Bloodborne Mafia Topic 8: Fear the Old Blood

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Lopen posted...
Because I was unable to see red as town

I said "if you present a case where red is town I consider wall again"

Not rocket science
As far as I was concerned the case was simple because Red was cop and his sudden switch on Corrik's alignment made it obvious. Ulti and Corrik both got off of him because they also realized this.

We already had the case to see Red as town, and you called the people who saw and responded to that case scum for doing so.
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I don't think people actually tried to argue red as town very hard yesterday

I recall no one actually calling him town to me they just called me scum who was mad there were too many scanners
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Who did this you ask.

FD specifically which seemed very offputting at the time

I believe you helped though
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Barring something weird with the flips I'm going FD / Blade going forward.

So it'll likely be one of these scenarios

1. Town loses for lynching me. Peaf and Corrik throw.
2. IGCD scum town loses. Oh well. Well played IGCD.
3. Town wins.
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Lopen posted...
I don't think people actually tried to argue red as town very hard yesterday

I recall no one actually calling him town to me they just called me scum who was mad there were too many scanners
Even though Corrik was badgering on principle Red for refusing to claim, he directly indicated belief that Red was town when push came to shove and denied a Red lynch.
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Meow1000 posted...
Even though Corrik was badgering on principle Red for refusing to claim, he directly indicated belief that Red was town when push came to shove and denied a Red lynch.

Yes push comes to shove vote with 5 minutes less helps a lot

God if you're town and not just scum trying to twist everything against me you're really bad at this game
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The personal reasons are he drew scum

Nothing personnel kid
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Lopen posted...
Yes push comes to shove vote with 5 minutes less helps a lot

God if you're town and not just scum trying to twist everything against me you're really bad at this game
You started the day by insinuating Corrik was scum for this.
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4. IGCD

Can IGCD be scum?
Yes, of course.

What about his claim?
Living Failures, Vanilla (he didn't say "prey" but it's not worth reading too much into such things). He was one of the few pressured into claiming d1, with his claim coming Topic 3, Post 122. He originally responded to corrik by saying he moved "every other night". This was presumably a joke and reference to dead by daylight mafia.

What does it mean for his claim if he is actually scum?
Vanilla is always a pretty safe claim, unless the game turns out to have no pure vanilla. But the opening flavor of the game involved the "blood minster" dying as pure vanilla and ulti called himself vanilla (T1P118). There was also speculation that I was vanilla trying to draw a scum shot. Suffice to say the likelihood of a no vanilla game was pretty low by the time topic 3 rolled around, so it's a pretty safe bet. It also came shortly before JC's own vanilla claim which was not believed. The timing is good to be an early vanilla claim as scum.

What about his voting record?
IGCD placed SO many votes day 1. 3 on blade, 2 on wallz, one on myself, lopen, peaf and his final vote stayed on JC. IGCD got onto the JC train early, as the 3rd vote. Ulti, Ben and IGCD voted within about 5 minutes of each other, pushing JC to 3 where he stayed for about the next 40 minutes until things started happening in the final 16 minutes of day. If IGCD is scum he placed his vote hoping that the lynch would move elsewhere (peaf, red and ifrit all had multiple votes on them during that final hour), but I don't see a good way for IGCD to pull his vote back. The worst part about the JC vote (which again, was a good vote) is that it was left without comment. He had some posts on the previous page where he was defending himself for lying about saying he moved every other day, he had a post at the top of page 4 responding to corrik who said IGCD claiming when he didn't have to makes him look town, and then the unvote/vote came without comment. He went on to say that he trusts Ulti.
And interesting tidbit is that all of IGCD's other vote targets from day 1 are still alive (Blade, Peaf, Wallz, FD, Lopen). Unless all 5 of us are the remaining town that could read as putting down votes on scummates day 1.

IGCD voted much less day 2, ending on Corrik (3). IGCD might be scum and Corrik might be scum, but I don't see them as scum together based upon day 2. He also had votes on Ben and Red and he probably just leaves his vote on Red if corrik is a scummate. Alternatively IGCD could know both red and corrik are town and be trying to set up successive mislynches. Because IGCD did end on Red day 3 despite having cast a vote that presumably would have saved red from being lynched day 2. Mostly though IGCD seemed to fully commit to being Ulti's vote lackey after day 1 so most of his vote decisions should be taken with a grain of salt.

What does any of this say about his potential scummates?
Well as I mentioned above, not scummates with Corrik. And probably not scummates with peaf after this whole day 1 "compromise" thing to go against his blade pressure and vote the person blade wanted to vote. So that leaves Blade, Lopen, Ulti, Wallz. It seems pretty brazen to be openly "ride or die" with one of your scummates, following them around from vote to vote so we can probably take Ulti off that list as well. It's not impossible, just less likely. Blade would be weird with the way day 1 was spent, so probably just IGCD/Lopen/Wallz is the most obvious combination if we're putting IGCD as definitely scum.

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But this musing prompts a question.
Ulti, do you have any reason (other than his fanboyism) to believe IGCD is town?
~C~ FD
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Meow1000 posted...
You started the day by insinuating Corrik was scum for this.

