Biggest problem with Dexter is it put everything out there (spoilers)

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It was what made the first seasons so great. Dexter was a show that was not afraid to introduce awesome antagonists and then get rid of them. Other shows would realize the gold they struck and delay ever getting rid of a character for as long as possible, but not Dexter. They had a story to tell, and they told it! It was brave, and it made for exciting TV. The Ice Truck Killer, Doakes, the Trinity Killer; great characters that I would have loved to see more of.

The thing is, I think it was great of them to not milk storylines they wanted to wrap up. Doakes not taking 100 seasons to figure out the truth ends up making him look better as a detective like the writers want us to. Still... Doakes' relationship with Dexter was probably top 3, maybe even the best relationship in the show, and him leaving really revealed a large hole where he used to be. They tried to recreate it a few times after, most notably with Quinn, but it never hit the same. The Trinity Killer is cited as the best villain in the show by many (I'd probably give it to the Ice Truck Killer, myself, though), and again, they didn't play around by having him escape somehow as an overarching "big bad" like some shows would have. They let him have his lasting impact, and realized they completed the story they wanted with him. It was time to move on from him.

The issue is, you can only strike gold so many times. Eventually, you are going to find nothing, but silver (if you are lucky to find even that). Creating a protagonist that people truly loved despite his evil nature, and multiple antagonists that kept the viewer intrigued was not an easy task by any means. You can see the "bad" writing already show up as early as season 2 honestly, as well, so it was clear the strengths were in the writing for villains/Dexter himself as well as the internal dialogue for Dexter that gave it that charm it possessed as a constant source of dark humor. If the villains falter as well, then the show clearly will struggle, as we saw often times in the latter half of the show.

In my personal opinion, I actually think it was a mistake to kill the Ice Truck Killer so early. It was the first major diversion from the book, and tbh, I would have preferred to see Brian continue to play out in the show. He was a solid character, and unlike the other major foes to Dexter, I think one could argue there was more that could have played out ultimately between the two without it feeling like it was dragging on. I can't fault the writers for playing their full hand at the time, but it could have helped them out later on.

Other big issue I have with Dexter is after Rita's death, the show creates another big hole with the whole "normal" family plot being thrown out. That was a big part of why Dexter felt special imo, and it becomes a little too depressing compared to the quirky humor it had in the first 4 seasons afterwards.

I actually think Rita dying was probably a mistake. I think they overplayed their hand to create a big shock that they couldn't navigate around afterwards. Would have rather seen Rita and the kids stay with hindsight, but without her death, I'm sure the Trinity Killer would feel less impactful in our minds as a whole, so there would be some sacrifice.
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I think the show was just never as good as we remember it being. Even in S4 which most point to as the best season, there's so much garbage. Nobody gave a shit about the Lageurtia/Batista plotline and so much screentime was devoted to it.
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I really feel like S2 should've been saved for later. The hunt for the butcher and final confrontation with Doakes was just done way too soon. S3 and 4 are still good, but idk. It kinda felt like there would never be higher stakes again.
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I think the show was just never as good as we remember it being. Even in S4 which most point to as the best season, there's so much garbage. Nobody gave a shit about the Lageurtia/Batista plotline and so much screentime was devoted to it.
Tbh, I think season 1 is the best because it's the only season that doesn't have a dedicated part of the plot devoted to a side storyline that gets dropped because no one cared about it, and has overall good-quality writing. It had the advantage of a good foundation with the novel giving it a blueprint of course.

Thinking about it, the supporting cast of Dexter was always among the weaker links of the show imo. Season 4 is fun, but I have to agree that it is a lot worse than what I remembered. How they justified Dexter not killing the Trinity Killer was very weak, and as you mentioned, the side plots were uninteresting. I think Rita getting killed made the season feel extremely impactful which helped our memories of it, but as I said, I actually think the end of season 4 was a mistake in the long run.

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I really feel like S2 should've been saved for later. The hunt for the butcher and final confrontation with Doakes was just done way too soon. S3 and 4 are still good, but idk. It kinda felt like there would never be higher stakes again.
Probably, but it was also respectable that Doakes didn't take forever to find out, and that the show wanted to put its best foot forward.

