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Emeraldegg
05/12/2024
06:55 PM
#51
oh you know what, I totally did forget about him, I keep forgetting only one of the thompson twins is a forward. Fair enough!
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LiquidOshawott
05/12/2024
06:56 PM
#52
Honestly Washington might get Topic, they dont have a quality starting point

I think Sarr goes one unless someone really jumps out, Houston honestly might just go for a big to back up Sengun so theyre in a pretty luxurious spot depending on what Washington does
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v_charon
05/12/2024
10:13 PM
#53
I think the writing is on the wall now. Thinking Nuggets in 6. Pretty unfortunate for long-time fans of the team to have to witness all the overhyping and hoopla the media gave us; at the end of the day, we just aren't ready for a title run. Edwards is too young and perhaps after all, KAT isn't going to be the second guy they need.
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colliding
05/12/2024
10:17 PM
#54
v_charon posted...
I think the writing is on the wall now. Thinking Nuggets in 6. Pretty unfortunate for long-time fans of the team to have to witness all the overhyping and hoopla the media gave us; at the end of the day, we just aren't ready for a title run. Edwards is too young and perhaps after all, KAT isn't going to be the second guy they need.

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Leonhart4
05/12/2024
10:19 PM
#55
The Nuggets aren't the champs for nothing. They were never going to just lay down and get swept.
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Sorozone
05/12/2024
10:23 PM
#56
Ant reminds me of Booker from last year. Absolutely on fire the whole time, but it just wasn't enough against the Nuggets.
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Sorozone
05/12/2024
10:25 PM
#57
I also think the Wolves would benefit from trading one of KAT or Gobert(If the do end up losing the series that is).
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v_charon
05/12/2024
10:28 PM
#58
I feel like Gobert would be harder to get value for, not saying he isn't good or anything. I feel like just having Naz Reid start and getting some good players in exchange for KAT would be a good thing.
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Leonhart4
05/12/2024
10:28 PM
#59
I don't know that you can trade Gobert this soon after all you gave up to get him. I think Minnesota would be better off moving on from KAT though.
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MZero
05/12/2024
10:41 PM
#60
v_charon posted...
I feel like Gobert would be harder to get value for, not saying he isn't good or anything. I feel like just having Naz Reid start and getting some good players in exchange for KAT would be a good thing.

could I interest you in Bradley Beal
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v_charon
05/12/2024
11:05 PM
#61
He'd probably be a better fit than he is on the Suns, but that could be literally any team I think. I still think I'll have to take a hard pass though.
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MZero
05/13/2024
03:28 AM
#62
How loud is the "Minnesota is better without Gobert" discourse if they lose in six
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v_charon
05/13/2024
06:47 AM
#63
I don't think it's very. They had one great game in Game 2 without him; he still played Game 1 which they also won. I don't think the issue has been defense very much, it was fine last night. Offensively we have clearly been very bad the last two games, and yeah Gobert is not an offensive player but the guys who are supposed to be scoring aren't. I feel like only dummies would say that.
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
09:33 AM
#65
Man, KAT is so disrespected. He has arguably his best shooting season to date, shooting over 50% for the playoffs, nary a peep. One bad game, suddenly it's KAT has to go.

Maybe reid is better per dollar, but that won't be the case much longer considering reid is gonna turn down his PO after next season. I just wish KATs strengths were recognized as much as his weaknesses.
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SeabassDebeste
05/13/2024
10:02 AM
#66
i think it's just expectations - the guy is one of the highest paid players in the league and was picked #1 overall. people at that level just get fewer pats on the back. wiggins is kinda the same. it's also just hard to shake a whole NBA career of losing.
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NBIceman
05/13/2024
10:08 AM
#67
I've always been a KAT fan but I do think it's fair to question whether it's a good idea to still have him on the Wolves next year. Even with Conley getting cheaper, the extensions for Ant and McDaniels kicking in are going to make that team expensive.

And I still think Reid will have an argument to be a better player per dollar on his next contract. It's not like he's going to be getting $30m a year.
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v_charon
05/13/2024
10:16 AM
#68
I do love KAT, really I do. But logically speaking, unless they can prove they can win the title with this team I can't see any argument for keeping it like it is right now. It's too expensive to not be a title contender. It's going to look really shitty if we lose 4 straight after going up 2-0 and coming back home, and honestly I just see that happening. The momentum has totally shifted and things like that are usually pretty hard to reverse. I'd like to be proven wrong and see this team succeed, and I think if they do at least reach the conference finals there will be likely no change on the team next year.

But I think losing here, especially in this fashion, will dictate that change has to happen.
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
10:26 AM
#69
I mean you still have to make salaries match so it's not like they're getting out of that KAT contract next year anyway, in functionality. At best you're getting relief for 25-26, and then Naz is opting out and getting paid so you aren't even saving that much.

So really it's about whether you think you can upgrade overall by trading KAT, but unless there's a team out there with 50M in cap space who would want KAT, there's not much you're doing salary wise next year.

