Community Mafia Topic 2 - The Psychology of Fake Claiming

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Proper Elden Ring Mafia when
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I mean cmon I was the random lava area last time!
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Try to put personal feelings aside and focus on the game at hand.

Ulti, stop with the personal insults. its not nice to call Lopen a very bad player, youve both had your share of good and bad moments just like everyone else. Its fine to feel annoyed at being suspected when town but I clearly recall you have also called people bad players for suspecting you when you were scum so there is no place for this level of mean-spirited comments let alone combined with emotional manipulation. This needs to be reeled in.
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anyway, activity will be lessened for a bit from me. Tho I still have laptop access thankfully
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It's all empty pandering unless you all policy lynch Ulti for being a big meanie. Those are my terms. Then I'll be happy you're sticking up for me. (You can also lynch him because you think he's scum)
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Wallz I dont remember where you asked this and Im stuck on my phone for the next 24 hours probably so Im not going to go searching but some early town reads I have.

IGCD - said too much about his role already, wants to revenge kill corrik for last game lol

Peaf - seems to be putting a lot of care and effort into his posts which for some people would be scum-leaning but for peaf i think its town

red - yeah thats town red, FD be damned. Speaking of FD, his frustration with red is very much real, but that doesnt necessarily mean hes town. Assuming he cools his head and stops going after red Id think town but if he keeps up this crusade Im undecided

Ben - Chang. greendale domination.
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I believe Ctes is the only player who has yet to check in. I hope hes doing well and we can get some content from him today.

Based on the number and content of posts aimed at one another I really dont think Taco and Knightz are paired. Its unlikely two new scum players would want to draw attention to one another, its unlikely any veteran scummates would encourage or allow it imo, and I think two new players attempting scum theatre would come across so authentically.
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What bait? This is 100% a one way thing. I have been calling you scum that's all.
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*would not come across so authentically

Thanks Chang. I like your list and generally agree with it, especially peaf.
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htaeD posted...
That feels like a premature townread
He's not lying yes (I presume), but in the end thats just all a nultell.

If Isquen had ignored the fact that I voted him for no reason, I'd be hella more suspicious.

Town Isquen simply can't help but OMGUS anyone who votes him, regardless of the reason.
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Can someone (or several people) give me a recap of everything so far and then I'll try to read everything myself in a bit.
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Tacocraft545 posted...
Scum (Probably):
Knightz
Kirby
Ulti?
I don't put bussing past ulti but i don't think he'd do it to the new guy who is already nervous.

UltimaterializerX posted...
I like Deaths vibes this game. Peaf, does he pass soul read vibe check?
He has not tripped my radar in any direction so far. I will keep you updated.
~Peaf~
PeaceFrog posted...
Anyway, Kirby - if you're going to base your entire read of Blade off of what other players think, i suggest you prod wallz and igcd because they were on his team and had more of a front row seat to the whole ordeal than i did. I was furiously tunneled in on lopen for 110% of the game so i only really evaluated Blade's play in hindsight.

Duly noted. Still waiting for Blade to actually post new content, though.
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Kirby321 posted...
If Isquen had ignored the fact that I voted him for no reason, I'd be hella more suspicious.

Town Isquen simply can't help but OMGUS anyone who votes him, regardless of the reason.
Is that a fact that scum Isquen would know and be able to replicate?
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I think tunneling someone you know as a new player is generally a town thing not a scum thing. You feel more confident you know how to read this person because you know them and as such if they do anything suspicious you go for it.

I would expect new scum to find a scummate and buddy up with them which I haven't seen Knightz or Taco do.

I think they're both just town OMGUSing each other to a comical degree.
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TotallyNotMI posted...
Is that a fact that scum Isquen would know and be able to replicate?

Isquen has no diplomacy or bluff skills that's why he always gets mislynched.

I came to the same conclusion Kirby did when he reacted the way he did and feel a lot better about Kirby for doing it. If I felt a pressing need to clear Isquen I'd do the same.
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I butted heads with Isquen a lot the last game I played so I can believe this
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Lopen posted...
I think tunneling someone you know as a new player is generally a town thing not a scum thing. You feel more confident you know how to read this person because you know them and as such if they do anything suspicious you go for it.

