At what point did you stop being on Walt's side? *Breaking Bad spoilers*

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Very early on in season one. He had some good moments but the ego was too annoying and he was never the star of the show for me.
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I was never on his side at all
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boxoto posted...
probably when he tried to hook up with the principal after he found out Skyler had sex with Ted.

super cringe.
He also tried to rape Skyler before this and I think it might be a bigger deal.
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sorry, I haven't seen that part since it first aired so I almost forgot about it, and I wasn't thinking about it until your post.

but yea...
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The moment he turned down the job it was clear that it was all about his ego

It just took him the entire series to finally admit that the entire time, he was just thrill-seeking. All of the "I need money for my family" was just bullshit, because if he really cared for his family, he wouldn't have gotten involved with dangerous drug kingpins

But I would say there were two points where you really started to root *against* him, not just *not root for him*, and they are:

-Letting Jane die
-Poisoning Brock

A lot of the other stuff he did in the series you *could* just chalk up to him being in the dark world of drug trafficking and acting out of self-preservation (even something like having Jesse kill Gale Boetticher could be argued as trying to just protect himself from Gus), but those were two things where he *really* went over the line IMO
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Man I forgot about him poisoning Brock. Yeah that is a step too far
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Poisoning Brock IMO is when you really start to realize that he's complete and utter piece of shit

Before poisoning Brock you could kind of argue that he was just a guy in over his head trying to protect himself from ruthless drug kingpins and their enforcers, but poisoning Brock was clearly a power grab and it was when I really started rooting against him.

In fact, Walt became such a piece of shit that the only types of people who could make you want to root for him *at all* were literal Nazis. Jack and Todd were about the only people that could be so horrible that you even rooted for *Walt* to kill them at the end
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emblem-man posted...
I remember thinking "you should probably stop" around the time he got offered his old research job with high pay and good insurance.

How early in the series was that?

This. He was given an out, one which he more than deserved, and said fuck it and wanted to have an exciting end to his life instead.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
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Sandalorn posted...
I just enjoyed the story but was never "rooting" for any of them.
I was rooting for Walt Jr


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Evolician posted...
I was rooting for Walt Jr

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His speech to the high school students bout the plane crash. Hes such a long winded annoying bullshiter
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It becomes earlier and earlier on each rewatch. But on my first viewing, probably when he let Jane die.

You could say Jane blackmailed him, but she only did that because Walt refused to pay Jesse's share in the first place. IIRC, it was the first time someone not "in the game" died or got hurt as a direct result of Walt's actions.
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poisoning the child. I don't remember if he did it for real or used something with similar side effects to fuck with Jesse ... but I recall that was the point where he went too far for me.

Edit: actually, probably raping his wife trumps that.
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It's weird - as a teacher now, a part of me wonders if Walt would've gone down the path he did if he were teaching in a school that offered rigorous AP classes and advanced stuff. If he were given 3 sections of AP Chemistry and had students that he could coach on high-level research projects and get them to win prestigious awards and go to top-tier universities, I wonder if he would've found more fulfillment in his job. A big part of why his ego was so damaged wasn't just because he didn't have the wealth that Gretchen and Elliot did, but because of how underemployed he was - he was a poorly-paid teacher at a school which couldn't seem to make use of the intellect that he had.

If the dude had found some magnet school and helped a couple kids go on to do meaningful Chemistry research, maybe he wouldn't have gone off the deep end, and he would've accepted Gretchen and Elliott's help.
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SSj4Wingzero posted...
It's weird - as a teacher now, a part of me wonders if Walt would've gone down the path he did if he were teaching in a school that offered rigorous AP classes and advanced stuff. If he were given 3 sections of AP Chemistry and had students that he could coach on high-level research projects and get them to win prestigious awards and go to top-tier universities, I wonder if he would've found more fulfillment in his job.
Nope. That'd just piss him off more I think.
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As bad as Walt is, Skylar is and will always be worse. To make him a cuck is despicable.
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I was never on Walter's side. Personally for me the thrill of watching Breaking Bad was more in seeing how far things would escalate and where they would go than "cheering" for any specific character (they're all pretty awful people after all).
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When he attacked Skyler and Jr protected the family from him. He did so many awful things before then and was clearly a terrible person, but I still rooted for him if only to see how far he could go. But that was a hard scene to watch.
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xMythic posted...
When he attacked Skyler and Jr protected the family from him. He did so many awful things before then and was clearly a terrible person, but I still rooted for him if only to see how far he could go. But that was a hard scene to watch.

I get it. For the most part, whenever Walt is doing something fucked up or evil, he manages to either look "cool" or cold, ruthless, and calculating.

That scene is one of the few times where Walt doesn't come across as anything other than an unlikable, pathetic bastard.
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The moment he decided to refuse a legal avenue to solving his problems was the moment I stopped being on his side. That's when it became clear it wasn't about taking care of his family, it was about his ego.

