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Re-uploaded, since SOMEONE was upset last time.

While we're at it, let's go ahead and turn this topic into a Mass Effect discussion board.
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Ashley.

I don't know why, but Kaiden just always felt so generic. Not that I found Ashley much better in that regard, but it wasn't as bad.
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Kaiden, though I kinda dislike both.
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Kaidan is a much better and useful teammate. Biotic and all.
Kaiden could've used a better voice actor, along with some more interesting traits. Like I wasn't all that impressed with Carth (same voice actor) either from the Knights of the Old Republic games.
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Ashleys beliefs make for an interesting and real character. Kaiden is very meh. Only character I dont remember much of his backstory except for tortured biotic user?
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I always save Kaiden just because he's a Sentinel. Ashley's pretty useless as a generic Soldier, and she's also turbo racist. Kaiden's a boring as hell character, but eh, at least he's not racist.
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Ashleys beliefs make for an interesting and real character. Kaiden is very meh. Only character I dont remember much of his backstory except for tortured biotic user?
In 3 he was basically "I've been bi the whole time btw".
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ShaneMcComez posted...
Kaiden could've used a better voice actor, along with some more interesting traits. Like I wasn't all that impressed with Carth (same voice actor) either from the Knights of the Old Republic games.
I love that they were aware enough of the complaints about Carth that at one point, Kaidan tells you something along the lines of "I didn't want you to think, I was, you know...a whiner."

I'm 50/50. Sometimes Ash, sometimes Kaidan.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
In 3 he was basically "I've been bi the whole time btw".
Probably every gay Shep player: What the hell man?!

But that begs that question. For those who romanced him in 3, does he say why he kept that part of himself from us, especially in the distant future?
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Definitely Ashley because of her character arc.

I've never done it ('cause I can't bring myself to play Renegade) but can she stay racist? Like if you never tell her to stop or whatever. Or is it like Pressley and just being part of the mission reshapes her views later.

I don't have a problem with how they did her character and I get there's limitations (especially with a character that might not be there in everyone's game) but it might've been neat if she ended up working at Cerberus if she didn't overcome her racism.
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Ashley was a space racist.

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Idc for either personality or story wise but Kaiden is easily one of the best squad mates in Mass Effect 3.
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Kaiden, Ashley is a racist
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AndyReklaw posted...
Definitely Ashley because of her character arc.

I've never done it ('cause I can't bring myself to play Renegade) but can she stay racist? Like if you never tell her to stop or whatever. Or is it like Pressley and just being part of the mission reshapes her views later.

I don't have a problem with how they did her character and I get there's limitations (especially with a character that might not be there in everyone's game) but it might've been neat if she ended up working at Cerberus if she didn't overcome her racism.
While that would've been an interesting playthrough, Ashley loses her racism by ME2. The extreme racism of Cerberus was enough to make her go "that's going TOO far".
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
While that would've been an interesting playthrough, Ashley loses her racism by ME2. The extreme racism of Cerberus was enough to make her go "that's going TOO far".
Which is funny, because both Miranda and Jacob are more tolerant than she was.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Which is funny, because both Miranda and Jacob are more tolerant than she was.
I personally think the softer side of Cerberus we were seeing in ME2 was just a front put up by The Illusive Man in order to keep Shepard from noping out of there. Shepard is a very charismatic individual, and saved everyone from certain death, so I think that's what got the crew working under them to stop being racist.
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Dungeater posted...
Kaiden, Ashley is a racist

Meanwhile Garrus and Wrex in the corner: >__>

Like, seriously, people sleep on how racist the non-human squadmates can get at times lol
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Ivynn posted...
Meanwhile Garrus and Wrex in the corner: >__>

Like, seriously, people sleep on how racist the non-human squadmates can get at times lol
Tbf, Turians are just natural assholes, so their attitude can be mistaken for racism. And Krogans have a giant chip on their shoulders due to the genophage.
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My one playthrough, I just chose as logically as I could. I forget the details of it, but like, I sent the one with the better stats to the more combat-like position and etc.