And I stand by it's not usual corrik behavior

However corrik actually tried today and wallz claimed scum so here we are
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Youre tired of me being a good day 1 player for personal reasons, huh

You "caught" Ifrit by the way he introduced himself last game and it was BS. Yes he happened to be scum that game, but it was not magical sleuthing ability on your part.

Your attempt to remind me 100x during DTC only made me question your T1P1 logic and your attempt to gaslight me by calling yourself "confirmed town power" who we mislynched did not endear themselves towards me.

Anyways, answer this:

Forceful_Dragon posted...
Ulti, do you have any reason (other than his fanboyism) to believe IGCD is town?

~C~ FD
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Ironically FD if you just hammered with much less defensive thoughts trying to rationalize the mzero lynch I think I would have went IGCD x Blade

Sometimes less is more.
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Lopen posted...
Ironically FD if you just hammered with much less defensive thoughts trying to rationalize the mzero lynch I think I would have went IGCD x Blade

Sometimes less is more.

I said I'd be making the case for EVERYONE as scum, starting with the 3 who we know at LEAST one of is scum. I stand by my reasons for believing vigi didn't fit what we knew about town and I don't see how anything corrik says makes me feel good about MZero. Maybe YOU knew Mzero was town all along, but I did not.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Ill answer that question tomorrow btw

Does it relate to your insistence that we do not have a town neighborizer yes/no?
~C~ FD
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I need to see Walls flip and PM first, yeah.
At this point I'm just waiting for FD to finish. The longer this goes the more curious I'm feeling about it.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I need to see Walls flip and PM first, yeah.

Not what I had in mind, but possibly stay in that vein. Though it should be noted that if Wallz is not scum the maths says there won't BE a tomorrow.
~C~ FD
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If wallz is not scum he'd have been hammered by now come on now
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Not what I had in mind, but possibly stay in that vein. Though it should be noted that if Wallz is not scum the maths says there won't BE a tomorrow.
Wallz is -1, it's impossible at this point for him not to be.
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Day 1-2 reads are a skill and everyone who denies it have at least a few things to learn about mafia
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Note if the scumteam is actually fd wallz Blade JC I had all of them as higher level scumreads early cept JC
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UltimaterializerX posted...
NOW WHOS DOING ACCIDENTAL SEX JOKES BLADE LOL I WIN
FD is gonna finish all over this game yeeaahhhh
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7. Ulti

Can Ulti be scum?
Yes, but it would require several unlikely or unsavory things to be true. Whatever else I may think about ulti's play and his inconsistencies (which could just be because he only plays in the moment which is dumb and ignores thousands of potential sources of evidence) he did cause JC to get buried, no two ways about it. And it's really damn "icky" but it would also mean that ulti made that post about how "unbelievably depressed" he was and how he's glad he's not scum as scum. I'm sure there are other things I could point to as well that make him less likely to be scum, but those two spring to mind, so if I'm going to assume he's scum I'm going to have to assume he had a reason to bury his roleblocker and that he made an disgusting post regarding his alignment.

What is his claim?
Suspicious Beggar, Vanilla. Ulti was the first to say vanilla (topic 1, though he wasn't explicitly claiming, only heavily implying), and one of the last to claim his flavor (topic 3 when Lopen was trying to count the vanillas).

What does it mean for his claim if he is actually scum?
It could mean just about anything. He'd be a strong contender for godfather, if there is one. If Ulti (or anyone) flips godfather though, it says more about blade than anyone else. Corrik states that ulti did not move last night. If corrik is town then we know he didn't send in the kill at least

What about his voting record?

Ulti voted for damn near everyone. It would actually be faster to say who he did NOT vote for day 1. On day 1 Ulti did NOT vote for: Ifrit, Mzero, Red, IGCD, Lopen, Sbell. 4 of those have since flipped town. Lopen and IGCD are still alive.

On day 2 Ulti only placed votes on Corrik and Ifrit, ending on Corrik. Similar to IGCD this basically means Ulti should not be scummates with Corrik as they were nearly the deciding vote to kill corrik over red (Ifrit was a last minute thing and red vs corrik had been pretty built up at that point).

On day 3 Ulti went back to voting for everyone. There were 10 people alive on day 3, so that's 9 not including himself and ulti voted for 6 of them. Still did not cast a vote for Lopen or IGCD, but also did not vote for Peaf who has sat firmly in the "confirmed bodyguard is confirmed" minds of many.

What does any of this say about his potential scummates?

Not Corrik. But a comedy option would be if he were scummates with Lopen and IGCD, the two people he has never voted. But I mentioned in IGCD's write up that his (IGCD's) following of ulti's votes would be pretty brazen for scummates to do, so I be comfortable saying Not with IGCD as well. That leaves Blade, Lopen, Peaf, Wallz. Going after wallz today would be a long term play if they were scummates and if we're at Mylo then I would assume that Ulti would rather just play for the win. If ulti being scum makes corrik town then it could be peaf and we'd just be a low protection high scanning town with a backup. So that probably gives us Ulti/Peaf/Lopen or Ulti/Peaf/Blade.

