Community Mafia Topic 9 - Therapeutical Applications of Nooses

Anyway I'm going to bed

Suspicious as he may be, I implore you to not just stall the rest of the day on Corrik. Be sure to consider other options, like Peaf. Even though he didn't want the day to stall on Corrik either and proposed Red as his biggest scumread, he didn't even push him when he had votes. Look, the Corrik works in mysterious ways, and sometimes you just have to accept that's how he is, kind of like Lopen. Lynching town for playing the same way they always do is how town loses games.

That being said Corrik is just vanilla so I guess it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I just feel like he's going to flip town. Not enough pushback on the lynch imo and his vanilla claim after I claimed I targeted him felt genuine

Corrik7 posted...

Ctes town.

You I don't know.

See I feel like you consistently talk around my posts. In the past that is. Yet you focus a lot on Ctes', despite already calling him town.
Part of me does think this is just you trying to teach players a lesson for after your lynch, but its still odd.

Corrik7 posted...

So then yes. You think death is simply town because ulti simply has said you are town. You have no analysis of the player slot nor intend to do any, including on Ulti, simply because Ulti has proclaimed you town.

I thought Death looked pretty towny day 1 because he seemed less careful. It was good vibes. If he has some scan or whatever on him on top of that then he is probably, not confirmed, but probably town. I have no interest in pursuing him.

Ugh I can't believe I'm doing this

##Unvote:
##Vote: Peaf

MZero posted...

Be sure to consider other options, like Peaf. Even though he didn't want the day to stall on Corrik either and proposed Red as his biggest scumread, he didn't even push him when he had votes.

This is why my vote came onto Peaf to begin with yes

Votals
[3] Corrik - Ulti, Kirby, (IGCD), (MI), IGCD. (Death)
[3] Peaf - (Corrik), Blade, Mzero, MI
[2] Red - Peaf, FD, (Mzero)
[0] Ctes - (Death)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends May 6th at 6 pm EST.

Red13n iso, through the end of t6. Gotta get back to work after this. Bolded the key parts.

T3p6 - red continues to grill me on how i called Lopen "dead", vs just being not here. In hindsight, feels reminiscient of Wallz using the "expelled" language in his fake claim. Taco asks for an update, red calls Knightz confirmed scum. This is the first time he's said anything about Knightz' actual play in the game. What's funny here is red doesn't realize that Taco already voted for him. But red has been around, guys, he swears! Then i voted red for knowing too much and he said he just knows how to read a player list. Again, getting argumentative over semantics. To close the page out, red says it's bad parenting that Knightz made a discord account at a young age. Real good contributions to the game.
T3p7 - nonsense interactions with igcd where igcd is silly and red gives him attention.
T3p8 - calls death scum.
T4p7 - gone for almost a full topic's worth, returns because fd brings up their argument from t1 & t2 again, in response to Chang saying something about fd from it. Red calls himself petty and is snarky towards fd. Calls death "Fine" (no clue what that means) and wallz "angry" after Chang pointedly asks what red thinks of him. This is the first time red has said wallz' name in 44 hours.
T4p8 - walks back from calling Knightz outright scum, and soft defends him : "If I had reason to lynch knightz it is him parroting the stupid argument that he couldn't possibly be scum because communication. It felt weird, to say the least. But I'm not sure I necessarily agree that hes been completely different from last game. Hes been just as hard to follow." Votes for Kirby because Kirby just voted for him after "not being here for hours". Pot, kettle? This is the second omgus vote that red has done in a single game day. Then the two of them have a pissing match that goes through t4p9. Red and igcd have another weird interaction where red jokes that he's the hammerer, not igcd. Then is pedantic towards Ulti and votes mi for being really passive with 2.3 hours to go before end of day.
T4p10 - brief interaction with death discussing ANOTHER past game. By this point i think red has posted about past games almost as much as the current one.
T5p1, makes his second post re: wallz - "Ugh I'm trying to remember the last time wallz was scum because I feel like he may have been unusually angry in that one too but memory isn't clear enough on this." Doesn't really say anything but is on mi's case for being too passive! Then he and fd waffled on what wallz was like when he was in bloodborne as scum. Again, talking more about a past game than the current one.
T5p8 - comes back to now call death a town lock because death voiced suspicion about Knightz calling red a town lock. Was Knightz trying to protect red the same way he did wallz? Either way, red went from "death is scum" on t3p8, to death is "Fine" on t4p7, and death is "lock town" on t5p8. Only one he gave a reason for was to call him town. Feels like he's trying to show a progression of thought without actually saying anything about it. Anyway, Blade now asks why and red says that no scum mate would call bs on their partner like that. Which to me sounds ridiculous because that's not that crazy of a thing to do.
T5p9 - Blade pushes back on red and says too many people are town clearing for bad reasons, and red says his are good unlike others'. Says that mzero's slot is "almost certainly clean".
T6p2 - Corrik/ Blade standoff starts, red "can't tell who is joking or being serious". Pretty neutral way to respond to it. Elaborates by saying "idk what to think".
T6p3 - tells igcd that if he shoots someone on d5 "we just lynch you".
T6p4 - Ben suggests that a team with Corrik on it would absolutely use the vote blocker on themselves, and red replies by saying yeah most teams would.
T6p5 - has 3 posts to say he doesn't care about flavor with claims especially since he doesn't know anything.
T6p7 - says Ulti isn't lock town but is unlikely scum, and that igcd probably isn't aligned with a mafia team because of how he acted with the Knightz lynch. Kirby demands a same time with Wallz and red calls it spicy. Death asks why he's town and red says "i don't remember but the post is back there." Doesn't sound like red even believes his own read! Also complains about having to wait for the wallz/ Kirby same time - if red is town, why not just leave again and come back later? The only reason for you to try to stay awake for it is if you think you will need to work with Wallz on the discord chat to do damage control.

