Community Mafia Topic 14 - "Where's the Flavour?" Culinary Studies

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Board 8 » Community Mafia Topic 14 - "Where's the Flavour?" Culinary Studies
Enrolled:
1. Ben
2. Blade
3. Chang
4. Ctes
5. Death
6. FD
7. IGCD
8. Kirby
9. MI
10. Red
11. Ulti

Expelled:
[LD1] Knightz - Evil Abed, MAFIA Roleblocking Rolecop Dreamateer
[LD2] Wallz - Evil Annie, MAFIA Framing Doppelganger
[KN2] Isquen - Garret, TOWN Vanilla
[LD3] Corrik - Quendra, TOWN Vanilla
[KN3] Sbell - Annie Edison, TOWN Forensics Investigator
[LD4] Peaf - Subway, TOWN Vanilla
[KN4] Mzero (Taco) - Leonard, TOWN Taunter

Vanished:
[VD1] Lopen - ???

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends Sunday, May 12th at 6 PM EST.
Lea
Kirby, I mean this in the nicest way possible.

You are wasting your time. It's not f***ing my fault that people have an easier to discussing a weird role than trying to find scum. Just because you blocked the most obvious thingto talk about today doesn't mean that I am the one wasting time here.

Granted with the redirection that might have landed on me too.
Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc , the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest.
Just accept that the game has a role to which it is extremely beneficial to not full claim goddammit.
Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc , the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest.
And yeah, I know Ben, I think it is beneficial for you as both town and scum, both depending on my trust in you of course.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Just accept that the game has a role to which it is extremely beneficial to not full claim goddammit.

Even at MyLo?
(which I assume its not. But I feel claims should always be made before Mylo)
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Can someone please just sum up all this meta talk so I don't have to bother scrapping through a heap of posts trying to find the small handful that actually say something
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htaeD posted...
Even at MyLo?
(which I assume its not. But I feel claims should always be made before Mylo)

Honestly probably yeah.
Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc , the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest.
Ctes claimed Bookie who can bet on...something... and gets a positive or negative result
Nights 1/2/3 he wagered his own vote and lost it each time. Nothing said about what he stood to gain.
Night4 he bet his reputation and lost again and scanned guilty/as a killer that night.

He claims to be Starburns.
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I'm of course neighboring you tonight if it's an option. I'm locked out of doing Kirby again and see no benefit to picking anyone else.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Honestly probably yeah.

You realize that this is unacceptable.
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Meow1000 posted...
Can someone please just sum up all this meta talk so I don't have to bother scrapping through a heap of posts trying to find the small handful that actually say something

I have claimed Bookie.

I can choose to bet at night. I have options to choose from. The first three nights I chose to bet my vote, last night my reputation. I lost all four times. If I had won, I would have gained something instead, also depending on what I bet. I have refused to elaborate more than this because it has huge downsides, which has annoyed some people a good bit.

Also FD sent me a heart but red received it. No one has claimed anything that explains this.
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Meow1000 posted...
Can someone please just sum up all this meta talk so I don't have to bother scrapping through a heap of posts trying to find the small handful that actually say something
Ctes is saying he has to bet on something and if he's right something good will happen and if he's wrong something bad will happen. He's gotten the bad thing 4/4 times. He refuses to tell us anymore details about what things can happen or what the bets are on and we had to beg him to flavor claim.

FD claims he gave the pineapple to ctes but red is claiming he got it. The game devolved into a big talk about where this role redirection could come from. I'm proposing that there was no role redirection and that red/ctes are scum together lying about who got the pineapple to devolve the day into the mess that it became.

I also thing that Ctes is so reluctant to claim because he wasn't prepared to have to claim he was eating his own vote. My theory is Ulti is scum votestealer that has been using on Ctes. When he was roleblocked, Ctes had a vote today and had to scramble for a claim to explain this so that we don't lynch Ulti.

That's my summary with my own thoughts but other can chime in too.
We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend.
htaeD posted...
You realize that this is unacceptable.

It's unacceptable that it probably isn't good to full claim the role at MyLo? That's not my fault.

I mean, I am sure you could argue both ways, but the argument to not doing it is definitely still there. I am still not sure the benefits would be there. Perhaps it depends on the game state.
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So that's the taunter/bus driver thing.

Taunter supercedes bus driver for obvious reasons. Taunter makes itself the original target. Bus driver changes the final target from person A to person B.

Taunter always acts first. It acts at a different part of the night phase.
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So to sum it up, a taunter could taunt a kill to themselves, and after that it can be driven off by a bus driver.

The roles don't contradict.
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If we had more leeway and less trust in Ulti I would say that Kirby should block Ulti again and Ctes should wager his vote again.
But there's way too many weak points with that plan.
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Meow1000 posted...
So that's the taunter/bus driver thing.

Taunter supercedes bus driver for obvious reasons. Taunter makes itself the original target. Bus driver changes the final target from person A to person B.

Taunter always acts first. It acts at a different part of the night phase.

The opening rules say otherwise.
But we dont have anything to suggest it was a busdriver anyway.
Scum have had 'pull actions away from player' roles before
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The real question is why in god's name would Ctes and Red be the target

The only possible argument would be that one sent the kill and the bus was used on the kill sender to circumvent Kirby.

If FD is town, one of Ctes/Red must be scum.
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Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
TotallyNotMI posted...
. I'm proposing that there was no role redirection and that red/ctes are scum together lying about who got the pineapple to devolve the day into the mess that it became.
Yeah well i am proposing that you are full of shit because this is way more scum theater than i would ever care to attempt.

