UK to recognise Palestine tomorrow

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-to-announce-formal-recognition-of-palestine-as-a-state-13433557

Rare good thing by Starmer.

Glad they told the US to go fuck itself on this.

Soall the people the uk arrested for protesting, they gonna get a pay check or something now, right?

VRX3000 posted...

Soall the people the uk arrested for protesting, they gonna get a pay check or something now, right?

*cheque

What does this actually mean for the people in Palestine? Will the UK be supporting them more?

Means nothing is Palestine action is still gonna be recognized as a terrorist organization or whatever

Good.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Means nothing is Palestine action is still gonna be recognized as a terrorist organization or whatever

Members of Palestine Action did in fact commit terrorist acts & have been for a long time, so supporting them means you're assosciating with them even if it's a peaceful support, people only see the ignorant peaceful protestors instead of who they're supporting unfortunately (they may be called "Palestine Action" but that's not all they're about):
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2025/803/pdfs/uksiem_20250803_en_001.pdf

Rika_Furude posted...

What does this actually mean for the people in Palestine? Will the UK be supporting them more?

It's a symbolic move for the most part.

But with France and other major European nations doing likewise, it is cementing Israel as a rogue state, isolated from the Western norms.

Whether this will mean anything, who knows?

I think Australia will be soon too

It's sad it has taken so long, but the public pressure worldwide has finally begun forcing elected officials to begin breaking away from their unconditional support of israel.

In the United states 92% of democratic voters now side with the Palestinians in this conflict (an unimaginable figure just a year ago) and several Democrats who have taken AIPAC money in the past have come out publicly in recent weeks stating they refuse to take AIPAC money. I expect this trend to continue heading into the midterms.

And this gesture by the UK is also an encouraging step in the right direction. Political change doesn't happen overnight, even when there is a genocide involved unfortunately. But we seem to be heading in the right direction.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

It's sad it has taken so long, but the public pressure worldwide has finally begun forcing elected officials to begin breaking away from their unconditional support of israel.

In the United states 92% of democratic voters now side with the Palestinians in this conflict (an unimaginable figure just a year ago) and several Democrats who have taken AIPAC money in the past have come out publicly in recent weeks stating they refuse to take AIPAC money. I expect this trend to continue heading into the midterms.

And this gesture by the UK is also an encouraging step in the right direction. Political change doesn't happen overnight, even when there is a genocide involved unfortunately. But we seem to be heading in the right direction.

It's just a shame that all this couldn't be happening with President Harris.

President Trump and the Republicans in charge right now won't GAF.

irony that they recognize it what, 100 years after they caused the whole middle east issue to begin with?

NCloud posted...

I hate to be a cynic, but I can't see this as anything other than an attempt to re-capture Labour's evaporating (to Jeremy Corbyn's new party which is explicitly pro-Palestine) Muslim vote, because they simply cannot afford to lose that voting bloc and expect to beat Reform in 2029.

I hope I'm wrong.

I know I'm not.

its not cynical to look at every action a politician takes with suspicion, because they're all lying assholes willing to do whatever they need to further their goals. sometimes its beneficial to the general population, but its always because they're helping themselves.

There are many groups that have committed far more violence against people than Palestine Action, which targets defence contractors and the military, and aims only to do property damage. The government keeps asserting that they are extremely violent, but provides no details on all the acts of violence they are alleged to have done.

They did, however, commit the unforgiveable crime of severely embarrassing the government and the military by breaking into an airforce base and putting a couple of planes out of action with spray paint.

And because of that, if I did support them, I would be unable to tell you.

NCloud posted...

(to Jeremy Corbyn's new party which is explicitly pro-Palestine)

Unless he's clarified further, Corbyn's initial description of his party sounded like they support communism rather than socialism or capitalism.

ai123 posted...

There are many groups that have committed far more violence against people than Palestine Action, which targets defence contractors and the military, and aims only to do property damage. The government keeps asserting that they are extremely violent, but provides no details on all the acts of violence they are alleged to have done.

They did, however, commit the unforgiveable crime of severely embarrassing the government and the military by breaking into an airforce base and putting a couple of planes out of action with spray paint.

And because of that, if I did support them, I would be unable to tell you.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2025/803/pdfs/uksiem_20250803_en_001.pdf

https://www.influencewatch.org/organization/palestine-action/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/why-palestine-action-was-proscribed-as-a-terror-group/

https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/palestine-action/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergie_Chambers
Just a few examples.

A few decades late but it's better than nothing.

feraldrgn posted...

Unless he's clarified further, Corbyn's initial description of his party sounded like they support communism.

Either you don't understand what he said or you don't understand communism.

so come on and chickity-

ChocoboMogALT posted...

*cheque

yourself before you *wreque yourself

ai123 posted...

Either you don't understand what he said or you don't understand communism.

To be honest I may have misunderstood what he said as I can't actually remember all of what he said other than "mass redistribution of wealth and power", which sounds like it's a counter to capitalism.