Neither seem very attractive or likely options, but I tasked myself with assuming Ulti is scum and that's what I'm left with.
~C~ FD
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I get killing Red. Isquen and Ben are bizarre kills.

Isquen was "confirmed town" via replace meta. I don't agree with that meta and I probably leave my vote on Isquen/Sultan if I had been able to make it home before EoD, but likely scum would want him out of the game to not have to work around fitting in a night kill on a "confirmed" town in the later stages.

Ben was backup and could have been scanned by scum N1 or they could have just had a particularly strong read on him as power for some reason.

As for me? At this point scum might not see a point to killing me if all of towns scanners are dead and the "why didn't the princess die" argument is going to continually make me a potential mislynch target.

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Anyways that's my write-ups on those 3. Wallz and IGCD are both much more likely to be the "at least one" scum than Ulti so I do stand behind the wallz lynch. If you want to wait I can do my other write-ups later, but I need to take a break for a bit and I visit my mother on wednesdays so it wouldn't be until late evening PST most likely.
~C~ FD
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Anyways that's my write-ups on those 3. Wallz and IGCD are both much more likely to be the "at least one" scum than Ulti so I do stand behind the wallz lynch. If you want to wait I can do my other write-ups later, but I need to take a break for a bit and I visit my mother on wednesdays so it wouldn't be until late evening PST most likely.
Again, Wallz is -1. There is no "at least one scum" argument to be making.
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Meow1000 posted...
Again, Wallz is -1. There is no "at least one scum" argument to be making.

Sure there is. As long as wallz is the scum there could still potentially only be 1 single scum involved in his lynch (him). Or if he's town (less likely) there would be multple scum with votes on him.

But whatever, I'll work on my writeups during the night phase and if game doesn't end and scum lets me live I can provide more tomorrow.

##Vote: Wallz
~C~ FD
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Flip in a bit
Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora
Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA

If there was a Hunters Nightmare, there also had to be a Hunters Dream. Those who still dreamed could return there to recover from wounds, poisons and even death itself. A Hunter could almost call it a Home...Yet this Dream could only be made the same way as a Nightmare, through the power of the Great Ones. And the Hunters selected this Great One, if it even counted as one. Through the umbilical cord of an infant great one, Gherman the First Hunter called upon the Moon Presence and created the Hunters Dream as a mirror image of the original real Hunters workshop.
It was within that workshop that the last Hunter found the same umbilical cord... one third of it.
The Imposter Iosefka carried another third and she'd already been slaugtered.
The final third the Hunter found in the basement of Oedon Chapel, where the Formless Oedon presented an unfortunate woman with its new child.
With the now completed cord the Hunter could finally face the nightmare behind dreams curtains. As the paleblood moon broke through the clouds... the Presence descended.


NIGHTMARE SLAIN
Wallmasterz was The Moon Presence, NIGHTMARE Godfather Neighborizer


Flora, of the Moon, of the Dream.
The Hunters beckoned you with one third of the umbilical cord, and began a contract with you that created the Hunters Dream.
It was meant to be a resting place for the weary hunters who could still dream, a home in which they could heal and evolve.
The messengers of the old ones would exchange blood and insight for tools and relics, while the Plain doll would use blood to channel new strength into the dreamers body.
But this dream was merely another layer of the nightmare, the red moon of the paleblood sky penetrates even here in the darkest hour
It all began with the Moon Presence and the first hunter, the first dreamer. And this dream would never end, the first dreamer could never wake up.
For he would have to keep bringing in more hunters to continue the endless hunt. To hunt the beasts, the hunters, and perhaps even the nightmares.
Not even the First Hunter's death coud break the cycle. Kill the host of the dream and you become the host yourself. So who will you choose to become your new 'first'?

You are The Moon Presence NIGHTMARE Godfather Neighborizer
You can target 1 player during the day and neighborize them, opening a separate chat for you and him.
As long as he is your neighbor, you cannot be killed and you will scan as their alignment to any power.
You win when NIGHTMARE gains control of the lynch
Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora
Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA
Alive:
1. Blade
2. Corrik
3. FD
4. IGCD
5. Lopen
6. Peaf
7. Ulti

Dead:
LD1. JC - Orphan of Kos NIGHTMARE Roleblocker
KN1. Isquen - Garden of Eyes PREY Watcher
KD2. Sbell - Brainsucker PREY Vanilla
LD2. Ifrit - Vermin Host PREY Vanilla
KN2. Ben - Imposter Iosefka PREY Backup
LD3. Mzero - The Bloody Crow of Cainhurst PREY Elite Vigilante
KN3. Red - Ludwig the Holy Blade PREY Cop
LD4. Wall - The Moon Presence NIGHTMARE Godfather Neighborizer

Starting the day within the next 2 hour did not sound like a good idea to me, so we will have a full night.
But to make up for it I can start the next day at 6 PM instead of 7 PM EST if all actions are sent in early.
If not, day 5 goes up at 7 PM EST as usual and actions are due at 6 PM EST.
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