UltimaterializerX posted...

How do you know his role?

He claimed vanilla.

I am too, obviously. Don't really care if i die, at least i helped make this day 3 valuable.

Enchantress posted...

Votals
[3] Corrik - Ulti, Kirby, (IGCD), (MI), IGCD. (Death)
[3] Peaf - (Corrik), Blade, Mzero, MI
[2] Red - Peaf, FD, (Mzero)
[0] Ctes - (Death)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends May 6th at 6 pm EST.

I never voted for red, Lea. That's why we're in this to begin with :)

Anyway the tldr is red said basically nothing about Knightz or wallz whatsoever and spent more time being pedantic, discussing past games, or complaining than he did anything else.

So now that i can call it more than gut like it was before... drum roll please...
##Vote: red

TotallyNotMI posted...

Ugh I can't believe I'm doing this

##Unvote:
##Vote: Peaf

But why did you do it given you haven't really said anything in a while

PeaceFrog posted...

- if red is town, why not just leave again and come back later? The only reason for you to try to stay awake for it is if you think you will need to work with Wallz on the discord chat to do damage control.

Because i was curious and mafia is exciting.
PeaceFrog posted...

Doesn't sound like red even believes his own read!

What the fuck. Thats the opposite of dont believe my own read. Literally trust my read entirely i just needed to reference my own post for the exact detail. I dont commit everything to memory i just trust myself.

Votals
[3] Corrik - Ulti, Kirby, (IGCD), (MI), IGCD. (Death)
[3] Peaf - (Corrik), Blade, Mzero, MI
[3] Red- Ben, FD, (Mzero), Peaf
[0] Ctes - (Death)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends May 6th at 6 pm EST.

I said why earlier. Top of my head idk put the post is back in there.

This is literally what you are trying to say was me not stsnding by my read.

This is literally me saying go reference what i said.

I have to say I trust the voters on Red quite a bit less than the voters on Corrik and Peaf.

htaeD posted...

See I feel like you consistently talk around my posts. In the past that is. Yet you focus a lot on Ctes', despite already calling him town.
Part of me does think this is just you trying to teach players a lesson for after your lynch, but its still odd.

I'm concerned that Ctes if town is being manipulated. If ulti or you are scum, he won't even consider you because ulti says he is town without even a real claim. Is he gonna continue to be paralyzed tomorrow if ulti says tomorrow red or peaf or whoever is town if ulti simply says so and continues saying he confirms it.

It's bad play to just buy everything someone says just because you agree with the assessment. Can't wait for 4 mislynches to be like ohhh maybe he isn't town and all the stuff he fed me is bs. Or maybe he assumed his role was golden and he hit something that circumvent his role.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Rude. Unfriended.

Kirby is fine and IGCD is just going from meme to direct vote. Ill allow it.

Like how is it being rude to you to say I trust Ben/FD/Peaf less than the other groups of 3

Also yes, i stayed awake for the purpose of cosching wallz into a stupid as fuck obvscum claim when he could have just claimed vanilla.

Real solid argument peaf.

UltimaterializerX posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps4/402329-final-fantasy-vi-pixel-remaster/reviews/175894

4500 word review for one of the GOATs.

He gave it a 10. Ulti is town

PeaceFrog posted...

T6p2 - Corrik/ Blade standoff starts, red "can't tell who is joking or being serious". Pretty neutral way to respond to it. Elaborates by saying "idk what to think".

