Scenario: you can travel to a universe the person of your choice dies in.

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You have the power of multiverse travel, but it ONLY works if you choose a person beforehand, and when you make the jump, you send your consciousness to a parallel version of yourself in an identical universe except that the person of your choice happens to die at that particular moment.

You're not the cause of their death. You're just sliding into a universe where they die right now. It's not like it's your fault infinite people are dying in infinite ways. And there's no going back either. Further jumps use your current universe as a baseline, and so on.

Is that an immoral power to use?
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What would be the point? How do we know anything about these other universes before travelling to them?

Seems like something youd do, immediately regret it when you end up in a universe with at least one element to it you find disgusting, then just massacre a whole lot of people as you jump around trying to find one that youre happy with.
The power itself isn't immoral; you're just using an inevitability as an anchor. Ditching people who care about you via a method that they will not comprehend seems pretty fucked up though.
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Itd be better if instead we got to see a humorous alternate life for a person we could select with the same outcome you suggested for us.

Id feel more comfortable turning people into different versions of themselves especially if they were terrible to begin with.
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So... I could go to a world where Kim Jung-Un (or some other pos dictator) is gone, and repeat as long as there are horrible people?

And everything else is the same except for the existence of said horrible person?

And I can repeat as desired?

Yes it's immoral, but not for going to worlds where horrible people die, but for having the ultimate life cheat code.

The question is - what happens to the "you" in the universe that you have vacated?
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joaquintall posted...
So... I could go to a world where Kim Jung-Un (or some other pos dictator) is gone, and repeat as long as there are horrible people?

And everything else is the same except for the existence of said horrible person?

And I can repeat as desired?

Yes it's immoral, but not for going to worlds where horrible people die, but for having the ultimate life cheat code.

The question is - what happens to the "you" in the universe that you have vacated?

who knows? you probably die. maybe somebody else using their own multiverse travel power has selected you at that instant.

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If my jumping isn't what causes the death, if they were going to die in that universe anyway and I'm just appearing at the time when it was already going to happen, then no, it isn't immoral. The only thing I'm influencing is whether I exist in that universe or not.
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SydnieStarlight posted...
If my jumping isn't what causes the death, if they were going to die in that universe anyway and I'm just appearing at the time when it was already going to happen, then no, it isn't immoral. The only thing I'm influencing is whether I exist in that universe or not.
No.

Your action set in motion the events that absolutely resulted in someone no longer being alive. You were aware it would happen (and not much else) and proceeded anyway.

Ifs definitely murder even if no one could ever prosecute you.
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divot1338 posted...
No.

Your action set in motion the events that absolutely resulted in someone no longer being alive. You were aware it would happen (and not much else) and proceeded anyway.

Ifs definitely murder even if no one could ever prosecute you.

that's not what it says

OniLink5000 posted...


You're not the cause of their death. You're just sliding into a universe where they die right now.


And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to your span of life?
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interesting question

after thinking about it a bit I'm inclined to say it's immoral yes
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Evening_Dragon posted...
that's not what it says
Was the person alive before you decided to change universes?
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I don't see it as immoral.

With multiverses, everything that can happen does happen. So you would just be sliding into the one where your chosen person happened to drop dead at that moment.

You haven't done anything to make your universe, or the one you slid into, a better place.
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divot1338 posted...
Was the person alive before you decided to change universes?
The person you choose is going to die still, if my understanding of TC's post is correct. This just gives you the option to move to that universe at that moment.
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divot1338 posted...
Was the person alive before you decided to change universes?

Yes, so? This particular version of this person was always going to die at that moment. You aren't causing it; you're booking a permanent trip to the reality where it happens.
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divot1338 posted...
Was the person alive before you decided to change universes?
There are several people that were alive just before I made this post. Are you saying I killed them?
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I'd probably pick an absolute scumbag criminal or fascist head-of-state.
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Solar_Crimson posted...
I'd probably pick an absolute scumbag criminal or fascist head-of-state.

You can do more than that. Especially if you have no problems with the morality.

Let's say you're riding a public bus, and you miss your stop. The bus driver is being a bit of a stickler and he won't let you off until the next stop. You're at a red light. Well god damn. You could wait, get off the bus at the next stop and be a little late for work...

or... and this is not your fault, by the way...

maybe just do a little universe shifting, and maybe end up in a universe where this driver dies at the red light, and you can just get out.
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OniLink5000 posted...
maybe just do a little universe shifting, and maybe end up in a universe where this driver dies at the red light, and you can just get out.
this sort of scenario is why I eventually decided on considering it immoral.

Functionally, it is the same as having a button that undetectably kills any person, which I feel like most people would agree is very immoral to use
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kirbymuncher posted...
this sort of scenario is why I eventually decided on considering it immoral.

Functionally, it is the same as having a button that undetectably kills any person, which I feel like most people would agree is very immoral to use

They would have died anyway. You're definitely not killing them in any way. But I agree that there is an immorality. I think maybe deliberately aligning yourself to benefit from that death might be immoral, even if you are not directly responsible.
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OniLink5000 posted...
You can do more than that. Especially if you have no problems with the morality.

Let's say you're riding a public bus, and you miss your stop. The bus driver is being a bit of a stickler and he won't let you off until the next stop. You're at a red light. Well god damn. You could wait, get off the bus at the next stop and be a little late for work...

or... and this is not your fault, by the way...

maybe just do a little universe shifting, and maybe end up in a universe where this driver dies at the red light, and you can just get out.
Nah, I'd prefer to take out the actually-evil, as opposed to the lazy.
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kirbymuncher posted...
this sort of scenario is why I eventually decided on considering it immoral.

Functionally, it is the same as having a button that undetectably kills any person, which I feel like most people would agree is very immoral to use
It isn't, at all. It finds an event that will happen, and uses to that to anchor your teleportation. The event will occur regardless of what you do.
And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to your span of life?
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