But I don't need to be on the protagonist's side to enjoy watching their descent into criminal endeavors. It's entertaining.
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pegusus123456 posted...
Nope. That'd just piss him off more I think.
Absolutely.

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when he was really offered the money from his old company and get the help he need without any crime or violence, he chose to be bitter and butt hurt and went all ego crazy. then i was like oh, this guy is a psychopath isn't he
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SauI_Goodman posted...
As bad as Walt is, Skylar is and will always be worse. To make him a cuck is despicable.
Unfaithfulness is worse than drug dealing and cold blooded murder?
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Garioshi posted...
When he rejected a good-paying job with excellent healthcare purely because he felt it was an insult to him.

^ Hey now that's completely unfair!
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skylar isnt worse than Walter but she loses a lot of respect points for smoking while pregnant
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When he, as the largest White family member, did not simply eat the other five.

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reincarnator07 posted...
Unfaithfulness is worse than drug dealing and cold blooded murder?
Not to mention, it's only arguably unfaithful since she signed divorce papers and was begging him to break up but Walt refused and intimidated/blackmailed her.

This is after he tried to rape her and before he tried to fuck another woman.

There is no "Skylar is actually the bad guy/worse" that isn't seeped in misogyny
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Not to mention, it's only arguably unfaithful since she signed divorce papers and was begging him to break up but Walt refused and intimidated/blackmailed her.

This is after he tried to rape her and before he tried to fuck another woman.

There is no "Skylar is actually the bad guy/worse" that isn't seeped in misogyny
100% this. I feel the show is mostly framed from Walt's point of view. To Walt, she's an unloving wife who can't give him what he really wants (pure ego) that eventually takes his family away from him.

In reality, she's an abused housewife who is rightfully scared when she finds out her husband is dying, then further terrified when she finds out that he's a meth cook, dealer, distributer, murderer, and drug kingpin. She fears it'll come back to her and the family (which it does) and wants to get herself and her children out of such a dangerous situation. Real women have been blamed for staying in far less dangerous situations, so it's insane that she's painted as the bad guy despite all she goes through.

I don't think it's spoken about how unfortunately accurate Skylar is as a depiction of a victim of abuse. Walt very rarely uses physical force, but is emotionally manipulative, intimidating and gaslighting basically from episode 1. A lot of abuse is not physical, but the scars left are just as deep.
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reincarnator07 posted...
I don't think it's spoken about how unfortunately accurate Skylar is as a depiction of a victim of abuse. Walt very rarely uses physical force, but is emotionally manipulative, intimidating and gaslighting basically from episode 1. A lot of abuse is not physical, but the scars left are just as deep.
It's almost like Breaking Bad is a story about how meth tears families apart and ruins lives, or something.
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NCloud posted...
Sorry, this isn't allowed. We have to pretend to be professional critics and insist that we've never been able to understand why anyone would dislike Skyler more than Walt (after having seen this same boring opinion on Reddit or YouTube circa 2015, and despite having hated her whilst watching the show ourselves).
What a disingenuous post
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A_Good_Boy posted...
It's almost like Breaking Bad is a story about how meth tears families apart and ruins lives, or something.
I think its a story about how you shouldnt fuck Ted.
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Sundercles posted...
I think its a story about how you shouldnt fuck Ted.
Definitely wouldn't have happened if the whole meth thing didn't happen first.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Definitely wouldn't have happened if the whole meth thing didn't happen first.
Good point. Meth leads directly to fucking Ted.
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A_Good_Boy posted...
It's almost like Breaking Bad is a story about how meth tears families apart and ruins lives, or something.
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Breaking Bad for all its tropes holds a mirror up to America
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NCloud posted...
Sorry, this isn't allowed. We have to pretend to be professional critics and insist that we've never been able to understand why anyone would dislike Skyler more than Walt (after having seen this same boring opinion on Reddit or YouTube circa 2015, and despite having hated her whilst watching the show ourselves).
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NCloud posted...
Sir, this is a topic about Breaking Bad.
I don't give a single goddamn fuck, Trumper
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NCloud posted...
You should. Your only posts in this topic are these weird posts (which are also inaccurate) aimed at me. It's disrespectful to the TC and everyone else looking to discuss Breaking Bad which, to be clear, is why this topic exists.
Something tells me no one here takes issue with me telling a Trumper to shut the fuck up
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I was never on his side, but I enjoyed watching him do his crazy shit. I didnt want to see him kill his family or anything like that though.
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Garioshi posted...
When he rejected a good-paying job with excellent healthcare purely because he felt it was an insult to him.

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Honsstly Walt is loathsome from the get go.

remember when he refuses Elliots offer out of nothing but pride?
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emblem-man posted...
I remember thinking "you should probably stop" around the time he got offered his old research job with high pay and good insurance.

Pretty much spot on. It makes it clear he's not the good guy.
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