The death flip flop you pointed out is weird. But again, if me and Blade are both town. Scum would know we are both town here and think it's likely.

Meow1000 posted...

But why did you do it given you haven't really said anything in a while

I don't have a whole lot to say! All three of peaf/Corrik/red look back but I'm being swayed by the pointing out that peaf conveniently ignored voting red over corrik. It's not a good look.

A big part of me wants to stay the course on corrik but I'm feeling doubts about it.

Corrik7 posted...

The death flip flop you pointed out is weird. But again, if me and Blade are both town. Scum

The desth flip flop os literally completely made up by peaf. It is not something that actually happened.

Plus a three way tie is spicy. 9 people don't have votes down. Let's see what happens when the day isn't just stagnant!

TotallyNotMI posted...

Plus a three way tie is spicy. 9 people don't have votes down. Let's see what happens when the day isn't just stagnant!

Uh

MI can you do the math again

Also I'm just not feeling Red lynch here.

Leafeon13N posted...

The desth flip flop os literally completely made up by peaf. It is not something that actually happened.

What actually happened

UltimaterializerX posted...

Even if he flips town, we get info number one, and number two it would start the rule 1 timer on our mutual friend over there. I dont think he flips town tho.

There is recent precedent here for Corrik as vanilla getting mislynched and this isnt it.

You could just town confirm me tonight. Wouldn't the info be there regardless?

BTW that's /s. For those at home.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I don't have a whole lot to say! All three of peaf/Corrik/red look back but I'm being swayed by the pointing out that peaf conveniently ignored voting red over corrik. It's not a good look.

How do you get by with this. Conveniently ignored voting red over Corrik? I never voted anyone until just a little bit ago. And i thought Corrik was town but can understand why people want to have him resolved. You're not saying anything here, MI.

Leafeon13N posted...

Real solid argument peaf.

Thank you. Die, scum.

The argument centers around you flip flopping on death for no reason, being inconsistent on Knightz for no reason, not interacting with or commenting on wallz except when directly asked by Chang and your only response being "oh idk let's talk about a past game", dropping tmi knowledge to call me out re: Lopen, and having the most non-reaction possible to Corrik/ Blade. I think you know that both are town and you wanted to be present but not actually commit to anything.

But it's nice of you to try to nitpick.

I said the post for why death is town is posted and to look it up. It was early morning and i was tired and trying to sleep.

Leafeon13N posted...

The desth flip flop os literally completely made up by peaf. It is not something that actually happened.

False. I gave topics and pages. Anyone can go back and look.

Red did in fact call Death town early day 2, quoted those posts somewhere today.

PeaceFrog posted...

But it's nice of you to try to nitpick

You made basically an entire post of knitpicking. How dare i point out things that are just not true.

PeaceFrog posted...

False. I gave topics and pages. Anyone can go back and look.

There isn't flip flopping. You are choosing to completely misinterprate.

Corrik7 posted...

I'm concerned that Ctes if town is being manipulated. If ulti or you are scum, he won't even consider you because ulti says he is town without even a real claim. Is he gonna continue to be paralyzed tomorrow if ulti says tomorrow red or peaf or whoever is town if ulti simply says so and continues saying he confirms it.

It's bad play to just buy everything someone says just because you agree with the assessment. Can't wait for 4 mislynches to be like ohhh maybe he isn't town and all the stuff he fed me is bs. Or maybe he assumed his role was golden and he hit something that circumvent his role.

This is kinda based on nothing I feel, but don't worry buddy, I specifically noted on my list that Death was probably town because Ulti is probably town. I am not one to lock anything in, but I don't see any reason to pursue it for today. I also don't town think Ulti is town because of his claim, and eventually he will have to full claim. It does not need to be today however.

But I am very much listening if someone wants to go after Death or Ulti.

PeaceFrog posted...

Red13n iso, through the end of t6. Gotta get back to work after this. Bolded the key parts.

