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Ruddager
10/12/2025
08:34 AM
#102
Bruh, Medea Skull is absolutely filthy with Zeus Special, any Attack that inflicts a second curse (or cast that inflicts a curse and a big damage modifier attack), and the Origination card. Everything melts
CyricZ
10/12/2025
09:06 AM
#103
Yeah my only issue with Origination is that "second curses" don't seem as guaranteed as they used to be in Hades I.

I had an Aspect of Medea run that was doing interesting things but I'm unsure if any "Attack" procs even work because you're hitting the enemy, ultimately, with your Special.
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Ruddager
10/12/2025
09:18 AM
#104
Attack procs absolutely work on it, your special hits first then the attack hits right after. Thats why putting Zeus special on it is so good since it applies blitz and once your attack is strong enough it immediately procs the blitz. Then you just slide your finger from attack to special as quickly as you physically can while going back and forth through an enemy (if it even takes more than a single attack to kill them) and watch the health melt away

As for getting second curses you just force it with keepsakes if you dont come across one naturally
CyricZ
10/12/2025
09:58 AM
#105
Speaking of Keepsakes never a thing I've forgotten more often than to hit the Rarify button. It's almost a sad joke at this point. >_>

EDIT: Thought Skyfall sounded broken and then realized you have to be close for it to hit. Like it's still good, but you have to get in danger. You really gotta put your hand in their hand.
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HeroFlyChao
10/12/2025
11:21 AM
#106
CyricZ posted...
I'm so happy that the relationship markers show exactly what the character is looking for so I know what to stock up on.

Kind of a shame that Nectar still isn't all that easy to get hands on so it's going to take time, but I do appreciate that every night I can buy one each of the "secondary" relationship items.

Ive found using rerolls on doors with dust/bones gets a pretty high chance of changing it to a nectar, so doing a run changing a few of those doors can yield a couple nectars at once, then add the one you buy from the broker.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: Between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to Paradise, and, likewise, the road to ruin.
Ruddager
10/12/2025
02:11 PM
#107
Havent seen Artemis or Circe in like 10+ runs and those are the only two waking phrases I still need to get, and the last 2 times I did see Circe she had other dialogue still queued up

In terms of Arcana, are you guys Death gamers (Death Defiances) or Strength gamers (More damage done and less taken with no DD)?
Hayame_Zero
10/12/2025
05:12 PM
#108
And that's my first surface run complete. I steamrolled Typhon, coincidentally with the same weapons as my first underworld win (torches, but this was with Eos.)
...I think I'm done here...
HeroFlyChao
10/12/2025
05:27 PM
#109
Ruddager posted...
Havent seen Artemis or Circe in like 10+ runs and those are the only two waking phrases I still need to get, and the last 2 times I did see Circe she had other dialogue still queued up

In terms of Arcana, are you guys Death gamers (Death Defiances) or Strength gamers (More damage done and less taken with no DD)?

Ive mostly just used strength since I maxed it, damage resists stack really well and makes every point of healing/armor worth more.

Im definitely interested in trying more Death when I can max the card though, I think between the three DDs, familiar, skelly tooth and some boons/perks that refill or give more DDs, theres a case to be made for using them. I think Strength has the slight edge for my play style but there is a lot of perks offered to running Death.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: Between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to Paradise, and, likewise, the road to ruin.
BlazinBlue88
10/12/2025
07:30 PM
#110
CyricZ posted...
Speaking of Keepsakes never a thing I've forgotten more often than to hit the Rarify button. It's almost a sad joke at this point. >_>
Same. I wish they'd make some better indication of it.
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tri-sapphire
10/13/2025
12:40 AM
#111
Ruddager posted...
In terms of Arcana, are you guys Death gamers (Death Defiances) or Strength gamers (More damage done and less taken with no DD)?

I take both about 30% of the time, and just DD the other 70%. Having both definitely saved me a couple times when I was still figuring Typhon out.