I would expect new scum to find a scummate and buddy up with them which I haven't seen Knightz or Taco do.

I think they're both just town OMGUSing each other to a comical degree.
Hmm. This is an interesting take.
~Peaf~
changmas posted...
red - yeah thats town red,
As someone who correctly caught red as scum only once, I don't understand how you can make this claim when he's basically only posted about sbell and semantics.
~Peaf~
I have not played a lot of mafia with new players BUT I have played deception games in person with new players in party settings a lot and I definitely feel like antagonizing the person you know best is a common thread among those games

Couples LOVE to go at each other's throats
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Lopen posted...
I think tunneling someone you know as a new player is generally a town thing not a scum thing. You feel more confident you know how to read this person because you know them and as such if they do anything suspicious you go for it.

I would expect new scum to find a scummate and buddy up with them which I haven't seen Knightz or Taco do.

I think they're both just town OMGUSing each other to a comical degree

im closer to this take than to the other side fwiw but i havent ruled out either at the moment

if Luis Guzman is a safelist claim then Knightz picked it with no coaching / prior planning given that both FD and I called it out in the ever important signup topic

after how last game went I struggle to think that scum team wouldnt try and coach Knightz a bit
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Not that I'm saying they're a couple obviously just that in a party a couple would be two people you'd expect to know each other best

And it happens pretty much every time. I'm struggling to think of instances where it didn't.
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PeaceFrog posted...
As someone who correctly caught red as scum only once, I don't understand how you can make this claim when he's basically only posted about sbell and semantics.

frankly i dont think scum red engages FD like that even over dumb semantics. probably wouldnt even address the question or at most say one line and then afk again
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getting in a stupid argument that 90% of the players in the game dont care about is town-sided generally imo
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changmas posted...
frankly i dont think scum red engages FD like that even over dumb semantics. probably wouldnt even address the question or at most say one line and then afk again

I'm leaning that too

I also think Red doesn't humor my questions about FD at all unless he was thinking it had value in trying to determine if FD was town or scum (as scum he already knows this)

Red ignoring me is the easiest thing in the world
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Calling someone a bad player who cant read people is not an insult. Hell, calling someones play bad instead of their person is the exact line hosts always use in their rules as an example of what the exact line is.

That is not (for example only here!!!!!!!) me saying hes a troll and etc etc etc etc, which actually is over the line and I should not have posted it. My fault for getting baited and it wont happen again.

It's not the first time you've called for Lopen to not be allowed to play, nor is it the first time you've been called out for it and subsequently apologized for taking things too far.

I don't know if you've behaved like this as scum, but as mentioned it does start to feel manipulative.

Probably best if you and Lopen just ignore each other and leave it to others to town or scum read you both.
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Lopen posted...
Couples LOVE to go at each other's throats
Hornyposting smh

Anyway, ctes, i don't even know where to start to summarize the game so far. There have been a number of different threads, which i think generally involve the following groups in order:
  1. Sbell/wallz/blade
  2. Ulti/lopen
  3. Knightz/taco
  4. Fd/red


MI has been present and involved in conversations and had quality assessments. Kirby has claimed scum. Chang has been weird.
~Peaf~
Although I don't exactly townclear FD for it because I keep going back to thinking it could have been a ploy to appear active
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UltimaterializerX posted...
how dirty do we want to play here

pretty sure we can blitz knightz rn and dont need to scan him

This cant be a town post.

What town says this like 3 hours into day one?
I liked it. He was not asking if we should blitz lynch him - he was asking if we should abuse Knightz new player lack of knowledge to get telling information out of him. Which is similar to how he immediately town cleared Knightz last game. If there is any doubt I guess its that he asked if its okay instead of just doing it, but i can see the hesitation being legit
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changmas posted...
frankly i dont think scum red engages FD like that even over dumb semantics. probably wouldnt even address the question or at most say one line and then afk again
I see. Thank you.
~Peaf~
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Probably best if you and Lopen just ignore each other and leave it to others to town or scum read you both.

