, and basically everyone else, better in the first movie). My issues were mainly Casino planet, stupid arms dealer morality (wow you need to buy weapons to fight fascists? That's awful, we aren't any better than them I guess), whatever the fuck was going on with Rei's "training", and everything they did to Finn (especially at the end when we get this weird ass nonsense morality about saving what we love instead of destroying what we hate; it's a fucking war).I will never forgive Rian for what he did with Finn's character in Last Jedi.
You know, Holdo didn't have to give the specifics but a simple "don't worry, we have a plan" would have sufficed. When moral is low its kind of the CO's job to help keep people in line.She is a god awful leader, and as much as I love Leia it makes her seem incompetent for choosing Holdo. Holdo comes off like a petty 13 year old who clearly has never lead people in her life.
Instead she just pointlessly berates and acts like a smug shithead when everyone is feeling extremely down after losing their figure head.
I will never forgive Rian for what he did with Finn's character in Last Jedi.
He got doubled down on in the next movie. Just a joke character who gets a new love interest every movie and has his character arc reset every time. Really sucks because he started out my favorite of the new characters.Finn had great potential coming out of VII, but they just kept repeating the same damn plots with him. What a waste. He only got any actual character development after VII in the LEGO Holiday Special of all things.
Him getting the lightsaber in ep7 is the best segment of the sequels. The lighting of it in the snow was so cool it looked right for him to have it. and he wounded Kylo, even if Kylo had his guard downDefinitely a well filmed scene. The snow fight was visually my favorite thing in the ST.
Him getting the lightsaber in ep7 is the best segment of the sequels. The lighting of it in the snow was so cool it looked right for him to have it. and he wounded Kylo, even if Kylo had his guard downThat fight was legitimately the best saber fight in the entire sequel trilogy as it was the only one that felt like there was an underlying thing besides two laser swords clattering at each other. It reminded me a bit of Luke and Vader where neither bad guy is giving their 100% until the protagonist gets a good hit in, which then the bad guy basically decides to end the game right then and there.
Yeah, Poe did the whole hotshot thing but Holdo seemed completely inept at best and like a spy for the First Order at worst. If I was Poe I wouldve been wary of her too.Yeah. The way she acted could easily make her look like a mole. It isn't far fetched for some rebel to imagine that she might be throwing everyone there to their deaths on purpose.
Yeah. The way she acted could easily make her look like a mole. It isn't far fetched for some rebel to imagine that she might be throwing everyone there to their deaths on purpose.