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I've spent the last several Christmas seasons wondering why in the hell this song was getting so much airtime. I don't remember it being a Christmas standard when I was a kid (80s), and only remember it from once the dustup started onward. I don't like it musically, so I'm wondering if it was just background noise I never paid attention to.
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Was this in regular Christmas rotation where you live before the big controversy a few years back?
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Was this in regular Christmas rotation where you live before the big controversy a few years back? - Results (88 votes)
Yes, I heard the song frequently.
51.14%
(45 votes)
45
Not really, but it came on a few times.
19.32%
(17 votes)
17
No, I don't remember hearing it before then.
15.91%
(14 votes)
14
crazyisgood
13.64%
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12
I'm taking the bait, I guess.
The problem stems from applying modern sensibilities to a decidedly old song.
The problem stems from applying modern sensibilities to a decidedly old song.
Are you watching closely?
Llarian posted...
also i don't think there's any bait here. he didn't even mention the controversy in any detail
I'm taking the bait, I guess.You can't apply modern sensibility naively to a person in order to vilify them, but you can do so to their actual work which exemplifies the issues. FDR probably made a speech that supported segregation at some point, yet we still laud him; we just don't quote the speech as something to honor. The debate was never about whether... whoever wrote the song is a rapist who should be blacklisted, just the song is creepy as fuck and maybe there's other shitty christmas music we can listen to instead
The problem stems from applying modern sensibilities to a decidedly old song.
also i don't think there's any bait here. he didn't even mention the controversy in any detail
Kneel... or you will be knelt
I've definitely heard it as long as most other Christmas music.
NFUN posted...
FDR probably made a speech that supported segregation at some pointSegregation via internment camps, maybe
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NFUN posted...
I did not know it was written by a Tony award winning songwriter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Loesser
You can't apply modern sensibility naively to a person in order to vilify them, but you can do so to their actual work which exemplifies the issues. FDR probably made a speech that supported segregation at some point, yet we still laud him; we just don't quote the speech as something to honor. The debate was never about whether... whoever wrote the song is a rapist who should be blacklisted, just the song is creepy as fuck and maybe there's other shitty christmas music we can listen to insteadHe doesn't have to go into detail, it's rehashed every holiday season for reasons I will never understand. The rest of your point is fair and well taken.
also i don't think there's any bait here. he didn't even mention the controversy in any detail
I did not know it was written by a Tony award winning songwriter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Loesser
Are you watching closely?
paperwarior posted...
Segregation via internment camps, maybeoh yeah that was a thing. completely forgot about that when making my point. definitely something you should judge him by, but you get my gist
Kneel... or you will be knelt
I've still never heard it.
Only the exceptions can be exceptional.
I've never heard the song before the controversy came up.
If you want to talk about a rapey song that's modern though... Blurred Lines.
If you want to talk about a rapey song that's modern though... Blurred Lines.
I prefer Jump In My Car by David Hasselhoff
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VintageGin posted...
love, stealing
meme
love, stealing
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Super Cluster Brain - Its not even a Christmas song in the first place!
Nothing
in the lyrics references Christmas or anything Christmas-adjacent. Its
at most
a winter song. Die Hard is much more a Christmas movie than this is a Christmas song.
It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest
I'm more familiar with the controversy around the song than with the song itself
Leonhart4 posted...
in fact I don't even think I'm familiar with the song at all
I'm more familiar with the controversy around the song than with the song itself^
in fact I don't even think I'm familiar with the song at all
I request affiliated many pipes.
Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man.
Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man.
Tom Bombadil posted...
I may or may not have just posted it to my facebook >_>
love, stealing
I may or may not have just posted it to my facebook >_>
i heard the song more after the controversy i guess, but was completely unaware of the controversy when i first heard of it
that said, it is super rape-y-sounding, and while that is a product of the times, it might mean it's not particularly suited to be played as often on today's radio as it is
that said, it is super rape-y-sounding, and while that is a product of the times, it might mean it's not particularly suited to be played as often on today's radio as it is
yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness
I've heard it all my life in all things Christmas-related, hard to believe so many here were unfamiliar. I don't think I've been hearing it more than before in recent years, I'd say the frequency has been about the same.
It would be sad if Baby got put in a cultural corner for the rest of time, not because of overfamiliarity or the surfeit of awful contemporary recordings of the tune but because its rapey. Its not. This is really the ultimate pre-Walk of Shame anthem, with no actual shame involved on either duet partners part. It should be and generally is understood that this is a dialogue between who both very much want to get it on but only one of whom, in the songs period setting, has the freedom to explicitly say so.
It would be sad if Baby got put in a cultural corner for the rest of time, not because of overfamiliarity or the surfeit of awful contemporary recordings of the tune but because its rapey. Its not. This is really the ultimate pre-Walk of Shame anthem, with no actual shame involved on either duet partners part. It should be and generally is understood that this is a dialogue between who both very much want to get it on but only one of whom, in the songs period setting, has the freedom to explicitly say so.
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It gets played here in the UK but only because Tom Jones did a cover of it back in 99.
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