I dislike that my read on Ulti is invalidated because he's being a jerk to me

This is not some mutual animosity. I have no quarrel with Ulti. I think I can read him at a well above average clip and think he's scum in this game. I don't think this should be ignored because he's being mean to me particularly because I voted him before my name came out of his mouth
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changmas posted...
if Luis Guzman is a safelist claim then Knightz picked it with no coaching / prior planning given that both FD and I called it out in the ever important signup topic

after how last game went I struggle to think that scum team wouldnt try and coach Knightz a bit

Knightz certainly doesn't feel like he's being coached, but that doesn't necessarily make him town.

I did remember we talked about Guzman in the signup topic, but then what are there chances that that specific flavor was actually included in the game AND that knightz was assigned exactly that flavor.

I can easily imagine a scenario where an uncoached scum knightz knows he can't claim his actual flavor, so he pulls the first thing he remembers out of the pregame topic and uses that instead. He certainly wasn't going to claim the "creepy" human being that I said looked like a serial killer.

I don't like to put much stock in meta arguments though, but it would be ironic if knightz got hard town cleared by it last game and damned by it this game
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I had a similar thought at first but if Knightz is scum he would have a safe list and I don't think he'd claim from not on the safe list
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
Luis could certainly be on the safe list thought - but him picking the name from the signup topic instead of a safe list ehhhh
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
I will say if one of the two is scum it's 100% Knightz. Also on the coaching front "get a vanilla claim out early" feels like something that could be told and possibly misinterpreted

Taco has felt more staunchly OMGUS of the two. Knightz is doing a bit of a meandering/blending.
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Lopen posted...
Although I don't exactly townclear FD for it because I keep going back to thinking it could have been a ploy to appear active

I didn't need to cite red to appear active. I WAS active and then I also voted red for disappearing after it seemed like he returned to the game.

I couldn't have known it would turn into an hour of red gaslighting my interpretation of what he said in the few posts he has made.

I don't like this narrative getting pushed that the only thing I've done is have a shouting match with red just because that was the loudest thing and it happened after the activity more or less died.
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Speaking from experience as someone who was scum in lea's last game (literature) - she puts in a ton of effort for her fake claim lists AND flavor provided for them. Her writing skills are something we should all envy, and we should not assume that any claim in this game is real just because it's consistent formatting and writing and syntax and quality as real town flavors.

Of course it's always possible for someone to have to claim before they have something prepared, or for scum to go PeafMode and yeet themselves off of a cliff for no reason with an especially bad claim, but don't call a claim good just because it doesn't look fake.
~Peaf~
Lopen posted...
I will say if one of the two is scum it's 100% Knightz. Also on the coaching front "get a vanilla claim out early" feels like something that could be told and possibly misinterpreted

Taco has felt more staunchly OMGUS of the two. Knightz is doing a bit of a meandering/blending.
What does OMGUS mean?
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Lopen posted...
I will say if one of the two is scum it's 100% Knightz. Also on the coaching front "get a vanilla claim out early" feels like something that could be told and possibly misinterpreted

Taco has felt more staunchly OMGUS of the two. Knightz is doing a bit of a meandering/blending.
Knightz also posted something about 'getting his claim ready' which just instantly made me think he was asking on discord how he should claim
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
Oh my GOD you suck

Basically "you voted for me so now i will vote for you, take that!"
~Peaf~
Tacocraft545 posted...
What does OMGUS mean?

It means you're suspecting him because he suspects you
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Note also

Given Ulti is scum and there has been a lot of talk about the two not being paired I could see him going hard on the town of the two so the town one isn't "confirmed" if the scum flipped

Knightz has also shown a lot less energy this game in general.

Strangely after saying they're both town I'm talking myself into scum Knightz

Still think there are at least two better lynches today though
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TotallyNotMI posted...
Knightz also posted something about 'getting his claim ready' which just instantly made me think he was asking on discord how he should claim

Was that the order? I thought he claimed the flavor right away and then took time to answer me when I asked for WHY the flavor was vanilla.

I'll look for the timeline in a bit if I can, but my break is ending now.
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it's funny, all this time I never knew OMGUS essentially meant a counter vote
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Was that the order? I thought he claimed the flavor right away and then took time to answer me when I asked for WHY the flavor was vanilla.

I'll look for the timeline in a bit if I can, but my break is ending now.
No, you're right. But the fact that it took him a long time to answer your why and then said he was spending that time 'preparing' was suspicious
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
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