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https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/new-china-law-fines-influencers-if-they-discuss-serious-topics-without-a-degree-3275991/

China has officially changed the rules for online creators. As of October 25, influencers in the country must show real-world qualifications before posting about sensitive topics like medicine, law, education, or finance.

The new requirements were introduced by the Cyberspace Administration of China. Platforms including Douyin, Bilibili, and Weibo must now check creators credentials before their content goes live.

Creators talking about regulated subjects need proof, such as a professional license, degree, or certificate. If theyre caught talking about the serious topics, they will face a fine of up to 100,000 yuan, which is about $14,000 USD.

Influencers must clearly cite studies or data when they use them in videos. They also have to label any AI-generated material within their content. Platforms are being told to educate users on responsible sharing as part of the rollout.

If people in the US would stop taking health advice from people paid to get punched in the face, tell jokes on stage, or catch a ball that would be freaking fantastic.
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Sorry, TC, but unless you show proof of a degree in journalism I'm afraid you need to lock this topic or face a $14k fine.
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Sounds good on paper in reality it's another tool to push propaganda, discredit others and control opposition
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how would that not violate the 1st amendment?
WingsOfGood posted...
how would that not violate the 1st amendment?
If you pay the fine you can use the 1st as much as you want.
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I'd definitely like this when it comes to medical. We are drowning in snake oil here lol
tremain07 posted...
Sounds good on paper in reality it's another tool to push propaganda, discredit others and control opposition
I'm on the fence about this one for this reason. Medicine and law especially I'm fine with it but I'd be very suspicious of it in most other fields.
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Considering you can be self taught certain subjects, this seems classist at best.
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I don't trust that law. "Only professionals can talk about X" just sounds like a legal way to say "Only the approved message of the government can be stated. Anything else is illegal."

Putting aside the anti-freedom side for a second, if that law got implimented in the US, the Trump admin would bend over backwards to justify how PragerU and Asmagold are qualified while actual scitentists and experts are lying for money.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I don't trust that law. "Only professionals can talk about X" just sounds like a legal way to say "Only the approved message of the government can be stated. Anything else is illegal."

Putting aside the anti-freedom side for a second, if that law got implimented in the US, the Trump admin would bend over backwards to justify how PragerU and Asmagold are qualified while actual scitentists and experts are lying for money.
If brought to the US the experts can all be decided by several independent executive agency panels that... Oh Trump just fired them all. Nvm.
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Anyone who thinks we should take cues from fucking China about speech is INSANE.
garan posted...
Anyone who thinks we should take cues from fucking China about speech is INSANE.
I guess we can continue doing nothing and keep on having our Healthcare decided by Rfk and other Joe Rogan guests.
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The Chinese government officially promotes woo like TCM and has publicly supported anti-medicine conspiracy theories such as claiming mRNA vaccines don't work as well as traditional vaccines and have dangerous side effects (because they couldn't develop their own one). This is just another law about controlling informatiom to control people's ability to promote narratives the government doesn't want. There will be nothing progressive about it, since the government is extremely conservative.
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Oh boy so with our GOP government Prager U would become the most trusted source on history and education and us normal people wouldnt be allowed to speak out about their bullshit
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Big Chinese W, this should be a standard worldwide.
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This is censorship. And you still wouldn't be able to talk about politics, at all.
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RasterGraphic posted...
Considering you can be self taught certain subjects, this seems classist at best.
Certainly not in law, medicine, or education.
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ssjevot posted...
The Chinese government officially promotes woo like TCM and has publicly supported anti-medicine conspiracy theories such as claiming mRNA vaccines don't work as well as traditional vaccines and have dangerous side effecrs (because they couldn't develop their own one). This is just another law about controlling informatiom to control people's ability to promote narratives the government doesn't want. There will be nothing progressive about it, since the government is extremely conservative.
In the US our politicians tell us to inject bleach, guzzle aquarium cleaner, swallow horse dewormer, and claim that autism is caused both vaccines and Tylenol.

So sure China's law isn't perfect, has obvious glaring issues, and (if copied directly) would be unconstitutional, but surely there must exist some middle ground between government approved speech and a complete grifter playground like the US is.
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WingsOfGood posted...
how would that not violate the 1st amendment?

It won't exist anymore by the time Trump is done.
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Ya...No. The Gov't regulating speech will always be one of the worst things that can happen.
Sandalorn posted...
Ya...No. The Gov't regulating speech will always be one of the worst things that can happen.
The government already regulates speech when it causes harm.
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I would need to look at the actual law to be sure, but my immediate reaction is that this would be bad. Like, I occasionally talk about copyright, not as advice but talking about how it affects my own stuff. Would that get me in trouble under this law?
HighSeraph posted...
The government already regulates speech when it causes harm.


Very disingenuous to equate to this law.
Garioshi posted...
Certainly not in law, medicine, or education.
I think theres a vast middle ground between completely unknowledgeable and professional though.