Could probably work it out of my sets...and work on actually making my sets coherent to begin with.
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legendarylemur
10/13/2025
12:44 AM
#112
Got the 2nd statue achievement. Still at 8%, which is not bad considering I didn't play early access

I guess most people are just staying at the low Nights and going for the story win? 14 Night Surface was pretty tough, had 1 hit left and somehow just went godmode
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dancing_cactuar
10/13/2025
12:58 AM
#113
Ruddager posted...
Havent seen Artemis or Circe in like 10+ runs and those are the only two waking phrases I still need to get, and the last 2 times I did see Circe she had other dialogue still queued up

In terms of Arcana, are you guys Death gamers (Death Defiances) or Strength gamers (More damage done and less taken with no DD)?
Start off with Strength and let Judgement take me to Death
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KajeI
10/13/2025
08:25 AM
#114
Ruddager posted...
In terms of Arcana, are you guys Death gamers (Death Defiances) or Strength gamers (More damage done and less taken with no DD)?
Strength is my go to. More damage + a ton of survivability is a easy pick.
Look, I can name a few instances in MY life where I tried to reach mutual understanding
and i can TELL you, always faster and easier to just kill em. Just is!
Ruddager
10/13/2025
10:21 AM
#115
KajeI posted...
Strength is my go to. More damage + a ton of survivability is a easy pick.

Yeah I initially fell into the comfort zone of having DD's mostly because I was used to it from Hades 1 but I switched to Strength and it feels better
Ryven
10/13/2025
01:59 PM
#116
Ruddager posted...
Yeah I initially fell into the comfort zone of having DD's mostly because I was used to it from Hades 1 but I switched to Strength and it feels better


I just beat Typhon for the first time NOT using DD's and yeah i was wrecking with Strength. I don't know if i'll ever go back.
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Uta
10/13/2025
03:19 PM
#117
I've heard a few people suggest that at high fear runs the DD becomes more impactful again, but I'm not sure exactly where that line gets drawn. But yes, for most instances of general play Strength is much better.
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CyricZ
10/13/2025
05:02 PM
#118
Oh for some reason I feared the Engraved Pin more than I should have. I thought its effect like took the place of Death Defiance, but it can actually be away to save yourself from losing a Death Defiance.
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Uta
10/13/2025
05:48 PM
#119
CyricZ posted...
Oh for some reason I feared the Engraved Pin more than I should have. I thought its effect like took the place of Death Defiance, but it can actually be away to save yourself from losing a Death Defiance.
I believe it counts as a DD for the purposes of Strength though.
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legendarylemur
10/13/2025
05:50 PM
#120
On surface on high Night lvl, things do too much dmg and your base HP too low for the Strength damage reduction to matter much. You probably want the 3~6 more dmg sponge. The damage might be a bit missed though

The 3rd trophy Night requirement is so high... I forget if I managed to get the 3rd trophy on Hades 1.
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Uta
10/13/2025
05:52 PM
#121
At least Surface Fear requirement is "only" 24 for the 3rd Statue, but yeah 32 Fear for going through the underworld is ridiculously difficult. I'm not sure I'm cut out for it honestly.
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CyricZ
10/13/2025
05:54 PM
#122
Uta posted...
I believe it counts as a DD for the purposes of Strength though.
Yes can confirm.
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Hayame_Zero
10/13/2025
08:17 PM
#123
I only just now ran into Charybdis , and holy crap, I lost two death defiances on that.
...I think I'm done here...
Uta
10/13/2025
08:31 PM
#124
Hayame_Zero posted...
I only just now ran into Charybdis , and holy crap, I lost two death defiances on that.
Worst miniboss in the game by far imo.
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tri-sapphire
10/13/2025
09:27 PM
#125
Hayame_Zero posted...
I only just now ran into Charybdis , and holy crap, I lost two death defiances on that.

First time, I wiped it with no issues.

Second time, its volley caught up with me...

I feel like Melinoe takes more damage than Zagreus did before the temporary invulnerability kicks in. Though it could also be factors like the change in dash recharge time and new attack patterns in Hades II. And I find myself missing the Broken Spearpoint quite a bit.
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BlazinBlue88
10/13/2025
11:48 PM
#126
Uta posted...
Worst miniboss in the game by far imo.
Nah that's the phantom. It should not be able to steal that much health from you with one hit.
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legendarylemur
10/14/2025
03:06 AM
#127
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/587e1f5f.jpg
Well holy crap I did it. I still have a ton of upgrades to go, just wanted to try this for fun and got it in 2 tries.