Anyway, Ashley is racist but she is at least not the most generic character of all time.
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Ivynn posted...
Meanwhile Garrus and Wrex in the corner: >__>

Like, seriously, people sleep on how racist the non-human squadmates can get at times lol
i dont use garrus or wrex either

the thread is about kaiden and ashley
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Dungeater posted...
i dont use garrus
What?! Garrus is one of the coolest characters in gaming let alone Mass Effect.
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AndyReklaw posted...
What?! Garrus is one of the coolest characters in gaming let alone Mass Effect.
he's fine, he's just boring to me for w/e reason. i use him in me1 cuz theres so few party members but not so much in 2 and 3
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Ashley

Both suck and I never use either and she's a piece of shit racist but at least she's not Carth
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Dungeater posted...
i dont use garrus or wrex either

the thread is about kaiden and ashley

That just leaves Liara and Tali.

Which if you play Soldier or Vanguard, is still a balanced team so eh.
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Ivynn posted...
That just leaves Liara and Tali.

Which if you play Soldier or Vanguard, is still a balanced team so eh.
ill use wrex and garrus in 1, i also dont pay attention to balance
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Ashley. Yes she is racist at first but she will have a change of heart in later games if you build a good relationship with her.
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Dungeater posted...
i dont use garrus or wrex either


Garrus is pretty much an I-Win button in ME3.

vigorm0rtis posted...
Garrus is pretty much an I-Win button in ME3.
you can build Ashley very similarly and run both of them and do pretty much nothing. i think she gets one less perk that boosts her damage, but she's very good at doing the same AR spam as Garrus
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But my favorite party is actually Ashley/Kaiden, just because whenever you talk to them, they always say opposite things.

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vigorm0rtis posted...
Garrus is pretty much an I-Win button in ME3.
thats fine id rather be with characters i like. the games were already easy enough to 1 man army thru
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ashley sucks even without the racism
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I always forget that Kaiden is even in the game. Never use him in my party and send him straight to his death. Couldn't tell you a single thing about the man. The idea that he could even be a character in the other games never even crosses my mind.
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Kaiden is both a better character and a better squadmate
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Pretty sure I saved Ashley the couple times I played through, but literally never used either Ashley or Kaiden on my team unless there was nobody else to pick yet.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Kaiden, though I kinda dislike both.


Same. Kaidan at least has a useful power set in 3 but I still rarely use either of them.
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
Skyrim and Mass Effect are the only two games I'll return to every few years. However, with ME, I'll only use QoL mods.

Same, I do at least one playthrough of Mass Effect trilogy every year. Skyrim I haven't played in 2025 yet. I think the scouring hours for mods, painstakingly downloading them and setting up the load order, only to play for like 2 or 3 hours then take another months long break is starting to get to me lol. ME needs no mods, it is perfection.
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Always save Ash. Kaiden's VA just grinds my gears.
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
Tbf, Turians are just natural assholes, so their attitude can be mistaken for racism. And Krogans have a giant chip on their shoulders due to the genophage.
Ashley has a chip on her shoulder due to the military blaming her grandfather because he surrendered his garrison when the Turians attacked Shanxi.

And then they blacklisted her father and her because they were related to him, but what else was the guy supposed to do? The fleet in-system had been destroyed, he didn't know if there was any relief coming, and anytime he sent troops out to gather supplies, the Turians targeted them from orbit, even if they were near civilians.
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you can tell who never paid attention to ashley's arc past me1 in this topic

considering even before the end of me1, she calls out a political extremist that is very racist in an endgame side quest, and absolutely refuses to work with a terrorist racist group in ME2

if you romanceher in 1 then tali in 2 and stick with tali in 3, she literally the only girl she's okay you left her for and calls her a little sister
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Biofighter55 posted...
you can tell who never paid attention to ashley's arc past me1 in this topic
Hard to pay attention to a characters arc when theyre already a corpse.
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Biofighter55 posted...
you can tell who never paid attention to ashley's arc past me1 in this topic

considering even before the end of me1, she calls out a political extremist that is very racist in an endgame side quest, and absolutely refuses to work with a terrorist racist group in ME2

if you romanceher in 1 then tali in 2 and stick with tali in 3, she literally the only girl she's okay you left her for and calls her a little sister

And she hooks up with James, which I think is a nice little thing for both those characters.
Kaidan.

Ashley being mildly better personality-wise doesn't excuse her being aggressively worse gameplay-wise.

This trend holds in ME3 as well.
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