I think how bad they were is still debatable, but assuming they were wrong, I dont see what ultis flavor has to do with anything.
JC preemptively defended himself against the theory he was Godfather who was scanned by Crescent N1, resulting in Crescent saying she'd scan JC but thinking he's town and scum knowing Crescent was cop who moved N1 and needs must be nuked N2.
I felt that was kind of a weird thing to do considering nobody had actually thought of that.
Does no one else notice Wallz trucking along like I don't exist? I'm used to this neglect from Ulti, but not our star new player. T_T
As Miller Guilty Cop you can target one player every night and find out if they are Innocent or Guilty. If you were to be scanned you too would appear as Guilty. If you are successful in targeting a member of the scum team they will be informed the next day phase of who you are.
Also Dumey I noticed it too, I had a similar interaction with Wall twice and no one cared, to bad for you.
Also I'm not entirely sure it means anything, but I do not agree with Wall's priorities that much.
Wallz.
I am doing a long hard think about this because I agree with a lot of ctes' criticisms of wallz. He's spent the last 2 days undermining power claims instead of assessing the vanilla situation, which quite frankly I think is more pressing. He also hasn't done a good job of explaining why scum would kill a claimed vanilla and then claim the kill as a vig without knowing whether town had extra killing powers. I think ctes is ballsy but not that ballsy.
It's not that I don't see your point Han, but why are you so defensive.
Yeah, it's too bad I asked about flavor, which made me push down suspicions that Ulti could be lying given how perfectly his flavor fit his role.
Well thats kind of my point. I dont understand being suspicious of Ulti at all after n3 even without knowing his flavor.
Ulti being Scum would require no-killing at least once, which is not smart at all in a game where Scum's down from D1 lynch.
Dont forget it requires there being no doctor in this game
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And Han/Dumey jumped on ctes way too quickly without thinking about it. I feel good about my Dumey vote because HEAT CHECK.
Thank you Wallz. That at least clarifies for me that it came from the game and not outside of it. I will accept the misattribution.
With this context now, I would still like you to answer my original question of what is your proposed scum team if you had to pick a three man team? I can understand being delayed because of work stuff, I ask people to be patient with me during work hours all the time, but when you can, thank you.
Action successful.I still think there's a good chance Ctes is scum btw. That's why I haven't bothered moving my vote yet.
And Han/Dumey jumped on ctes way too quickly without thinking about it. I feel good about my Dumey vote because HEAT CHECK.
It is pretty insane that ctes was almost hammered, I'll give you thatA. Han and I basically same time voted.
he already had breadcrumbed that he was going to claim Jack
Yeah like an hour before or something.
Han, I feel like you tend to vote pressure a lot more than you have the most days, considering specials a lot more because of how informative ends of days are. It's not something I always agree on but it has its merits. Why have you not done much of that the last few days?
Tough question I honestly dont have a confident answer to. Logistically, based on how the game is set up, I think ctes and jc being scum makes the most sense. Otherwise the perceived imbalance of power is really puzzling. Maybe they are scum and just halfway talked me out of it, but yesterday (irl) I found myself deeply considering ctes is telling the truth, which makes me think scum is three of the following: Han/Lea/Dumey/Ben. I hope youll forgive me not being able to present 3 with a neat little bow but this post represents as far as Ive come with an answer to your question.
Does town Han that already explained that he can't read Death very well jump from 7.5 to 9 on thinking Death is scum?I feel like you're not quoting some important context of what Han was responding to when he made that half-joke.
I feel like you're not quoting some important context of what Han was responding to when he made that half-joke.
Look how about this. King me. Kill han. If han is town just kill me tomorrowThis is the single most interesting post yet for discussion. Chris has not made a statement this bold about anyone in the game yet at this point. Now Chris was scum so we know this confidence is fake, however, does Chris as scum open himself up to looking this bad in a world where he gets his wish and Han flips town?
Ez pz
To be honest I dont know if I even see a better player to lynch right now than Han.
Maaan, you keep tripping red flags for me, and it's so hard for me to honestly evaluate. I hope you can appreciate that I'm actually not just tunneling you on every inconsistency and minor thing I can find , because I think Town makes mistakes and changes reads all the time as more info is brought to light. But completely flipping from Ctes/JC might be telling the truth, and then including Ben (who was number 2 town right below yourself before) in your potential scum team just seems so inconsistent that my brain demands a reason for it.
The charitable part of me wants to say you're just a new player and not confident in your reads, and that's totally understandable. The scum hunter in me wants to say "I called out Wallz for defending Ben when both of them are on my PoE list, and now suddenly Wallz is putting Ben back in the line of fire."
does Chris as scum open himself up to looking this bad in a world where he gets his wish and Han flips town?
I feel like Ben is doing his reread from the perspective of starting with a conclusion and working backwards to find reasons to support it. It's very narrow. And still going through mid day one with a fine toothed comb.I don't think so. Yes i am looking out for reasons why Han could be scum in these interactions. But i was looking for reasons why Sultan is scum and found him to be town.
I don't think so. Yes i am looking out for reasons why Han could be scum in these interactions. But i was looking for reasons why Sultan is scum and found him to be town.
Using a bit of Han's posts earlier, what it takes for JC to be scum, not knowing that I'm truthful.
N1 Scum shoots Death, JC scans Crescent (OR scum shoots the same they're scanning, which was always ridiculous)
N2 Scum shoots Crescent using an unblockable, JC pretends to be redirected.
N3 Scum shoots Ulti.
Ctes must be scum
Ulti must be bulletproof (and must also be doctor if you believed the first paranthesis)
Town power is reduced to three roles including neighborizer and a drunk in 10 or 11.
I think anyone humoring all of the above is not trying to use the method of PoE to progress but just keeping their options available. The last line even relies on Dumey and Sultan being town but it's never brought up. Even not knowing if I'm speaking the truth the above I'd ridiculous to consider. Where is that razor some of you love to bring up
Ben making a conclusion and shoving posts in to fit it...That does not match my read on the situation so far. I don't think you were a threat to his game considering the engagement is being forced by him and his made up reason for voting you is that your presence isn't strong enough. So it looks more like goading you into action than it does seeing you as a threat.
Given he doesn't try hard to be not be lynched, this argument doesn't really hold.
If you want to talk Occulam's - Chris identified me as a threat to his team and tried to throw his weight around to get me lynched when I am a common N1 save target. He failed because he didn't have a real argument.
Like, I hate to say this once again, but if Chris is Scum bussing Scum, he's going to be able to put together a much better argument to lynching a Scummate. Which is also points in Sultan's favor.
That does not match my read on the situation so far. I don't think you were a threat to his game considering the engagement is being forced by him and his made up reason for voting you is that your presence isn't strong enough. So it looks more like goading you into action than it does seeing you as a threat.
So Occulam's Razor says you're all Town, and Scum is underpowered, and that's it?
Occulam's definitely says JC is town. Should to anyone. Even more so than Ulti (I suppose unless one is on a team that has shot at him?).
Underpowered scum has always been an idea you proposed that might just as well be wrong. 4 scum and Chris' power considered? That's super strong.