This is kind of my problem with playoffs. Wolves were one of the best teams all year. But if they end up losing a tough series of a few games against one of the best teams in the league after dominating the first 2 of those games, my first thought as a GM would be "okay we gave them a black eye, we did hang with them, clearly this team works, what can we do to supplement it" before going to "Okay we have to trade one of our core guys"
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Shattered
05/13/2024
10:46 AM
#70
If they wanted to, the Magic can easily trade for KAT. I don't think they would as it doesn't make sense but they could easily do cap space + 1 player + picks to make salary matching work. There's teams out there that could trade for KAT if they wanted
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Leonhart4
05/13/2024
11:07 AM
#72
KAT is one of those guys whose whole is not greater than the sum of his parts.

Also he wants to be the greatest outside shooting big man of all time, for some reason, which sorta defeats the purpose of being a big man.
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MZero
05/13/2024
11:30 AM
#73
v_charon posted...
I do love KAT, really I do. But logically speaking, unless they can prove they can win the title with this team I can't see any argument for keeping it like it is right now.

The argument is that your best player is 22 and it's very rare to win as the guy before like 27. As long as Edwards is still progressing there's no rush to make big changes imo just retool around the core and hope the breaks go your way
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SeabassDebeste
05/13/2024
11:34 AM
#74
v_charon posted...
The momentum has totally shifted and things like that are usually pretty hard to reverse.

not saying that the wolves are going to win, but i don't think this is really a thing
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
11:35 AM
#75
Leonhart4 posted...
KAT is one of those guys whose whole is not greater than the sum of his parts.

Also he wants to be the greatest outside shooting big man of all time, for some reason, which sorta defeats the purpose of being a big man.
This is what the NBA wants though. Who is the last traditional center who was a max player? Embiid and Jokic can both shoot. Porzingis can shoot. Victor can shoot.

If you don't have at least some outside shooting as a big, you're just inherently limited in today's NBA. Even if it's just like, 30% from 3, if you at least make teams defend you it opens up the spacing so much. Besides, he was averaging double digit rebounds before gobert got there anyway so it's not like he wasn't performing the duties within his station.
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Leonhart4
05/13/2024
11:47 AM
#76
I mean that KAT primarily wants to shoot outside. He's not much of an interior threat, or at the very least, he doesn't put as much effort into it. There's still an advantage to being a big man even in a game that's spreading farther out, and KAT doesn't really use it.
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SeabassDebeste
05/13/2024
11:49 AM
#77
there's no space for KAT to work inside with rudy now anyway

(and without having watched the games, i suspect that's why the wolves looked "better" without rudy - offensive spacing)
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
11:57 AM
#78
I do think that's a fair criticism of KAT since he was that way before gobert even got there. But like, where's the criticism of gobert for the opposite? He doesn't stretch the floor and is good in other ways, why is KAT the one taking the heat all the time? It's fair to say KAT has weaknesses, but so does every other non-stretch big.

Like earlier charon said "The guys who are supposed to be scoring aren't" but I don't think that means gobert should be excused for having a very glaring flaw in his game (that he's never been a scorer.) The object of the game is to score, just cause you aren't good at it doesn't mean you don't get blame if you don't do it imo. If we're excusing players for flaws they've always had, then it doesn't make sense to go after KAT for not being a traditional big man, while not going after gobert for not being a stretch big man. Just make it equal.

If we're concerned that gobert would not get the same trade value that KAT would, to me that speaks volumes about who the more valuable player is.
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Leonhart4
05/13/2024
12:01 PM
#79
Gobert has been crushed for being a liability who gets run off the court during the playoffs for his entire career.

Also Gobert has at least been valued at 4 first round picks by somebody, which is more than they'll get for KAT...!

KAT takes heat because he's a #1 pick. There will always be expectations of greatness for someone in that position.
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v_charon
05/13/2024
12:03 PM
#80
As I've said before, following the Suns sweep Gobert was second overall in the entire playoffs in +/- on the court. Rudy is just a guy people love to pile on, it's been that way his entire career. When we were crushing the Suns no one was calling him out for being a liability or any sort, and there was proof to the contrary that with him on the court, the Wolves were better.
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
12:05 PM
#81
yeah and he's a 4 time all star who hsa a career 23/11 average. That's better than quite a few #1 overall picks! Wolves fans should be more concerned about how the team was managed around him for his tenure there up to now than they are about him.