Doakes being gone was just a major blow to the show long-term, though. Probably could have found a way to push season 2 to at least season 3 without the whole Dexter/Doakes dynamic being played out. Just this once, I could have forgiven a show for trying to milk something too. If only Doakes somehow found a way to make it out alive at the end of season 2; I would have accepted whatever shoddy excuse they came up with.
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I kinda wish they kept Brian around, like in the books. Him and Dex get up to some cool stuff together once theyre open about everything with each other. He even helps with the family!

Also, what happens to Doakes in the books is pretty fucked up and cool they keep him alive, even as disfigured as he gets.
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They blew their load way too quickly and then tried to keep going. Dexter's bodies being discovered? Literally within the first season or two. Doakes getting killed off? Also in the same season.

Same thing with them going for shock value with Rita's death. After that the show never quite picks up until maybe parts of season 7. Then you have the amazing season 8 and even more amazing finale, no other season and finale got the creative meme juices flowing like Dexter's did.

But yeah it goes without saying that quite frankly, the show wasn't actually some high caliber HBO type series, I mean it's Showtime. They just could never manage to have a good B plot. Did anyone care about anyone in Miami PD besides Dex and Deb?
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They blew their load way too quickly and then tried to keep going. Dexter's bodies being discovered? Literally within the first season or two. Doakes getting killed off? Also in the same season.

Same thing with them going for shock value with Rita's death. After that the show never quite picks up until maybe parts of season 7. Then you have the amazing season 8 and even more amazing finale, no other season and finale got the creative meme juices flowing like Dexter's did.

But yeah it goes without saying that quite frankly, the show wasn't actually some high caliber HBO type series, I mean it's Showtime. They just could never manage to have a good B plot. Did anyone care about anyone in Miami PD besides Dex and Deb?

lol this is exactly what the TC is saying makes the show good. Im sorry but I dont need 8 seasons of BS before the bodies get discovered or Doakes finally figures it out.

Get to the point. Something completely lost with modern television.

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Yeah I was agreeing, since that's pretty much what I'd been saying for years after Dexter ended (and even while it was still ongoing). But the thing is Dexter didn't get to the point later on. They went from doing what was done in seasons 1 and 2 and somewhat 4, to reeeeaaally stretching it out.

Dexter would have probably been fondly remembered if it actually had been like, 3 or 4 seasons total.
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I never watched the show past Rita's death. The next season picked up and I just ignored the series. I have no clue what happens after, and I don't want to know.
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Remember when they legit tried to have an incest plotline with Debbie

... huh. Stupid plotline aside, it wasn't until you said it that I decided to check the timeline there. That season came out right after s1 game of thrones. You don't think the writers or whatever were inspired to do that stupid story line because of GoT popularity did they? Like they had just finished watching the first season or something?
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DarthEnvoy posted...
I really feel like S2 should've been saved for later. The hunt for the butcher and final confrontation with Doakes was just done way too soon. S3 and 4 are still good, but idk. It kinda felt like there would never be higher stakes again.

This. They blew the "omg he's almost caught!" load way too early.
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TC it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too
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The problem with Showtime compared to HBO is their refusal to let a successful show end on its own terms

every good showtime show runs at least 3 seasons too long
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I think the biggest mistake was letting the show go on too long. Season five was the perfect chance for Deb to find out about Dexter and then have one more season to deal with the aftermath. Season five ended with that stupid plastic sheet being the only thing keeping Deb from seeing Dexter.

Just get rid of that sheet and have Deb find out then. All of the stars has one year left on their contracts, so it would have been so easy to end it after six. Instead they extended it two more bad seasons.

EpicMickeyDrew posted...
TC it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too
Yeah, kinda.

I respect Dexter for not milking things, but by letting all the good characters die so quickly, it caused a lot of issues on the backend.

I was writing my post around the assumption that the show had to be 8 seasons no matter what, and they could have tried to make it better by extending things a bit, and sacrificing some of the quality of the early seasons.

In truth, the real solution is, as others said, end it earlier so they can play all their cards and not suffer from dragging it too long. Thinking about seasons 5-8, and I have to agree, I think you could have made that 2 seasons instead. Don't know if we really needed two seasons just to set up LaGuerta being the antagonist and Debra finding out. I actually think season 7 is good, but it is surrounded by so much bad, that it probably drags season 7 down just by being associated with them.
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