I... maaay have abused one aspect of this that made it slightly easier. There's a very small gap in which one of the bosses isn't available, which probably saved me a DD or two

Otherwise I took it a bit slow, putting up attack turrets with the staff.

Only the 24 Night for surface left to go
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CyricZ
10/14/2025
07:50 AM
#128
Damn. Good job.
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Hayame_Zero
10/14/2025
01:03 PM
#129
BlazinBlue88 posted...
Nah that's the phantom. It should not be able to steal that much health from you with one hit.

Yes, that one is still the worst. One hit, and the fight nearly starts over.
...I think I'm done here...
Uta
10/14/2025
03:12 PM
#130
I think he only does 7? But he hits insanely fast so it chunks your HP really quick.
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HeroFlyChao
10/14/2025
03:33 PM
#131
Postgame spoilers: how do I befriend Prometheus to advance the epilogue plot line? Is there some way you can give him gifts, or is it just from advancing his dialogue through reaching his fight in runs?
I'll tell you where the real road lies: Between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to Paradise, and, likewise, the road to ruin.
Uta
10/14/2025
03:59 PM
#132
I think it's the latter; which has been quite frustrating Since doing Vow of Rivals or not doing Vow of Rivals changes his dialogue and might have higher prio than his conversation about the fates. I'm not sure what the specific triggers are.
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Ryven
10/14/2025
04:28 PM
#133
So post credits spoiler:

Its great that we can keep fighting 'alternate timeline' typhons and chronos's but......we wouldnt have to if Zagreus would've just done the deed? Way to eff it up Zag.
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CyricZ
10/14/2025
04:33 PM
#134
I'm at 4 down and 1 up. Almost friggin' had 2 up I swear I was right on the line but then I got tired or something and just wasn't dodging the tongue laser properly, which is crap of me because that's the easiest part. Oh well, I got the Nightmare from that run so mission partially accomplished.
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Hayame_Zero
10/15/2025
06:20 PM
#135
6 down and 2 up win total, and my five-run streak was just broken.

I'm told Aspect of Pan is OP, but Prom said otherwise. I even lost a DD to cyclops.
...I think I'm done here...
legendarylemur
10/15/2025
06:54 PM
#136
I feel like most styles are pretty good. I got my 32 Night underworld victory off of a first try weapon. I just choose whatever gives me extra bones and it somehow works out in the end lmao. The one I kinda had trouble making work with the Cast + chain one for staff. I feel like that one is fairly dependent on getting a good Cast setup and it was absolutely trash on higher Nights cuz you have way less access to boons
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HeroFlyChao
10/16/2025
02:54 PM
#137
So, fun fact, Echo can give you a Daedalus hammer if you claimed one as a reward before reaching her room and get the perk that gives you a copy of your last claimed reward.

I ended up with three hammers on that run, plus I got the anvil in the final shop to make it four. If I had thought to equip Icarus keepsake I wouldve had FIVE hammer perks which is just silly, that has to be the maximum, right?
I'll tell you where the real road lies: Between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to Paradise, and, likewise, the road to ruin.
legendarylemur
10/16/2025
03:52 PM
#138
Yes, Echo is probably THE most broken NPC in this entire game.

Her 50% dodge is pretty much a guaranteed win for one thing, the repeat boon can also get completely broken, though it'll be pretty hard to get the hammer into her room. Rule of thumb is that in the large stage with multiple rewards, it's probably prudent to get the hammer at the very end, since the large stage the easiest anyways, and controlling that so you get it last is pretty easy

Meanwhile out of the first 6 Night enhanced rivals, I personally found Scylla's to be by far the hardest. Rest felt a bit manageable
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tri-sapphire
10/17/2025
08:39 AM
#139
legendarylemur posted...
Yes, Echo is probably THE most broken NPC in this entire game.