I'm sorry that he didn't end up a generational talent but I think fans overestimate how often that actually happens with a #1 overall. I think he has a good argument to being the best player out of that class tbh, the only real competition imo is booker.
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
12:15 PM
#82
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d1a03e03.png
This is something I had compiled a while ago, before this season. Look at the games played per win share column, KAT has one of the fewest ratios there is, and in fact better than the average. Is it all time great? No. Is it great? Yes. And I get that it's one stat, but I think it gives a decent glimpse as to how many #1s actually do bust out vs fan expectations.
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LiquidOshawott
05/13/2024
12:19 PM
#83
I dont know if theres a great reason to trade KAT because most of the trade candidates I can think of dont have their own picks and a all star caliber player that would be a upgrade on the Wolves lineup

KAT is a very win now type of player
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catesdb
05/13/2024
12:21 PM
#84
the nuggets are a pretty good team
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WarThaNemesis2
05/13/2024
12:23 PM
#85
This is literally the best Timberwolves team in decades, it has plenty of youth, and they're doing 'horribly' by being tied 2-2 against the defending champions who have the best player since prime LeBron James.

Blowing any of it up would be monumentally stupid and exactly what the Garnett-era Timberwolves would do.
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MZero
05/13/2024
12:29 PM
#86
Emeraldegg posted...
I think he has a good argument to being the best player out of that class tbh, the only real competition imo is booker.

I don't think you can really argue KAT over Booker imo but he's at least third depending on how much you like Porzingis

also I lol'd at Anthony "302 games per win share" Bennett
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SeabassDebeste
05/13/2024
12:30 PM
#87
the question for KAT was never really if he could fill up the box score though, it's always been softness on defense/physicality and lack of team success. WS is a stat solely based on box score
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Leonhart4
05/13/2024
12:36 PM
#88
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
This is literally the best Timberwolves team in decades, it has plenty of youth, and they're doing 'horribly' by being tied 2-2 against the defending champions who have the best player since prime LeBron James.

Blowing any of it up would be monumentally stupid and exactly what the Garnett-era Timberwolves would do.

Maybe the best Minnesota team ever, really!

I don't think moving on from KAT qualifies as blowing it up though.
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
12:38 PM
#89
KAT has a higher career PER than booker, 2 All NBA selections to booker's 1, more career win shares, a better career defensive and offensive rating, among other things. I think you absolutely can argue it. Booker made a finals, hooray.
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v_charon
05/13/2024
12:45 PM
#90
I personally would take KAT over Booker. I may get frustrated with him sometimes, but Booker's best known for having Luka smile at him.
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ScareChan
05/13/2024
01:41 PM
#91
Bronny's combine measurements have a lot of people questioning his draft value
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Leonhart4
05/13/2024
01:43 PM
#92
Bronny needs at least one more year in college
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ScareChan
05/13/2024
01:44 PM
#93
I believe he's already declared himself for the draft

I feel like whatever path he takes he's going to log some significant G League minutes before he has a real chance to be useful to a team
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MZero
05/13/2024
01:49 PM
#94
Emeraldegg posted...
2 All NBA selections to booker's 1

I mean one 1st team is worth more than two 3rds imo especially when it was position based an center was kind of lacking. Also 4th in MVP voting! I would give Booker the edge in "accolades" (I use this term loosely)

the advanced stats don't do much for me (I mean, Sabonis had more offensive and defensive win shares than Luka this year) but if that's your argument I can't say you're wrong
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Leonhart4
05/13/2024
01:55 PM
#95
ScareChan posted...
I believe he's already declared himself for the draft

I feel like whatever path he takes he's going to log some significant G League minutes before he has a real chance to be useful to a team

I think he's still able to go back, even though he's already declared, but I might be mistaken about that.
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
02:15 PM
#96
MZero posted...
I mean one 1st team is worth more than two 3rds imo especially when it was position based an center was kind of lacking. Also 4th in MVP voting! I would give Booker the edge in "accolades" (I use this term loosely)

the advanced stats don't do much for me (I mean, Sabonis had more offensive and defensive win shares than Luka this year) but if that's your argument I can't say you're wrong
I'm not saying it's definitive, but I think it shouldn't be a walkover if I'm picking between the two is more what I meant. I personally would pick KAT but I wouldn't be upset if someone preferred booker.

I just think KAT is not far and away worse than him to where it's a no brainer.

Also I have also read that bronny has kept his options open and can in fact go back to college if he wants, deadline is may 29 I think. I personally think if he wants the best chance at a career, he needs to go now because I think nepotism is the only way he's sniffing an NBA roster, and if he waits lebron may retire.
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Shattered
05/13/2024
05:49 PM
#97
In a draft that is projected to be ass, I wonder how high someone is willing to take him for a shot of 1 year of LeBron
Thorn
05/13/2024
05:49 PM
#98
Leonhart4 posted...
I think he's still able to go back, even though he's already declared, but I might be mistaken about that.
Think he has until like the end of the month, yeah.
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Emeraldegg
05/13/2024
06:32 PM
#99
Shattered posted...
In a draft that is projected to be ass, I wonder how high someone is willing to take him for a shot of 1 year of LeBron
I have to imagine lebron will want him in LA rather than going somewhere else just to play with him if possible.
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Sorozone
05/13/2024
06:44 PM
#100
https://craftednba.com/players/comparison?player1=devin-booker&player2=karl-anthony-towns

I mean yeah it's close, but Booker is clearly better offensively.
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