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neonreap
02/25/2012
04:48 AM
#51
WazzupGenius00 posted...
Uhh, I appreciate TASes probably more than the average person, but why are you trying to bring it up as if it were directly comparable to a live speedrun? You didn't even mention it was a TAS.


it's iGenesis

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ShadowHalo17
02/25/2012
04:59 AM
#52
I still don't even really understand what it means by tool-assisted. Like, what exactly are these "tools" that aid the player? What is it helping them with? I figured it's pretty much just... cheating.

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WazzupGenius00
02/25/2012
05:26 AM
#53
Tools that let you advance the game one frame at a time so that perfect timing and button input is achieved, saving and loading savestates, pressing up and down or left and right at the same time, etc. All things that technically could be done by a player but would require such a degree of perfection (and a custom controller) that it would never happen in real life.

A TAS is not "cheating" because its purpose is different from that of a human speedrun. The point of it is not "look how awesome I am at this game," it's "what is the fastest possible time we can find to reach the end of the game." This is why earlier I said that the TAS and live speedrun were not directly comparable in the manner that iGenesis was attempting to compare them.

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Hrezs
02/25/2012
06:02 AM
#54
TAS let's you see the hardcap for a specific path/strat. Nearly impossible to achieve, but depending on the game might be doable (I saw a guy get a perfect run on yoshi's board the platforms in ssb64)

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iGenesis
02/25/2012
12:02 PM
#55

From: WazzupGenius00 | #050
Uhh, I appreciate TASes probably more than the average person, but why are you trying to bring it up as if it were directly comparable to a live speedrun? You didn't even mention it was a TAS.


I don't care about "live speedruns." I care about games being completed in the fastest possible time, which is (BIG GASP) the primary objective of a speedrun.

From: WazzupGenius00 | #053
Tools that let you advance the game one frame at a time so that perfect timing and button input is achieved, saving and loading savestates, pressing up and down or left and right at the same time, etc. All things that technically could be done by a player but would require such a degree of perfection (and a custom controller) that it would never happen in real life.


Well that run I just posted doesn't have anything like pressing L+R simultaneousy. It doesn't use any major tricks/exploits that can't theoretically and practically be done in real time.

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GTM
02/25/2012
12:06 PM
#56
The problem I see with TAS is that it's essentially the opposite of a speedrun, you're going through the game very slowly, frame-by-frame and such

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agesboy
02/25/2012
12:08 PM
#57
I don't care about "live speedruns."

then why are you in this topic centered on live speedruns

TAS's are cool too but playing a game in segments with save states and whatnot are nowhere as indicative of skill as a live one is

watching live speedruns is like 'how the f*** can he do that is he human' whereas TAS runs are like 'I wonder how many times he had to replay this part' for me

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iGenesis
02/25/2012
12:31 PM
#58

From: agesboy | #057
TAS's are cool too but playing a game in segments with save states and whatnot are nowhere as indicative of skill as a live one is


Optimal speedruns > sub-optimal, mistake-laden slowruns done for the sake of showing "skill"

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WazzupGenius00
02/25/2012
12:35 PM
#59
and this is exactly my point, they're not comparable because one is intended to show skill, the other to show what the optimal speed through the game is

but you're iGenesis so this conversation will go nowhere

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-FFDragon-
02/25/2012
12:41 PM
#60
Is iGenesis a real person?

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WazzupGenius00
02/25/2012
12:45 PM
#61
he probably IS a robot now that you mention it, which is why he is so obsessed with perfect speedruns and has no appreciation for human skill

That would also explain why he thinks each new game in a Nintendo series is automatically better than the previous ones

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Xuxon
02/25/2012
12:47 PM
#62
and yet TASes get improved all the time. shows how "optimal" they were.

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02/25/2012
01:06 PM
#63
hey stop fighting you guys, you're making Scratchy cry!

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Pokewars
02/25/2012
01:06 PM
#64
;_;

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Rad Link 5
02/25/2012
01:27 PM
#65

From: iGenesis | #058
Optimal speedruns > sub-optimal, mistake-laden slowruns done for the sake of showing "skill"




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Xuxon
02/25/2012
01:58 PM
#66
ZFG is going now. He's the current WR holder, going for sub-48.

http://www.twitch.tv/zfg1

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WazzupGenius00
02/25/2012
02:08 PM
#67
Hey guys remember when a human speedrun beat the previous Majora's Mask TAS by a huge amount of time

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X_Dante_X
02/25/2012
02:09 PM
#68
I effortlessly z-slide everywhere I go whenever I play OoT

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nintendogirl1
02/25/2012
02:10 PM
#69
I can sort of deal with the light trolling here. Knock it off the stream though dude, that just looks lame.

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Rad Link 5
02/25/2012
02:17 PM
#70

From: nintendogirl1 | #069
I can sort of deal with the light trolling here. Knock it off the stream though dude, that just looks lame.


But I'm not even on the stream

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nintendogirl1
02/25/2012
02:24 PM
#71
Oh you.

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02/25/2012
02:39 PM
#72
that last cucco

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Blairville
02/25/2012
03:06 PM
#73
Ooh, looks like ZFG will beat the WR! He's an any% monster.

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Pokewars
02/25/2012
03:13 PM
#74
"He talks FOREVER!"

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GTM
02/25/2012
03:16 PM
#75
XD and then it was downhill from there

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Pianist
02/25/2012
03:41 PM
#76
what's this talk about the under 50 minutes? i'm only seeing a 2:31 run

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WazzupGenius00
02/25/2012
03:42 PM
#77
any%, not MST

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Pianist
02/25/2012
04:01 PM
#78
http://www.twitch.tv/cosmowright/b/309586919

this the one?

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GTM
02/25/2012
04:32 PM
#79
wooo new record

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HaRRicH
02/25/2012
04:38 PM
#80
I think he ended with 48:18.96, and it looks like breaking forty-eight minutes is possible too. Impressive.

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Pokewars
02/25/2012
04:40 PM
#81
Oh, I missed it. I was watching the Leafs lose -_-

Next we have Saturday Night Bingo to look forward to!

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Pokewars
02/25/2012
06:37 PM
#82
Bingo soon!

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