Her 50% dodge is pretty much a guaranteed win for one thing, the repeat boon can also get completely broken, though it'll be pretty hard to get the hammer into her room. Rule of thumb is that in the large stage with multiple rewards, it's probably prudent to get the hammer at the very end, since the large stage the easiest anyways, and controlling that so you get it last is pretty easy

Meanwhile out of the first 6 Night enhanced rivals, I personally found Scylla's to be by far the hardest. Rest felt a bit manageable

I always seem to have the most trouble with Eris to be honest. Literally just lost 3 DD to her, and will hope for a godsent refill tomorrow when I'm a bit less drunk.

Scylla definitely takes second place though, as both level 3's have lost me less Death Defiances than that one.
"If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed...I must simply laugh!!."- Magus
feraldrgn
10/17/2025
12:50 PM
#140
Ruddager posted...
Havent seen Artemis or Circe in like 10+ runs and those are the only two waking phrases I still need to get, and the last 2 times I did see Circe she had other dialogue still queued up

In terms of Arcana, are you guys Death gamers (Death Defiances) or Strength gamers (More damage done and less taken with no DD)?
I have both equipped so that I have more DD & a stronger last life.
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NoxObscuras
10/17/2025
12:57 PM
#141
Completely forgot about the CE topic until now. Saw it when it first popped up, but I avoided it because I didn't want any spoilers. Finished the epilogue last night though. Now it's just cleaning up the remaining achievements
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legendarylemur
10/17/2025
06:42 PM
#142
tri-sapphire posted...
I always seem to have the most trouble with Eris to be honest. Literally just lost 3 DD to her, and will hope for a godsent refill tomorrow when I'm a bit less drunk.

Scylla definitely takes second place though, as both level 3's have lost me less Death Defiances than that one.
I can definitely see her being the hardest. Some weapons just deal with her chasing laser beam better than others. On my 14 Night Up run, I used the skull that relies on dashing a lot, which put me behind her beams most of the time, thus dodging them. So that's a potential tip, just to always try to get behind her
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CyricZ
10/17/2025
09:11 PM
#143
5 down and 2 up and I can't wait to try out the Black Coat's 4th.
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HeroFlyChao
10/18/2025
09:35 PM
#144
After a streak of like 25 winning runs, I had my first loss in awhile to Vow of Rivals Polyphemus. In my defense I didnt realize until too late that there are fountains to cure the poison effect like
in Hades 1s 4th region, and I was running Strength which doesnt seem to slow the poison damage at all.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: Between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to Paradise, and, likewise, the road to ruin.
YellowSUV
10/18/2025
10:14 PM
#145
Love the vow of rivals for the surface boss

You finally get interesting dialogue in the fight since Chronos is there.
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dancing_cactuar
10/19/2025
12:46 AM
#146
All Testaments for Lim and Oros cleared, and with it, my first W against Vow of Rivals Chronos in the bag.
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Aspect of the Morrigan is pretty fucking good at destroying Charybdis' tentacles where an Omega Attack blood triad can clear a tentacle real quick, too bad she was the featured artist in the second Phase of the fight, hence dealing that much damage.
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Funcoot
10/22/2025
06:36 PM
#147
Finally just beat my first surface run, now I'm at 1 win each, both with the Sister Blades with Aspect of Melinoe. First underworld victory took me until run 30, and the surface victory was run 49, with most runs in between being surface attempts. Finally time to try out some of the other weapons.
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CyricZ
10/22/2025
09:39 PM
#148
6 down and 2 up now.
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dotsdfe
10/23/2025
10:15 PM
#149
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1145350/view/512967793587520047

New patch notes.
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tri-sapphire
10/24/2025
07:47 AM
#150
dotsdfe posted...
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1145350/view/512967793587520047

New patch notes.

That's the launch notes. This is the upcoming patch:

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1145350/view/505090299391902119
"If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed...I must simply laugh!!."- Magus
dotsdfe
10/24/2025
08:03 AM
#151
tri-sapphire posted...
That's the launch notes. This is the upcoming patch:

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1145350/view/505090299391902119

Ah, whoops. I had the right page earlier, then decided to post it here, re-Googled it to grab the link, and must have gone to the wrong page by mistake and just grabbed that link without realizing the mixup.

My bad. I feel silly.
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