You cant self teach your way into a law degree, but under Chinas law that means you wouldnt be allowed to post about the legal system at all.

So if Trump is doing his blatantly illegal shit then no online influencer that isnt a certified lawyer would even be able to mention it. This is a tool for censorship.
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How about we get rid of the degree requirement but keep the requirement to cite your sources and label your AI and other manipulated video or images?
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Sandalorn posted...
Very disingenuous to equate to this law.
It's not. I'd say misleading people in regards to healthcare is actually more harmful (both on a personal level and to society as a whole) than the speech we do regulate.

Also TC didn't say "We should copy this law exactly" he said "The US needs something like it"
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Nah, I'm good.

Just make fact checkers more of a thing.
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Slaya4 posted...
Nah, I'm good.

Just make fact checkers more of a thing.
Why not cut out the middleman and force the influencers to fact check themselves?
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I get why one would desire regulation like this, indeed there's a bit of con-artist problem in the influencer space. But I think fucking with first amendment issues is a bit dangerous, especially now.

I think a better idea is to fight fire with fire. Call out the charlatans using social media instead of giving the government power to determine what is and isn't reality.
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I don't know about needing a frickin degree certificate to post something online, but I actually do agree with the two for labeling AI and citing sources. Labeling the AI especially cause so many can't tell them apart
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RasterGraphic posted...
I think a better idea is to fight fire with fire. Call out the charlatans using social media instead of giving the government power to determine what is and isn't reality.
Isn't this something we already do?
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Isn't this something we already do?

Do it ... harder?
Like, other than time investment, IDK what's stopping someone from building a sort of Snopes or Consumer Reports for online influencers.
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RasterGraphic posted...
Do it ... harder?
Like, other than time investment, IDK what's stopping someone from building a sort of Snopes or Consumer Reports for online influencers.
That doesn't work. I tell people which sources are trustworthy but they listen to their liars like its 1984.
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It's unfortunate that this is just more censorship, because it would be great if it were easier to gauge how trustworthy content online is.
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This idea is a pretty good litmus test in terms of what it tells you about the kind of people who support it
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This is the same government who forced a real martial arts champion wear clown makeup because he tried to tell people that Qi isn't a real thing and you cannot hurt someone just by waving your hands in the air and screaming.

I feel like their opinion on who has "real-world qualifications" means basically fuck all and you can do whatever you want as long as your content agrees with the party line.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
This is the same government who forced a real martial arts champion wear clown makeup because he tried to tell people that Qi isn't a real thing and you cannot hurt someone just by waving your hands in the air and screaming.

I feel like their opinion on who has "real-world qualifications" means basically fuck all and you can do whatever you want as long as your content agrees with the party line.
And if this were to come to the US, that's precisely how it would be used by Republicans.
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This is bad. This is how authoritarian governments maintain a stronghold on power.

Now you're probably going to see Trump and the Republicans try to pass this type of law, but only information that has been vetted by PragerU is actually considered "reputable", meanwhile research about how to cut down on the spread of diseases will be flagged as "false propaganda" and the tech companies will go along with it since they can pay to get vaccinated in secret
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andri_g posted...
That doesn't work. I tell people which sources are trustworthy but they listen to their liars like its 1984.

Yes, but you are a (as far as I can surmise) normal individual.

People are more likely to listen to an authoritial source, influencers are that to many people.

A web publication has a better chance of becoming that than an individual.
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tremain07 posted...
Sounds good on paper in reality it's another tool to push propaganda, discredit others and control opposition
The only reasonable position on this
RasterGraphic posted...
People are more likely to listen to an authoritial source, influencers are that to many people.
In that respect, I see more of "listen to my rants" than "listen to the facts." A misinformed influencer will misinform others--that's part of their brand.

And when they are caught blatantly misleading or lying, they cry "It's not illegal! Freedom of speech!"
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Sounds good in theory.

In practice, it would never survive a First Amendment challenge. And even if it did, follow that thought to its conclusion. Would you want, say, RFK Jr. dictating to medical professionals across the country what is and isn't acceptable to say online?
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A_Good_Boy posted...
If you pay the fine you can use the 1st as much as you want.

that would literally be against the freedom of speech plus there is no way what china is doing is in good faith

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Doesn't even sound good in theory because you're relying on the government being both competent, knowledgeable and well intentioned across all these subjects. When did that last happen? None of them are true under the current US government for sure.
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Take another look at Prez' experts. I do not want RFI, jr deciding who gets to post medical opinions.
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HighSeraph posted...
The government already regulates speech when it causes harm.

I have an idea related to this.

If a person knowingly lies to a large number of people (in the thousands to millions range), and that lie demonstratedly causes real harm, then that should be restricted.

But... I'm not certain that's a good idea either. The problem is who gets to define what a 'lie' and 'harm' are...

edit: Actually, I guess that's sort of how slander and libel work, or close to it. That's more about a person's reputation though.
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