Why not just start seeding planets with life?

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Yea yea finding alien life is great and all but if we been to the moon and mars and know it isn't there just start shooting warheads full of goop of bacteria and other micro organisms then later we check up on them and maybe eventually they evolve and we made our OWN aliens in the image of man fucking kind and in no way will this come back to bite us no way I know this is a great idea and
evolution isn't quick, i guess you could check back in a couple million years to see if something developed from all that bacteria.
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monkmith posted...
evolution isn't quick, i guess you could check back in a couple million years to see if something developed from all that bacteria.

That is why you need to start asap
There's no benefit to justify the cost.
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the moon and Mars don't have the environments to nurture life, as far as I know.

if you could find a planet or moon with earth-like conditions, it might be different.
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__starsnostars posted...
There's no benefit to justify the cost.
Somebody would have to eat the cost and turn it into a contest

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boxoto posted...
the moon and Mars don't have the environments to nurture life, as far as I know.

if you could find a planet or moon with earth-like conditions, it might be different.

Pessimist, Elon said he could create a colony on Mars, and I implicitly believe him.

He should go right now, to prove you wrong.

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Even the simplest lifeforms would need a livable environment to get that ball rolling. You can't just fire a couple million tons of manure at the moon and expect it to turn that airless rock into a rainforest in a couple billion years or something like that.
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Mussurana posted...
Pessimist, Elon said he could create a colony on Mars, and I implicitly believe him.

He should go right now, to prove you wrong.

All of his rockets are 100% safe, especially the Xplodatron 9000 prepared for his historic mission.

He is having another baby tantrum, telling Tesla to make him a trillionaire or he will leave. He needs to be forced to spend his money on something that will actually deplete it.
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WingsOfGood posted...
Yea yea finding alien life is great and all but if we been to the moon and mars and know it isn't there just start shooting warheads full of goop of bacteria and other micro organisms then later we check up on them and maybe eventually they evolve and we made our OWN aliens in the image of man fucking kind and in no way will this come back to bite us no way I know this is a great idea and

Everything we know about biology tells us that liquid water is necessary for life. It is actually the only thing that is mandatory. Everything else is negotiable, including things like atmospheric oxygen. Liquid water is not.

Guess what Earth has a lot of that other planets have zero of?
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If we had the technology to seed life on alien worlds then we'd have the technology to either do it here on Earth or fix our own environment.
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Shadowbird_RH posted...
Even the simplest lifeforms would need a livable environment to get that ball rolling. You can't just fire a couple million tons of manure at the moon and expect it to turn that airless rock into a rainforest in a couple billion years or something like that.

Well... about that...

A whole bunch of microbes might be what you need to get a breathable (by our standards) atmosphere.

One of the first mass extinctions here, was because of that disgusting, corrosive, toxic, gas, oxygen.
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boxoto posted...
the moon and Mars don't have the environments to nurture life, as far as I know.

if you could find a planet or moon with earth-like conditions, it might be different.
theoretically you could heat up mars with enough nukes, build up enough of an atmosphere you could support life. alternatively you could maybe seed microbial life into the upper atmosphere of venus, a planet that might actually be a more realistic colony choice if you're willing to try the cloud city approach.
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Mussurana posted...
Well... about that...

A whole bunch of microbes might be what you need to get a breathable (by our standards) atmosphere.

One of the first mass extinctions here, was because of that disgusting, corrosive, toxic, gas, oxygen.

Again, wheres the water?
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suchiuomizu posted...
Again, wheres the water?
I've played Planet Crafter, all you have to do is start building a ton of drills and furnaces and the water will appear
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monkmith posted...
theoretically you could heat up mars with enough nukes, build up enough of an atmosphere you could support life. alternatively you could maybe seed microbial life into the upper atmosphere of venus, a planet that might actually be a more realistic colony choice if you're willing to try the cloud city approach.
hmm, interesting
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suchiuomizu posted...
Again, wheres the water?

I have heard of decent quantities on various Gas Giant moons.

Not going to lie, not in the mood for research tonight. Arguably potential water resources on various bodies?

Not that this isn't all incredibly challenging, requiring enormous investment in tech, time, resources, and possibly critically political will.

