yeah this topic is garbage
- Cheering at a terrible person's death is absolutely acceptableThis type of thinking is mind-boggling to me. Wanting to see a truly evil person - like a mass-murderer - die, sure, but you're basically saying he should die because at one point he was an asshole.
yeah this topic is garbage
Drakeryn posted...
- Cheering at a terrible person's death is absolutely acceptableThis type of thinking is mind-boggling to me. You're basically saying he should die because at one point he was an asshole.
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From Zoe's post: "I know Alec is likely not well and I will always believe in rehabilitation over punishment." - yet she goes ahead with the public accusation anyway. His sister says he was trying to get better. To me it seems like Zoe trying to mask her intentions - there's no way, after ALL the gamergate shit, that she didn't know what the repercussions of her posts would be.
I will be more measured and simply say this topic was not a good idea.I agree
This type of thinking is mind-boggling to me. Wanting to see a <i>truly</i> evil person - like a mass-murderer - die, sure, but you're basically saying he should die because at one point he was an asshole.
https://archive.is/zkHTX/8fdd30f941dbcef2b100f317f9f1ffebfd66975b.png
From Zoe's post: "I know Alec is likely not well and I will always believe in rehabilitation over punishment." - yet she goes ahead with the public accusation anyway. His sister says he was trying to get better. To me it seems like Zoe trying to mask her intentions - there's no way, after ALL the gamergate shit, that she didn't know what the repercussions of her posts would be.
"Flippant" is a kind way of putting it - this is gamergate shit straight up
uh I dont think she knew the repercussions would be him killing himself.Probably not but she had to have known his career would basically be over, and that that would have an effect on his mental state
Where was it confirmed it was suicide because of what Quinn said about him years ago?She said all this less than a week ago, about events that happened years ago. I did not see it confirmed that it was a suicide, but it's about 99.9% likely that was the case since his sister alluded to him seeking help via "crisis services" just before dying.
This'll probably get locked or removed but I find the whole thing pretty upsetting.
Probably not but she had to have known his career would basically be over, and that that would have an effect on his mental state
Not a single person here has celebrated his death, I would not find that appropriate at allGlad to hear.
I believe that jcgamer's angst was directed to mob mentality, not Zoe Quinn specifically.
Zoe Quinn strikes again.
iiicon posted...
yeah this topic is garbage
Probably not but she had to have known his career would basically be over, and that that would have an effect on his mental stateOh so this article is a few days old uh, I see
She said all this less than a week ago, about events that happened years ago. I did not see it confirmed that it was a suicide, but it's about 99.9% likely that was the case since his sister alluded to him seeking help via "crisis services" just before dying.
Corrik.I got muh bois back, bruh.
No.
Stop with the Devil's Advocate act.
He
literally
blamed Zoe.
You are educated enough to know this, because you are educated enough to know how to read.
There was no reason to bring up Zoe at all if this was about "the mob". The topic title would be "Internet Mob Culture strikes again", but JC named dropped Zoe Quinn.
So please Corrik, drop the act. Just this once.
You are educated enough to know this, because you are educated enough to know how to read.
Dark Young Link posted...
You are educated enough to know this, because you are educated enough to know how to read.
how confident are you about this
It seems like the topic title was ill-advised, and I agree that people shouldn't really be blamed for coming forward with honest accounts of abuse (I think the idea is we want a world where people can support each other and share that they aren't alone)
That said, I do agree with Corrik that a large part of OP's post does seem to be against "mob culture", and against harassers. I feel we can probably all agree that some of the biggest "villains" in any of this are the people who went out of their way to harass anyone involved in this. (Or maybe I'm wrong?)
There are reasons why the legal system doesn't get involved in this type of thing which I think the OP can learn more about, but I'd rather assume the OP just doesn't realize the implications rather than assume he's deliberately obtuse. (The gist of it, as far as I can understand, is that the legal system usually cannot do anything about these cases even when they are true, and much of the accusation might not qualify as illegal even if he did horrible things)
Zoe Quinn is a divisive figure, and if you believe that lies have been spread about her to make her seem less trustworthy, then it's equally possible that the OP is a person who has been deceived by those lies than he is someone responsible for them. The things I've read about Zoe Quinn online have certainly made her seem untrustworthy. I admit I don't know enough to know the whole story about her. In this case, I don't have any reason to think she's lying, since it seems many people corroborated her story.
Ultimately, the OP seems quite upset about what happened, and I think his feelings are valid. He is upset that someone who was clearly not 100% all bad was driven to suicide, and I think that's a sad situation. When people are hurt, they look for someone to blame. Maybe OP is blaming the wrong people. I think it's understandable, even if it is misguided. I don't jump to the OP being a piece of shit. In fact, I think, on a scale of how unreasonable the OP could've been, they could've handled this much worse. (See: Literally any of the threads on the Steam Community for the game)
That's just my opinion. I don't think the OP has presented himself as being past the point of reason, so I don't think such a strong reaction is warranted. Please tell me if you think I'm wrong.
I don't jump to the OP being a piece of shit. In fact, I think, on a scale of how unreasonable the OP could've been, they could've handled this much worse.
There was no reason to bring up Zoe at all if this was about "the mob". The topic title would be "Internet Mob Culture strikes again", but JC named dropped Zoe Quinn.There is a reason to bring up Zoe when she provided the spark. She seemed to know the timing was bad, that he wasn't doing well, but that didn't faze her. So yes I do have an issue with both her and "cancel" culture. I think she knows what she's doing and wants to play the 'innocent victim' to such an extent that it should raise some eyebrows. There's a very good chance she knows the power she has in the gaming world and relishes the chance to wield it.
The topic title - "zoe quinn strikes again" - is all you need to know. This is coming straight out of the gamergate playbook, the harassment campaign of all harassment campaigns
finding one person to blame here seems impossible
finding one person to blame here seems impossible
Dels posted...
finding one person to blame here seems impossible
and yet they found one. weird! wonder if that's the crux of why most people are calling jcgamer garbage.