From: Biolizard28 | #011
Mei Ling made up for her shortcomings in MGO.
You want to play this game normally?
Have some artillery.
From: GranzonEx | #012
He doesn't rise up to the occasion
It's hard to care for someone that has nothing to lose.
From: LeonhartFour | #015
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Now that's flat out not true.
The friggin' microwave scene is the ultimate "Rise up to the occasion" moment.
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Well, other than the concern that the mutating FOXDIE within him is basically going to make him a weapon of mass destruction.
From: GranzonEx | #018
The microwave scene wasn't very moving for me. The only reason HE had to get through it was because he had nothing to lose. He had no reason to be involved in this Patriot mess.
From: SuperAngelo128 | #022
short answer:
because everyone wanted to play Solid Snake one last time before the series ended
From: LeonhartFour | #023
But he did it for the sake of Raiden, who did have a lot to lose. And really, Snake isn't doing any of this for himself because he doesn't have much of a future. He does it out of a sense of obligation for those who come after him, which is admirable.
From: DeathChicken | #025
Campbell's kind of a jackass too, really. 'Snake, I love you and you're my best pal. Now get in there and do this insane suicide mission, because you're the only one who can.'
From: LeonhartFour | #026
You can argue that the presentation could've been better, and I won't really disagree. I think MGS4 would've been better if Snake had actually died at the end. Everything leading up to the game was building up to it, and then it seemed like Kojima wimped out.
Campbell drags Snake back into this mess because he trusts Snake more than anyone, and he knows he can rely on him to get the job done. Even at his old age, he was still the man who made the impossible possible.
I don't know if "You know he doesn't die from that" is really a valid argument in the first place. Using that argument, you could diminish nearly every "heroic" scene from any game where the hero doesn't die. It doesn't matter if
you
know he's not going to die. The point is that nobody in the game knew that.
From: LeonhartFour | #028
Solid Snake honestly isn't the main focus on MGS4. He's the main character, but I'd argue that Ocelot takes more of the central role in the game, personally.
And really, you can probably ultimately blame the fans that Snake is the main character of MGS4 because they would have rioted if he wasn't.
From: AdditionalPylon | #029
It's been a while so I could be wrong, but wasn't Snake basically kidnapped/forced to help with Shadow Moses? Between that and "Master Miller" + Naomi betraying him, Campbell constantly lying to him, and seeing Gray Fox... I'd probably be a dick too.
From: ZFS | #037
As far as MGS4, I have a bunch of issues with Snake and the story in general, but what can you do. Definitely a disappointing end to the main storyline.
From: GranzonEx | #038
He was still a pawn to the Patriots in MGS4 >_>
From: Jeff Zero | #039
For a while.