Nb. If Mega Corporations continue to grow, the economic and resource throw weight we traditionally assign to nation states, might in time default to them.
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I don't think there'd be too much benefit here, as others have stated

But I think it's also relevant to point out that not only do we not currently intentionally do this, we make significant efforts to not do it. probes, landers, etc undergo pretty serious decontamination procedures to try and prevent accidentally bringing microbes and spores and stuff to other planets
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kirbymuncher posted...
I don't think there'd be too much benefit here, as others have stated

But I think it's also relevant to point out that not only do we not currently intentionally do this, we make significant efforts to not do it. probes, landers, etc undergo pretty serious decontamination procedures to try and prevent accidentally bringing microbes and spores and stuff to other planets

That's all very important.

Imagine getting all excited about your new life find on a previously thought sterile planet, only to find it came from a sweaty mechanic for your own craft!

Yes, yes, we've done that already.

Fun times.
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WingsOfGood posted...
just start shooting warheads full of goop
Keep it in your pants, Earth.

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monkmith posted...
theoretically you could heat up mars with enough nukes

No you can't. Even if you had more nukes than the Earth is capable of producing, nukes are destructive to the atmosphere. Nukes might help up to a point, after a while, you're just creating a vacuum full of radiation.

boxoto posted...
build up enough of an atmosphere you could support life.

This is what you'd need to do, however, there's no realistic way of doing this. There's not many unrealistic ways of doing it either. Without a thick atmosphere, though, you make getting liquid water very difficult and no further terra forming is possible.

monkmith posted...
alternatively you could maybe seed microbial life into the upper atmosphere of venus, a planet that might actually be a more realistic colony choice if you're willing to try the cloud city approach.

Venus is a non starter discussion. If you want a floating city, you'll have to do it in orbit.

Mussurana posted...
Not going to lie, not in the mood for research tonight. Arguably potential water resources on various bodies?

Water is everywhere. That's not the problem. Water is on mars. It's on the moon. Pluto is basically 100% water.

The problem is that it's all frozen. That's not helpful.
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Flip that hypothesis around and answer your own question.

How would you feel if aliens sent some device to Earth that gestated flora and fauna from its world here?
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Water is everywhere. That's not the problem. Water is on mars. It's on the moon. Pluto is basically 100% water.

The problem is that it's all frozen. That's not helpful.

Potentially fine as a base resource.

Fine, as in barely an inconvenience, compared to all the other issues involved in such an endeavour anyway.
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Nope.

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Mussurana posted...
Potentially fine as a base resource.

Fine, as in barely an inconvenience, compared to all the other issues involved in such an endeavour anyway.

I mean it's the single biggest block to seeding life. Things only get more difficult when you start talking about trying to send people to those planets. By restricting this exercise to unmanned craft and something like bacterial endospores, assuming unlimited resources making this strictly an engineering problem, the water is your stopping point.
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divot1338 posted...
Flip that hypothesis around and answer your own question.

How would you feel if aliens sent some device to Earth that gestated flora and fauna from its world here?

what if they did and you exist cause some alien blew their snot on a rag?
WingsOfGood posted...
what if they did and you exist cause some alien blew their snot on a rag?
Well Id be for that.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I mean it's the single biggest block to seeding life. Things only get more difficult when you start talking about trying to send people to those planets. By restricting this exercise to unmanned craft and something like bacterial endospores, assuming unlimited resources making this strictly an engineering problem, the water is your stopping point.

Sure, but assuming you solved all that engineering shit (a lot of assuming).

All of that tech has heat as a by product of work done, and assuming you landed on an ice cap (be an idiot not to), you will be producing a great deal of waste heat from your day to day operations (aka your reactor, and all of your machines) to produce water from that cap.

No doubt many many difficult hoops to navigate, but water supply isn't necessarily one of them.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No you can't. Even if you had more nukes than the Earth is capable of producing, nukes are destructive to the atmosphere. Nukes might help up to a point, after a while, you're just creating a vacuum full of radiation.
eh, if you're already at the point of moving that many nukes to mars then you're also at the point you can mine other planets for the needed resources.

