I think writers avoid having Hulk win climactic fights because he's a mindless monster. It's hard to root for a character who acts purely on instinct and is only winning thanks to his muscles.Makes me miss the development he had in the comics, where he is still a dedicated hero even hulked out. Doesn't kill innocent people and has a full personality beyond just rage.
People like Bruce Banner because he's scared of the Hulk coming out - that's what makes the character likeable. It's fun watching him control his inner monster, and only having it come out when it's absolutely necessary, at which point he easily wins most fights. Otherwise, the only use for the Hulk in a dedicated fight is when you need to establish a villain as a threat.
I wish they had given Ultron a better Prime body that was actually strong and he could beat down all the other Avengers with. Then have Hulk tear it apart similar to the scene that actually happened, but was kinda meaningless because Ultron Prime was pretty weak. Stealing his intended body and making the Vision out of it was a fine plot device but stealing Ultron's ability to be physically imposing in the climax was the biggest mistake of the movie imo.I thought the biggest problem is the descent into madness. It didn't really work and took away a lot of the threat from him.
If it were the comicsCaptain Marvel, Thor, and Hulk enter a battling coliseum. All have their traditional powers. Who wins?Hulk pretty much without question.
Isn't Hulk capable of like, multiversal featsI know CM and Thor are about the same and Thor outright admits in Fear Itself he could never beat Hulk.
Are those two capable of that
One of the worst things about Hulk in the MCU is that he never comes across as nightmarishly terrifying as he did in The Incredible Hulk movie. TIH wasn't the best, but it had great ideas about how to present the character, and he absolutely peaked in that movie as a monster.Didn't someone involved with the movie come out at some point and debunk that, and say that it was hulk trying to teach banner a lesson not to rely on him all the time or something?
Mark Ruffalo Bruce is also kind of boring to me, especially when he has no conflict about The Hulk. And his Hulk doesn't look even half as intimidating, even if he's supposed to look like Ruffalo. It just feels toothless when he doesn't ever have to fear the beast unless he's arbitrarily mind controlled and it's completely out of his control anyway.
I dunno. MCU Hulk is just comedy vehicle. The absolute shits of it being Hulk was TOO AFRAID to come out and fight even generic Thanos enemies after getting beaten up once. What is that? Why is Hulk ever afraid? Why is Hulk not just a rampaging menace, bitter and angry after losing a fight? Why are we getting a movie where we have to have Ruffalo trying to convince him to come out? Any Hulk storylines are usually the worst part of any movie Hulk is in usually and they just don't understand what to do with the character.
Didn't someone involved with the movie come out at some point and debunk that, and say that it was hulk trying to teach banner a lesson not to rely on him all the time or something?I haven't seen the movie in a while but didn't they outright say he was afraid?
What part of Hulk is strongest one there is dont you understand?
This was an interesting journey we went on with Banner, trying to decide how we move him forward in the Marvel Universe. What makes him unique as a character is that there is a host body that is being fought over by two distinct personalities who hate each other. And both want control of the host body. So we thought an interesting direction to take him in is what if Banner, who typically uses the Hulk to solve crisis situations, what if the Hulk were no longer interested in solving those problems for Banner? So that the relationship is becoming increasingly dysfunctional. That's what's going on here.
People have speculated whether there was some fear on the Hulk's part about having to face Thanos again. But I think ultimately what it is, is that he's tired of playing hero to Bruce Banner.
Found what I was thinking of, this is the director of infinity war
This was an interesting journey we went on with Banner, trying to decide how we move him forward in the Marvel Universe. What makes him unique as a character is that there is a host body that is being fought over by two distinct personalities who hate each other. And both want control of the host body. So we thought an interesting direction to take him in is what if Banner, who typically uses the Hulk to solve crisis situations, what if the Hulk were no longer interested in solving those problems for Banner? So that the relationship is becoming increasingly dysfunctional. That's what's going on here.I dunno if one of the Russos wrote that, but I despise it. It makes me ick. It makes me ick hard. It makes me ick hard because Bruce does not think of the Hulk as a hero, he thinks of the Hulk as a monster (as he rightly should). If you want to say he calls on the Hulk in moments of desperation, sure. But it's not because the Hulk is any sort of hero, at all. A pacifist could pick up a gun and shoot another human being to save themselves in desperation. That doesn't make them a gun lover. Also, this radically undermines the shift to "Smart Hulk" we see in Endgame. This takes two fundamentally opposed forces realizing how they intrinsically benefit each other and turns it into something more akin to a lovers spat that becomes mended. Ick.
People have speculated whether there was some fear on the Hulk's part about having to face Thanos again. But I think ultimately what it is, is that he's tired of playing hero to Bruce Banner.
Found what I was thinking of, this is the director of infinity war
The Hulk doesn't win 1v1 fights because there is no narrative purpose to having the Hulk win 1v1 fights. All we can really get out of that is 'yay, Hulk punched the bad guy', and while the Hulk should do that on occasion all of the movies in question are team-up movies. Like yeah of course the Hulk doesn't win a 1v1 fight, these movies aren't supposed to be a series of 1v1 fights, this isn't an anime tournament arc. Big strong man just winning a straight fight isn't something a movie has time to cover.Careful. Some people may find the things you have said to be too rational. :p
Like what, is he supposed to beat Thanos? Then there'd be no fuckin' movie. The Hulk is the odds that the other person has to overcome to prove themselves.
The Russos have done a great job post Endgame totally destroying any sort of artistic credibility they had so that quote doesn't surprise me.
Literally use chat gpt to write their shit.
I haven't seen the movie in a while but didn't they outright say he was afraid?
And also if that was the lesson, why now? Why this timing?
Also why is THE HULK trying to teach Banner lessons?
I dunno if one of the Russos wrote that, but I despise it. It makes me ick. It makes me ick hard. It makes me ick hard because Bruce does not think of the Hulk as a hero, he thinks of the Hulk as a monster (as he rightly should). If you want to say he calls on the Hulk in moments of desperation, sure. But it's not because the Hulk is any sort of hero, at all. A pacifist could pick up a gun and shoot another human being to save themselves in desperation. That doesn't make them a gun lover. Also, this radically undermines the shift to "Smart Hulk" we see in Endgame. This takes two fundamentally opposed forces realizing how they intrinsically benefit each other and turns it into something more akin to a lovers spat that becomes mended. Ick.