UK doing this is a huge deal, considering they were on the other side forever.

We'll see how this plays out.

feraldrgn posted...

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2025/803/pdfs/uksiem_20250803_en_001.pdf

Asserts they 'used violence' with no specifics other than that they scared people with smoke bombs. Government justifying its authoritarian crackdown.

https://www.influencewatch.org/organization/palestine-action/

Source is a right wing US think tank that seeks to disrupt funding to left wing groups.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Capital_Research_Center

Describes property crime and vandalism against defence contractors. Not violence against persons.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/why-palestine-action-was-proscribed-as-a-terror-group/

Right wing newspaper.

Paywalled. The part I can see refers to the airforce base vandalism.

https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/palestine-action/

Source funded by a pro-Israel foundation in Israel.

Founded as a project of the neo-conservative Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, whose previous president is now high up in the Netanyahu government, NGO Monitor has spent more than a decade with one task: attacking pro-peace, pro-democracy, or human rights organizations that offer criticism of Israeli government policy.

https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/181749/

Describes their intent to cause property damage to military and military adjacent targets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergie_Chambers

A communist gives them money.

Better start locking up all those pensioners who sit in the street with a cardboard sign.

Just a few examples.

Meanwhile 26 policemen are wounded at the racist rally in London. That's 25 more people than I can find evidence of Palestinian Action ever harming.

They are protestors who seek to disrupt and damage the corporations and military who are aiding and abetting mass slaughter. They are not terrorising the public. They are branded as terrorists because they target corporations and embarrass the military and the government.

Time and again, I've seen people on these boards contemptuous of protestors who pull stunts or inconvenience the public (Just Stop Oil, for example). 'Why don't you go after the real offenders, you performative cowards!', they cry. Well that's what Palestine Action are doing.

And of course, I don't agree with it one bit. Not me. Don't support them at all. Ever.

(Sarcasm aside, I actually don't endorse everything Palestinian Action has done. But I do object to seeing peaceful people handcuffed and thrown in the back of a police van for holding a sign. It's a disgrace).

ai123 posted...

Asserts they 'used violence' with no specifics other than that they scared people with smoke bombs. Government justifying its authoritarian crackdown.

It mentions pyrotechnics, not just smoke bombs).
Palestine Action's section goes from 5.2 to 5.8

https://www.educateagainsthate.com/terrorism-definition/
(Also contains a link to the UK Terrorism Act 2006 within for further reading)

You can be violent towards inanimate objects too:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/violence

ai123 posted...

They are protestors who seek to disrupt and damage the corporations and military who are aiding and abetting mass slaughter. They are not terrorising the public. They are branded as terrorists because they target corporations and embarrass the military and the government.

It's in 5.2, they don't just disrupt & damage corporations & military who are aiding & abetting mass slaughter. They are also disrupting & damaging corporations & military who:

provide services and supplies to support Ukraine, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation
(NATO), Five Eyes allies and the UK defence enterprise

I mean yes, sure, the UK shouldn't be supporting corps/militaries who are aiding & abetting mass slaughter, that is a good part of the movement but there's more to the group than just the name implies.

Not sure where you're getting the information for sources stances from or why it matters honestly when there are other sources within them & ways to find info from sources you do trust, I'm guessing you're outside of the UK since the telegraph site isn't paywalled for the UK.

(Sarcasm aside, I actually don't endorse everything Palestinian Action has done. But I do object to seeing peaceful people handcuffed and thrown in the back of a police van for holding a sign. It's a disgrace).

I agree but that's because people misunderstand Palestine Action & are objecting to the ban (some just to cause a scene), meanwhile becoming associated with a terrorist group through supporting them means the protestors get arrested, get a background check & are then released if they have no actual ties to the terrorist group.

(Also yes, I don't support or agree with anyone involved in the racist London rally.)

^ Just to add to this, Palestine Action is being used a bluegeon by the UK government to silence protests.

Same way people say being anti-genocide in Palestine means you support Hamas.

The UK says "You're allowed to protest and be pro-Palestine.... just not a part of any protest that has any connections to Palestine Action!"

When

1. Every single Palestine protest in the country "Has Ties" to Palestine Action.
2. How the fuck do police know whether or not someone is part of Palestine Action by looking at them?

We're getting people including old ladies with "Stop Genocide" signs be arrested by police because of "Potential Ties to Palestine Action"

If you think for one second that it's legit, you've been fooled. It's on par with Trump sending troops into cities to "stop crime" and websites demanding ID scans to "protect kids"

You're falling for propaganda.

So is the UK going to stop giving military assistance to Israel?

If not this is a meaningless gesture. They're actively helping Israel destroy any possibility of a Palestinian state; in fact Netenyahu and his government have made quite clear of their intent on this. And the outcome speaks for itself, with much of Gaza reduced to rubble in addition to the mass death and starvation of Palestinians.