The reward on this simply would never be worth the effort. The fuck is even the end goal of this? Throw extra shade on both me and ctes?
We had another argument that scum didnt want Red to be scanned
We cant be sure Red was swapped with anyone else on any other nights I think.
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htaeD posted...
The opening rules say otherwise.
But we dont have anything to suggest it was a busdriver anyway.
Scum have had 'pull actions away from player' roles before
Opening rules are nonsense because they don't take into account special interactions like redirects taking affect before roleblocks unless the redirector themselves is blocked. Taunter and bus driver in no way contradict each other as roles.
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Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
MI has a theory or something that requires the scumteam to be exactly Ulti/Ctes/Red where we tied ourselves to each other or it falls apart. Which also then basically ignores everything that happened in the game except last night's actions.

Can that really be made in good faith.
Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc , the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest.
htaeD posted...
We had another argument that scum didnt want Red to be scanned
We cant be sure Red was swapped with anyone else on any other nights I think.
Regardless, if FD is telling the truth, Ctes/Red must contain a scum.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Come to think of it, why hasn't Ctes just been gambling his reputation the entire time after SBell's flip and Ulti already claimed a scan on him? Literally no downside to scanning guilty after already being scanned, especially when the alternative is losing your vote.
Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure
Soo... how was your day?
Unless scum bussed two town members but.. Why? Either the kill or the bus could be blocked.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Kirby321 posted...
Come to think of it, why hasn't Ctes just been gambling his reputation the entire time after SBell's flip and Ulti already claimed a scan on him? Literally no downside to scanning guilty after already being scanned, especially when the alternative is losing your vote.
...He did?
Sbell didnt die til night3.
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Kirby321 posted...
Come to think of it, why hasn't Ctes just been gambling his reputation the entire time after SBell's flip and Ulti already claimed a scan on him? Literally no downside to scanning guilty after already being scanned, especially when the alternative is losing your vote.

Then I would have had been forced to claim when no one missed their vote. Today I knew I would be anyways.
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Meow1000 posted...
Unless scum bussed two town members but.. Why? Either the kill or the bus could be blocked.

*shrug*
I think scum would rather bus one of their own with town. And since Ctes already got scanned he at least makes sense as the distraction target.
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And also everyone else had claimed. I didn't want to risk a potential tracker to cost a mislynch on both me and them.
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htaeD posted...
If we had more leeway and less trust in Ulti I would say that Kirby should block Ulti again and Ctes should wager his vote again.
But there's way too many weak points with that plan.
Why... say that though? Unless you don't have trust in Ulti
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Meow1000 posted...
Regardless, if FD is telling the truth, Ctes/Red must contain a scum.

Not with what death just said.

The idea was that they didn't want to lost a mislynch target in red.

It also works with him being scum but yeah.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
MI has a theory or something that requires the scumteam to be exactly Ulti/Ctes/Red where we tied ourselves to each other or it falls apart. Which also then basically ignores everything that happened in the game except last night's actions.

Can that really be made in good faith.
Ulti/You as a team by his logic works, but it likely does not include Red. Red lacks any clear motive to tie himself to that kind of lie.

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Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
ctesjbuvf posted...
And also everyone else had claimed. I didn't want to risk a potential tracker to cost a mislynch on both me and them.
Potential tracker what
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Meow1000 posted...
Ulti/You as a team by his logic works, but it likely does not include Red. Red lacks any clear motive to tie himself to that kind of lie.

Yes and his theory was that red and I are lying about who received the heart from FD, which is why it sucks.
Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc , the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest.
The rest of his theory is logically sound.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
ctesjbuvf posted...
And also everyone else had claimed. I didn't want to risk a potential tracker to cost a mislynch on both me and them.

?
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To the point where it's as simple as both you and Ulti are scum or neither of you are.

I don't think this ever splits 1-1.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Meow1000 posted...
Potential tracker what

When I bet my vote and not my reputation. I did not want to risk someone seeing my at the night kill and town getting a mislynch because of it. That stopped mattering when all claims were out.
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Meow1000 posted...
The real question is why in god's name would Ctes and Red be the target

The only possible argument would be that one sent the kill and the bus was used on the kill sender to circumvent Kirby.

If FD is town, one of Ctes/Red must be scum.
Can you explain for me. Is this with redirection, bus driving, or swapping? Because I do think FD is town
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Also a scum vote sealer can both counter Chang by targeting him directly, or be countered by Chang's power when targeting someone else.
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Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
changmas posted...
?

Yeah of course not two, my flip would not get the tracker killed. My bad. But still one potential mislynch.
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changmas posted...
?
Yeah, right how would the tracker get mis lynched if you flipped what you're claiming lol
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PunishedBen posted...
Why... say that though? Unless you don't have trust in Ulti

I trust him enough to want to get him to maybe scan someone again.
BUT I also like throwing out ideas that may turn out to be the best plan ever in postgame.

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htaeD posted...
...He did?
Sbell didnt die til night3.

You're right. I can't do math oof
Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure
Soo... how was your day?
Honestly Ctes I just wish we could stop talking about you too.
That way we can get back to people like me
<.< >.>

On that note, I am sleeping.
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PunishedBen posted...
Can you explain for me. Is this with redirection, bus driving, or swapping? Because I do think FD is town
Because it suggests for some reason scum wanted things to flip on the two of them. The cop theory works, but another theory also works.

Ulti targets Red. Ctes fires the kill. Third scum busses Red and Ctes.

Even if Kirby blocked Red, the kill is stopped but Red instantly gets lynched for it. With the game at an odd number, that kind of tradeoff doesn't hurt scum.

I give it low odds Ctes and Red are both scum but very high odds one is.
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Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Why are we even talking about trackers a day and a half after mass
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Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Someone asked about not betting reputation instead of vote sooner.
Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc , the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest.
And if Ctes is scum, Ulti is scum.

But that does beg the question of who the F is the last scum in this scenario if there's 5.
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