Tyranthraxus posted...
Venus is a non starter discussion. If you want a floating city, you'll have to do it in orbit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Altitude_Venus_Operational_Concept

it honestly makes more sense then trying to terraform mars into something livable.
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I think it would be neat to have a base on a planet like Jupiter or Saturn with no solid surface.

We could just move it around within the inside of the planet. It would be very interesting right up until everyone dies.
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monkmith posted...
theoretically you could heat up mars with enough nukes, build up enough of an atmosphere you could support life. alternatively you could maybe seed microbial life into the upper atmosphere of venus, a planet that might actually be a more realistic colony choice if you're willing to try the cloud city approach.
It would be short term. Mars core is dead or is weak meaning what ever you atmosphere you build will evaporate over time.

Venus it have to be blimps.
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WingsOfGood posted...
Yea yea finding alien life is great and all but if we been to the moon and mars and know it isn't there

Ummm, scientists have never been so excited about Mars than right now. They've found evidence, they just need to get the evidence back to Earth to do proper testing on it. We may actually have found life on Mars.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The problem is that it's all frozen. That's not helpful.
a couple of hair dryers set on high should do the trick.
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divot1338 posted...
Jupiter

Jupiter has hostile radiation that makes it nearly impossible for spacecrafts to even get near it. If it were a little bigger, it would be a Brown Dwarf Star.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Jupiter has hostile radiation that makes it nearly impossible for spacecrafts to even get near it. If it were a little bigger, it would be a Brown Dwarf Star.

sounds like a good reason to declare war then

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Tyranthraxus posted...
Jupiter has hostile radiation that makes it nearly impossible for spacecrafts to even get near it. If it were a little bigger, it would be a Brown Dwarf Star.
I would like to see the inside of one of those.

Briefly.
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Yeah sure why stop at fucking up Earth's ecosystems when we can also be ruining the natural balance of other planets too
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"natural balance" aka a bunch of rocks

We would harm our own future geologic/historic/archeological (or whatever the term for this is that doesn't mean specifically humans) missions by potential contamination but in terms of "destroying" the ecosystem of the planet, it is hard to imagine them getting much worse in any way
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more like seeded your mom with life ayy lmao
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Everything we know about biology tells us that liquid water is necessary for life. It is actually the only thing that is mandatory. Everything else is negotiable, including things like atmospheric oxygen. Liquid water is not.

Guess what Earth has a lot of that other planets have zero of?
In our solar system. But we have detected planets with water in other systems. We even apparently found an ocean planet. Not sure how they can tell but I heard it supposedly has zero land. Just an entire world of ocean
Mars no longer has a magnetic field, so it can't keep it's atmosphere
rodu_jr posted...
Mars no longer has a magnetic field, so it can't keep it's atmosphere
Is it possible to make it have a new magnetic field? Can we create one?
Zikten posted...
Is it possible to make it have a new magnetic field? Can we create one?
It's core cooled and solidified long ago. Maybe it's not big enough to keep it's core active
Zikten posted...
Is it possible to make it have a new magnetic field? Can we create one?

The sheer amount of energy that would be needed to get Mars core going again is just insane, even if we had the technology to be able to do it.
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Venus has an atmosphere and no magnetic field so it's not a true necessity, and plus even if it was it's not like the lack of a field makes the atmosphere instantly disappear. if earth's magnetic field suddenly disappeared there would likely be no significant effect on the atmosphere at all

I think the more concerning part about living on mars with lack of magnetic field is direct impact of solar radiation on the beings themselves

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We should leave clues in their genetic code so that they have to work together to eventually realize the truth

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Zikten posted...
Is it possible to make it have a new magnetic field? Can we create one?
https://medium.com/our-space/an-artificial-martian -magnetosphere-fd3803ea600c

i've heard this idea before but know very little about it, first thing i could find that might go into detail about it if you're willing to read all that.
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Mussurana posted...
Pessimist, Elon said he could create a colony on Mars, and I implicitly believe him.

He should go right now, to prove you wrong.

All of his rockets are 100% safe, especially the Xplodatron 9000 prepared for his historic mission.


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