T3p6 - red continues to grill me on how i called Lopen "dead", vs just being not here. In hindsight, feels reminiscient of Wallz using the "expelled" language in his fake claim. Taco asks for an update, red calls Knightz confirmed scum. This is the first time he's said anything about Knightz' actual play in the game. What's funny here is red doesn't realize that Taco already voted for him. But red has been around, guys, he swears! Then i voted red for knowing too much and he said he just knows how to read a player list. Again, getting argumentative over semantics. To close the page out, red says it's bad parenting that Knightz made a discord account at a young age. Real good contributions to the game.
T3p7 - nonsense interactions with igcd where igcd is silly and red gives him attention.
T3p8 - calls death scum.
T4p7 - gone for almost a full topic's worth, returns because fd brings up their argument from t1 & t2 again, in response to Chang saying something about fd from it. Red calls himself petty and is snarky towards fd. Calls death "Fine" (no clue what that means) and wallz "angry" after Chang pointedly asks what red thinks of him. This is the first time red has said wallz' name in 44 hours.
T4p8 - walks back from calling Knightz outright scum, and soft defends him : "If I had reason to lynch knightz it is him parroting the stupid argument that he couldn't possibly be scum because communication. It felt weird, to say the least. But I'm not sure I necessarily agree that hes been completely different from last game. Hes been just as hard to follow." Votes for Kirby because Kirby just voted for him after "not being here for hours". Pot, kettle? This is the second omgus vote that red has done in a single game day. Then the two of them have a pissing match that goes through t4p9. Red and igcd have another weird interaction where red jokes that he's the hammerer, not igcd. Then is pedantic towards Ulti and votes mi for being really passive with 2.3 hours to go before end of day.
T4p10 - brief interaction with death discussing ANOTHER past game. By this point i think red has posted about past games almost as much as the current one.
T5p1, makes his second post re: wallz - "Ugh I'm trying to remember the last time wallz was scum because I feel like he may have been unusually angry in that one too but memory isn't clear enough on this." Doesn't really say anything but is on mi's case for being too passive! Then he and fd waffled on what wallz was like when he was in bloodborne as scum. Again, talking more about a past game than the current one.
T5p8 - comes back to now call death a town lock because death voiced suspicion about Knightz calling red a town lock. Was Knightz trying to protect red the same way he did wallz? Either way, red went from "death is scum" on t3p8, to death is "Fine" on t4p7, and death is "lock town" on t5p8. Only one he gave a reason for was to call him town. Feels like he's trying to show a progression of thought without actually saying anything about it. Anyway, Blade now asks why and red says that no scum mate would call bs on their partner like that. Which to me sounds ridiculous because that's not that crazy of a thing to do.
T5p9 - Blade pushes back on red and says too many people are town clearing for bad reasons, and red says his are good unlike others'. Says that mzero's slot is "almost certainly clean".
T6p2 - Corrik/ Blade standoff starts, red "can't tell who is joking or being serious". Pretty neutral way to respond to it. Elaborates by saying "idk what to think".
T6p3 - tells igcd that if he shoots someone on d5 "we just lynch you".
T6p4 - Ben suggests that a team with Corrik on it would absolutely use the vote blocker on themselves, and red replies by saying yeah most teams would.
T6p5 - has 3 posts to say he doesn't care about flavor with claims especially since he doesn't know anything.
T6p7 - says Ulti isn't lock town but is unlikely scum, and that igcd probably isn't aligned with a mafia team because of how he acted with the Knightz lynch. Kirby demands a same time with Wallz and red calls it spicy. Death asks why he's town and red says "i don't remember but the post is back there." Doesn't sound like red even believes his own read! Also complains about having to wait for the wallz/ Kirby same time - if red is town, why not just leave again and come back later? The only reason for you to try to stay awake for it is if you think you will need to work with Wallz on the discord chat to do damage control.

That's the kind of argument that would get me to vote Red right now if I wasnt already.

The difference between t3p8 and t5p8 is Knightz flipping scum and Red specifically calling Death town based on interactions with Knightz.

Red, were you planning on lynching Corrik today or no?

Like I mean seriously, I don't even need to read the posts to know that's the context of why Red's opinion on Death changed.

Meow1000 posted...

The difference between t3p8 and t5p8 is Knightz flipping scum and Red specifically calling Death town based on interactions with Knightz.

And you yourself cast doubt on that conclusion of those interactions at the time.

Meow1000 posted...

Uh

MI can you do the math again

Also I'm just not feeling Red lynch here.

Man I have a masters in math too :(

6 don't

Leafeon13N posted...

You made basically an entire post of knitpicking. How dare i point out things that are just not true.

"Peaf won't make any argument on red, he must be scum"
"Peaf made a detailed argument post by post across 6 topics of red, what a meanie"

PeaceFrog posted...

And you yourself cast doubt on that conclusion of those interactions at the time.

Completely inaccurate.

Red called Death town. I asked why. Red gave his reasons. I did not question or suspect Red on these reasons any further.

Man Lea just bumped a topic from day 1 where otherwise the last post was me saying Death and Ulti felt towny.

But sure it's just the claim.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I don't have a whole lot to say! All three of peaf/Corrik/red look back but I'm being swayed by the pointing out that peaf conveniently ignored voting red over corrik. It's not a good look.

Still waiting for you to explain any of what this means, mi.